AMD 55 倍的远期市盈率相对 Nvidia 约 18-19 倍明显偏高,在当前价位下,风险回报比更支持买入 Nvidia 而非加仓 AMD。
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今天我想更仔细地看看我最喜欢的两家公司,Nvidia 和 AMT。他来到这里说:“这样吧,我们聊聊 AMD 和 Nvidia,但你必须在这一集结束时选一个。在这些价位上你会买哪只?”
Today I want to take a closer look at two of my favorite companies, Nvidia and AMT. He came in here and said, "You know what? Let's talk about AMD and Nvidia, but you have to choose one at the end of the episode. Who would you buy at these prices?
我们会聊 Nvidia 对 AMD。不久的将来可能还会聊 Nvidia 对 Broadcom。我确实知道 Nvidia 是你的最爱,虽然你也持有 AMD,而我现在,就在此刻,已经完全押注 AMD。还有几股 Nvidia。
we'll talk about Nvidia versus AMD. might even talk about Nvidia versus Broadcom in the near future. I do know that Nvidia is your your favorite although you do own AMD as well and I am now as of right now fully in AMD. Couple of shares of Nvidia.
高双位数增长,这是我们从 AMD 那里听了相当一段时间的东西。我们预计会以高双位数增长。我们其实并不清楚那意味着什么,
The high double digit growth, which is something we've we've heard from AMD for quite a while. We expected to grow at high double digits. We don't really know what that means,
我们看到其他玩家这么做,但没有人是全部自己单干的。他们要么得找合作伙伴。我们看到 AMD 算是和 Cerebras 建立了合作。
We see other players do that but no one is doing it all themselves right there. They either have to find partners. We saw AMD kind of do partnerships with Cerebras.
我认为 Nvidia 谈到过每吉瓦 400 亿美元的潜在销售额,而另外两家分享过数据的竞争对手,我认为是 AMD 和 Broadcom,他们只告诉我们十几或双位数,对吧,他们不给完整数字,只有 Nvidia 一家给出这个数字,我怀疑他们是不是只是不敢告诉我们实际数字是多少,因为 Nvidia 投入了太多,我认为这在很大程度上与创新有关。
I think Nvidia has talked about 40 billion of of potential sales per gigawatt where the other two competitors that have shared which I think have been AMD and Brocom they just tell us teens or double digits right they don't give us a full number is the only one giving it and I wonder if they're just scared to tell us why the the actual number because Nvidia is just baking so much and I think that has to go a lot with innovation.
如果我是银行,你告诉我:“嘿,你看,我要用你给我的这笔钱来买这个 GPU,这是这类 GPU 过去 8 年一直运行在 A100 上等等的数据,而且仍然维持了价格,或者这是一个新玩家 Broadcom 的 ASIC,或者 AMD 搭载 MI450 的完整 Rexdale 系统。
数据集不够。我会说,如果你想要更好的利率,你就去买 Nvidia 的 GPU。”
If I was a bank and you told me, "Hey, look, I'm going to use this money that you're going to give me to have this GPU and here's the data that this type of GPU can be for the past 8 years has been running on A100s and all this and has still maintained price or here's a new player Broadcom with an ASIC or AMD with the full Rexdale system now with the MI450.
There's not enough data set. I would say if you want the better rate, you're going to buy Nvidia GPUs.
所以这未必是其他公司的看空点,但问题是他们没有数据,对吧?AMD 大约两三年前才推出 MI300。在那之前他们真的没有什么东西能够展示数据。
So it it's not necessarily a bearish point for the other companies like but it's they don't have the data, right? AMD really came out with the MI300 just like 2 3 years ago. They don't have really anything much before that to really be able to showcase data.
这家公司有什么值得看好的?我是说,AMD 在录制时我认为现在价值约 8 万亿美元,这太疯狂了,因为我记得我开始覆盖 AMD 时,投资 AMD 股票大约在 100 美元。所以就估值而言,远低于我们现在的位置。
What's what's to be bullish about this company? I mean AMD at the time of recording I think is worth around $8 trillion right now which is insane because I remember when I started covering AMD investing in AMD stock was at around $100.
So valuation wise way way lower than where we're at right now.
它一直是个笑柄,因为人们总说:既然能买 Nvidia,为什么要买 AMD。当时的情况其实相当简单。这并非同类可比,但就像在超级周期的极早期买入 Nvidia。而这正是我们在 AMD 身上看到的结果。
It was always a laughing stock because of why buy AMD when you can buy Nvidia. And back then the story was quite simple actually. It's not an apples to apples comparison but it was like buying Nvidia super early on in this super cycle.
And that's exactly what we've seen happen with AMD.
尽管 Nvidia 就是 Nvidia,那里的增速依然令人惊叹,但我们看到 AMD 持续增长得越来越快,拿下了整体营收中的一大块。
Although Nvidia being Nvidia, the growth rates there are are still mind-blowing but we have seen AMD consistently grow faster and faster take the large chunk of the overall revenue.
游戏业务受到了冲击,但这是整个行业的现象;嵌入式业务终于再次起飞,这对他们来说是一项高利润率业务;而客户端、CPU 这块、服务器 CPU,所有这些也突然开始加速。所以对 AMD 来说,这里的结构、这里的顺风对他们而言非常惊人。
Gaming has taken a hit but that's across across the industry embedded finally finally is taking is taking off again which is a high margin business for them but then also clients the CPU side of things server CPUs all of that also started to accelerate out of nowhere so for AMD the mix here the tailwinds have been have been incredible for them
是的,对非 Nvidia 解决方案的需求巨大,所以 AMD 推出了 MI300 系列,它仍然远远落后于 Nvidia 所提供的产品,尤其是在软件方面,但情况正朝着正确的方向发展。
随后他们宣布了 MI400 系列,而这实际上正在发生,放量很可能在今年晚些时候,那才是他们真正开始放量的时候,那是一款真正有竞争力的产品。是的,但营收增长预计将从这里加速,盈利能力预计将从这里改善。
看 AMD 的自由现金流,预计在未来几个季度、未来几年也会大幅增长。
yes there is huge demand for let's say non maybe non-Nvidia solutions so AMD came out with MI300 series which was still way behind what Nvidia was offering especially also on the software side of things but again things were moving in the right direction then they announced the MI400 series and that's that's happening actually right now the ramp up is going to happen probably later this year is really when they're going to start to to ramp up and that's a real competitive product that yes but the revenue growth is expected to accelerate from here profitability is expected to get better from here when you look at free cash flow for AMD that's also expected to increase significant ificantly over over the next couple of quarters over the next couple of years.
他们自己把总可寻址市场扩大了 3 倍,用了大约 12 个月,也许不到 12 个月。他们预计每股收益将超过 20 美元。现在是 26 年末。所以在未来两到四年左右,他们说的是超过,而且他们完全有望做到。
所以,我猜到 2028 年左右,可能会更接近每股 25 美元。
They themselves have increased their total addressable market by 3x over a span of what 12 months or so maybe less than less than 12 months they're expecting to generate over $20 of earnings per share.
Now we're in at the end of 26. So over the next two to four years or so and they say exceeding and they're well on track to do that. So, I would assume it's going to be maybe even closer to $25 per share by maybe 2028 or so.
所以,对 AMD 来说这是完美的风暴,尤其是现在 CPU 受到的关注比一两年前多得多,因为 Agentic AI,而他们处于完美的位置,可以拿下这一总可寻址市场的一部分。
And so, perfect storm for AMD, especially now that CPUs are getting a hell of a lot more attention than maybe a year or two ago because of Agentic AI, and they're perfectly positioned to capture a a chunk of that total addressable market.
所以,对 AMD 来说,过去一年、一年半左右确实是一波完美的浪潮,他们一直在乘浪而行,老实说,这似乎不会很快停止。那么问题就变成了:其中有多少已经被计入价格。
So, with AMD, it's really has been over the past year, year and a half or so a a perfect wave that they have been riding and honestly it doesn't seem like it's stopping anytime soon.
The question then becomes how much of it is priced in.
你提到的一点是,这是一只股票,如果你一直是投资者,哪怕只是过去 5 年一直在听,他们谈论 AI 的演进,ChatGPT 时他们在做什么,这就是我热爱投资的原因,也是为什么我投资组合里的钱是我不需要很快用到的钱,而 AMD 在 2023 年就告诉你他们在打造什么,MI300、MI350、MI400,他们将要醒来进入这个市场。
one thing that you mentioned right this is a stock that I mean if you've been an investor you've been listening even the past 5 years them talking about the evolution of AI when chat GPT what they were working with and this is why I lo I love investing and it's why like the money in the portfolio that I have is money I don't need anytime soon and AMD was telling you right 2023 what they were building the MI300 the MI350 the MI400 that they were going to wake up into this market
对吧?就像,哦,两年 4%。但随后就像公司告诉你,最终市场醒来,看到这一切正在发生。然后你看,很大一部分涨幅主要来自过去 6 个月,过去 6 个月。但公司已经一遍又一遍又一遍地告诉过你。
Right? It's like, oh, 4% in 2 years. But then it's like the company tells you and eventually the market wakes up and sees that all happening. And then see, a good portion of the gain is coming mainly for like the past 6 months, the past 6 months.
But the company has told you this over and over and over again.
现在,AMD 今天早些时候也发布了,Neil,他们分享了打造 AMD Helios 的幕后过程。所以这就是你之前讨论的那款大产品,预计将发布,预计现在在 9 月底出货,我记得这是他们上次财报时提到的,能看到这段视频,我相信它很好地表明生产和出货一切进展顺利。
Now, AMD also posted earlier today, Neil, that they are sharing a behind the scenes of building the AMD Helios. So this is the big product that you were discussing that's expected to be released expected to be shipping now at the end of September I believe is what they mentioned their last earnings to be able to see this video I believe it gives a great indication that everything is moving good with the production and the shipments of them
营收预计将增长,尤其是在 12 月、12 月季度,因为那时 Halos 才真正开始。我个人认为市场低估了增长,我认为实际上会高得多,因为他们有大型合作伙伴,对吧?他们与 OpenAI、Anthropic 以及 Meta Platforms 都有合作,所有这些参与者在其 AI 创新中都看到了巨大的需求,我认为他们将需要大量大量的算力。
所以,只要他们能够与他们拥有的供应链参与者良好合作,我认为这些数字将完全跑赢市场。
revenue is expected to grow especially especially in December the December quarter as that's when Halos really starts to begin I personally believe the market is underestimating the growth I think it's actually going to be much higher because they have big partners, right?
We have they have partnerships with OpenAI, with Anthropic, and with Meta Platforms and all those players are seeing a massive demand in their AI innovations and I think they're going to need a lot and a lot of compute.
So, as long as they're able to work really good with the supply chain players that they have, I think these numbers are going to completely outperform the market.
现在,Neil,我想你提到了 AMD 的很多增长机会。如果我想提一个我认为真正令人印象深刻的,那就是他们的技术。AMD 在 Chiplet 创新方面极其强大,对吧?Chiplet 创新是他们的长项之一。
他们实际上与 TSMC 合作开发了我们目前拥有的很多工具,其他竞争对手也在使用这些工具。
Now, Neil, I think you mentioned a lot of the growth opportunities for AMD. If I want to mention one that I think is really impressive, it's with their technology. AMD is extremely strong with Chiplet Innovation, right?
Chiplet Innovation is one of their long suits. They've actually developed a lot of the tools in partnership with TSMC that we have right now that other competitors are using.
而那个 chiplet 继续增长,因为与 Meta,对吧,与 Meta,他们卖给他们 MI450,但那是 MI450 的一个变体。Meta 说:嘿,看,我其实想这样这样走。所以,就像他们把 ASIC 和 GPU 混合在一起。
我认为这是一个巨大的机会,其他参与者做不到,对吧?没有多少参与者能做到。他们正在成为 Broadcom 和 Nvidia 之间的那个中间人。
And that chiplet continues to grow cuz with Meta, right, with Meta, they are selling them the MI450, but it's a variant of the MI450. Meta said, "Hey, look, I actually wanted to go this and this way."
So, it's like they're mixing a mixture of ASIC and GPU together. And I think that's a massive opportunity that not other players can do, right? Not many players can do. They're becoming that middle person between Broadcom and Nvidia.
这将继续下去。而对他们来说,拥有这种 chiplet 技术和架构、他们设计这些芯片的方式,使他们能够与其他参与者这样做。Anthropic 我想会说:嘿,你为 Meta 做了这个。
让我们实际想想一个 MI4500 的变体,可能对我极其有利。OpenAI 也许我们会做同样的事,一个对我极其有效的 MI500 版本。
That's going to continue. And for them having this chiplet technology and architecture, the way they design these chips, it allows them to be able to do that with other players.
Enthropic is I'm I think going to look, hey, you did this for Meta. Let's actually think of a variant of maybe the MI4 500 that might be extremely good for me. OpenAI maybe we'll do the same thing a version of the MI500 that works for me extremely well.
所以,是的,我相当兴奋,而 Lisa Su 就是个 GOAT。我的意思是,我认为她是个杀手。但如果有一个我认为市场忘记了的看涨机会,那就是他们在 chiplet 上的创新,我认为这在当前生态系统中大有可为。
So, so yeah, I'm pretty excited and Lisa Sue is just a goat. I mean, I think she's she's a killer. But I I if there was one bullish opportunity that I think the market forgets is just the innovation that they have with the chiplet and I think that goes a long way in the current ecosystem.
让我们进入你现在看 AMD 时正在考虑的一些风险。
Let's jump into some of the risk you you are considering when when you look at AMD right now.
我认为我们在这里已经涵盖了看涨的部分,我认为就像你说的,他们算是混合型参与者这一事实肯定能帮到他们,因为我们已经看到了 Broadcom 所预期的增长。所以这肯定对 AMD 是个好兆头。
I think we covered the the bullish parts here and I think like like you said the fact that they are sort of a hybrid player could definitely help them because we have seen the growth that that Broadcom is expecting. So it it definitely bodess well for AMD.
现在,看涨的一部分也许会变成一小部分看跌,那就是如果他们需要超高速增长来证明估值的合理性,他们需要确保供应链允许这一点。现在,我们知道他们一直在努力释放更多供应,但有时事情就是不在他们掌控之中,对吧?
我们知道增长正在到来,但你能尽快确认多少增长,这又会给你未来更多增长空间,对吧?我们知道 MI400 系列将会放量,而且 CPU 的需求也大得惊人,但为了确认数百亿美元的营收,供应必须到位。
你应该能够尽可能多地销售。但我们在很多这类公司身上看到的是,他们总是在追赶。他们总是在追赶。
Now, part of the bullish that that turns maybe into a small bearish part is if they need to grow super fast to justify the valuation, they need to make sure that the supply chain allows it.
Now, we know that they've been working to unlock more supply, but sometimes things are just out of their hands, right? We know the growth is coming, but how much of that growth can you recognize as soon as possible, which would then give you more room to grow in the future, right?
We know that the MI400 series is going to ramp up, but and there is an insane amount of demand for CPUs as well, but in order to recognize tens of billions of dollars in revenue, the supply needs to be there.
You should be able to try and sell as much as possible. But what we've seen with a lot of these companies is that they're always trying to catch up. They're always trying to catch up.
我认为 AMD 肯定正在朝着那个方向前进。我也同意你的看法。我认为他们会超出预期。问题在于超出多少?因为目前我们看到的是一只市盈率为 55 倍的股票,相比之下 Nvidia 更接近你说的 18、19 倍。
I think AMD is definitely getting there. I'm also I agree with you. I think they will beat the expectations. The question is by how much? Cuz right now we are looking at a stock that is trading at a 4p of 55 times compared to an Nvidia which is closer to what did you say 18 19 times.
但仍然,我们知道远期预期是分析师截至今天的看法。两个月之后,这可能会完全改变,突然之间我们可能看到 40 倍的远期市盈率,谁知道呢,对吧。所以对 AMD 来说,更多不是关于执行力,尽管执行力在这里很关键,更多是关于你支付的价格。
我想很多已经反映在价格里了,但如果他们能带来惊喜,像我们两三年前在 Nvidia 身上看到的那样,当时他们几乎每一次都超出华尔街预期 10%、15%、20% 左右,我认为这东西可以在可预见的未来继续上涨。
But still we know that forward expectations are what analysts think about it as of today. two months down the line that can completely change and suddenly we might be looking at a forward P of 40 times who knows right so it's more with AMD it's less about execution although execution here is key it's more about the the price that you're paying I guess a lot of it is baked in but if they can surprise and come out with really like we see with Nvidia 2 three years ago when they literally beat Wall Street by by 10 15 20% or so every single time I think this thing can can continue to run for for the foreseeable future.
是的。是的,我同意。Neil,我认为如果 AMD 存在一个大的看空理由,对我来说那只会是估值下调,对吧?很多人可能会说,如果我们开始看到更多玩家走 SpaceX 的路线,也就是独家采用 Nvidia,会怎么样。
我不认为会有很多玩家这么做。我确实认为他们喜欢这种可选性,对吧?我认为可选性对他们非常重要,因为你不希望被锁定在一个拥有电力数据中心权力的供应商身上。
Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Neil, I think if if there was a big bearish case for AMD, to me it would be just devaluation, right? I many people might say what happens if we start to see maybe more players do the SpaceX route where they go exclusive Nvidia.
I don't think many players are going to do that. I do think they like the the optionality, right? I think the optionality is very important for them cuz you don't want to be locked into a vendor with the power data center.
他们,呃,AMD 正在锁定电力。我忘了他们在和哪家公司合作,但他们已经锁定了大约 500 兆瓦,而且他们有可能在进一步扩大后扩展到 2 吉瓦。他们正在供应链中推进。
They the uh uh AMD is locking in power. I forget what company they're working with, but they've locked in like 500 megawws and they're potentially the they have the opportunity to expand to 2 gawatt once that builds up even further. They're moving in the supply chain.
对。对我来说,最大的看空理由会是估值,而估值正是你提到的,伴随估值而来的预期,因为这些预期会失控。
Right. To me, the biggest bearish case would be the valuation and with valuation is exactly what you mentioned, expectations that come with the valuation because those come out of hand.
但第二件事是,媒体围绕 MI Helios 机架展开报道,这将是他们第一次拥有机架级解决方案。我不,我认为存在机会和可能性,我们可能会看到一些报道说 Helios 机架过热,或者 Helios 机架难以安装。
Helios 机架存在一些问题,可能会给该股带来负面情绪。
But the second thing is media running with the MI Helios rack is going to be the first time they have a rack scale solution. I don't I think there's the opportunity and possibility that we might see some reports Helios rack is overheating but Helios rack is difficult to install.
There were some issues with the Helios rack that could create a negative sentiment towards the stock.
我对此并不看空,因为我相信他们能够解决。他们有一个很棒的团队。我只是更担心波动性以及市场对此可能做出的反应。所以,如果我看到类似的情况,而市场在一段时间内完全对 AMT 翻脸,我不会感到意外。
I'm not bearish on that because I believe they're going to be able to figure out. They have a great team. I'm just more a risk of the volatility and the way the market can react to that.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if I saw something like that and the market completely flips on AMT for a little while.
顺便说一下,那家公司是 Corientic。买 Nvidia 会比买 AMD 让我感觉更安全。尽管我在 AMD 有大量持仓,我同意,如果我今天要买这两只中的一只,我会选 Nvidia,纯粹是因为,是的,增长潜力。
不过,你现在得到的估值,在我看来是荒谬的,这就是我会选它的原因。
Corientic was the company by the way. I would feel safer buying Nvidia than AMD. Despite my large position in AMD, I would agree that if I were to buy one of the two today, I would pick Nvidia purely because of yes, the growth potential.
Still, the valuation, the valuation that you're getting right now is in my opinion ridiculous and that's why I would pick it.
这并不意味着我们认为 AMD 会表现糟糕。只是如果看截至今天的风险回报,如果我们一股都没有,我现在倾向于 Nvidia。
That doesn't mean that we think that AMD will do badly. Just if we look at riskreward as of today, if we had zero is zero shares, I tend to lean towards an Nvidia right now.
是的。而且我认为这是一个重要的点,Neil,关于风险回报,因为可能曾经有过很好的机会,我很确定如果你翻回我们的频道,可能有几次 AMD 的远期市盈率大约在 22、20 倍左右,当时我们说的是相反的方向。
Yeah. And and I think that's an important point, right, Neil, about the risk-to-reward because there's probably been great opportunities, and I'm pretty sure if you go back to our channels, there's probably times when AMD had this forward PE ratio of roughly 22, 20, whatever, where we mentioned the other way.
风险回报是我们看待投资的一个非常重要的部分。这并不意味着一个比另一个更好。这并不意味着我们认为 AMD 不能涨得更高。AMD 仍然可能比现在更高。但如果我们要把新资金投入我们的投资组合,我们现在会把钱放在哪里感觉更安全?看起来我们俩都认为是 Nvidia。
And risk-to-reward is a really important portion of how we look at our investments. It doesn't mean that one is better than the other. It doesn't mean that we don't think AMD could go higher.
AMD could still go higher than here. But if we were to put new money into our portfolio, where will we feel safer with that money right now? And it seems we both do with Nvidia.
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