说话者回避AppLovin,因为对其业务理解不足,尽管承认其有潜在上行空间。
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AppLovin 的股价今年下跌了一半,而同期收入增长了超过 50%,自由现金流继续以非常高的速度增长。换句话说,问题似乎不在于公司的业绩,而在于股价的表现。这通常是我们寻找的理想情况。
AppLovin's stock has declined Halfway this year, While revenues grew During the same period, more From 50%, and the flow continued Free cash in growth At a very high rate. In other words, it seems that The problem is not in performance The company, but in performance The arrow. This is usually The ideal situation that We are looking for him.
我确实是这样,但这家公司有一些方面让我犹豫,尽管增长很高且价格便宜。
I am indeed like that, but There are some aspects in This company that It makes me hesitate, out of spite Regardless of growth High and price Cheap.
最初吸引我的是这家公司在雅虎财经的名单上排名第一,该名单列出交易价格接近 52 周最低水平的公司。尽管AppLovin继续以惊人的速度增长,收入显著上升,年增长率超过50%。与此同时,其资本效率指标持续改善,营业收入也在提升。
what This initially attracted me The company is that it was Ranked first on Yahoo Finance list of companies Which trade at prices Near the lowest Its levels during 52 A week. While AppLovin continues to Growth at astonishing rates. Revenues are rising marked. It just increased By more than 50% On an annual basis. All of that It happens while it continues Capital efficiency figures In improvement alongside Operating income.
主要区别在于,AppLovin更专注于移动应用内的展示广告。有一个相似之处是明显且显而易见的,那就是这两只股票今年都因对人工智能影响的担忧而受到严重损害。
With the difference The main point is that AppLovin Focus more on presentation Ads inside Mobile applications, There is a similarity One is blatant and obvious Exactly, which is that both The two stocks were severely damaged This year because Concerns about the impact artificial intelligence.
但今天我想知道的是,人工智能是否对商业模式构成真正的威胁,以及这家公司是否具备足够的质量,值得在核心价值投资组合中占有一席之地。
But what I want to know Today's topic is "Apple 11". If intelligence Artificial forms a real threat For the business model, and whether This company enjoyed With sufficient quality To deserve a place in Value wallet Essential.
现在,为了让您了解AppLovin的规模,其促销广告支出总额超过了Pinterest、Snapchat和Reddit的收入总和。
Now, just to give you an idea Regarding the size of "Ab Lovren", Their spending on Promotional advertisements The total exceeds Pinterest revenue Snapchat and Reddit Together.
实际上,广告支出在AppLovin上对广告商来说具有巨大价值,否则他们为什么会在那里?他们本可以去别的地方。AppLovin特别希望成为帮助他们在轻度移动游戏领域实现这一目标的方式。
想想像Candy Crush、Solitaire或Mahjong这样的游戏。但现在,AppLovin正试图向游戏以外的其他市场多元化发展。
In reality, The spending has achieved Advertising on "Ab" Lovén is of immense value For advertisers, otherwise why? They were there simply. They would have been in somewhere else. And "Ab Lovne" wanted Specifically, to be The way to help them To achieve that with Very strong focus on Mobile games Light. Think about games Like Candy Crush, or Solitaire, or Mahjong. But now, "Ab" is trying Lovren's diversification in Other markets outside the scope Games too.
因此,AppLovin提供的两个基本产品将发行商和广告商联系在一起。AppLovin作为双方之间的中介,旨在从广告商的角度提高广告支出的效率,向发行商提交尽可能高的报价,以换取其手机游戏中的广告空间。
因此,AppLovin恰好处于中间位置,并从广告商支出与发行商要求之间的差额中获利,以实现这些广告商的具体结果。
So, the two products The two basic ones Presented by "Ab Lovne" They bring together publishers And the advertisers. AppLovin works As an intermediary between the two parties, With the aim of increasing efficiency Advertising spending from From the advertisers' perspective, with Submitting the highest possible offer Publisher in exchange for space Advertising in its games on Mobile phone. Therefore, AppLovin is located in Exactly in the middle, And you profit from the difference between what What the advertiser spends and what The publisher needs to He sued him to achieve a result Specifically for these Advertisers.
实际上,该公司的创始人兼首席执行官Adam Forouqi有着成功的记录。他成功创办了两家其他广告科技公司,即LifeStreet Media和Social Hour。它们都是基于桌面电脑的公司,更专注于社交广告。
所以,如您所知,指标表明他可能在第三个项目中继续取得成功,特别是AppLovin,这本质上是一家广告科技公司。
actually. actually. Good The company's founder and president Executive, Adam Forouqi He has a proven track record With success. He launched Successfully, two technology companies Two other advertisements, These are LifeStreet Media and Social Hour. They were both Two companies based on computers The office, and they focused More on Social advertising . So, as you know, it was The indicators suggest that it may Success continues in His third project, Specifically with AppLovin, Which is essentially Technology company Advertising.
2011年,他推出了一款应用,帮助您找到您的朋友在手机上玩的游戏。例如,假设您有一个朋友玩Words With Friends游戏。该应用会建议您与真正的朋友一起玩Words With Friends。
因此,用Adam的话说,这个应用非常糟糕。然而,从该应用中获得的主要发现是推荐算法。当应用建议您玩一个游戏,以便您可能与这些朋友交流时,这种交流的响应率非常高,实际上。这正是导致AppLovin(一个推荐引擎)推出的核心。
In 2011, Launch an app that helps you Finding games The mobile phone that Your friends play it. on For example, let's assume You have a friend who plays Words With Friends game. He was The app suggests that Play Words With Friends with Your true friends. Therefore, the application, in words Adam was very bad . However, the discovery The main one who reached From that application It was in the algorithm This is the recommendation. That was When the app suggested A game to play until You might be able to communicate With these friends. The response rate This communication is high Very much so, actually. This It is the essence of what led to Launch of AppLovin, an engine Recommendations.
但故事并没有就此结束。事实上,在这一点上,即使他们找到了推荐引擎,他们确实开始专注于仅针对手机游戏的广告。因此,当时的原因很简单。2012年,手机游戏开发者真的在试图找出如何将他们的游戏转变为盈利引擎。
而广告是容易且可及的盈利方式,我至今仍这么认为。因此,专注于仅将推荐引擎用于应用开发者一方面,广告商另一方面。到2012年,他们正在寻找额外资金,Forouqi随后扫描了投资界,寻找能帮助公司融资的人,但他并不幸运,只获得了大约2500万美元的天使轮融资。
But the story doesn't end there. Indeed, at this point, Even when they found an engine Recommendations, they began Indeed, with advertisements They focused only on games Mobile phone. Therefore, The reason was then Simple. In 2012, Game developers mobile phone They are really trying to find out How to convert their games To a profit-driven engine. And it was Advertising is the profit Easy and accessible, and what I still think so today. So, focus on Using an engine Recommendations only with developers Applications on one hand And advertisers on the other hand . By 2012, they were They are looking for additional funding Furugi then scanned World of Capital Investment to find On someone who helps The company was financed, but it did not He was lucky and content. angel funding round Approximately $25 million.
是的,他提到了一些错误。事实上,直到2018年他都没有董事会,简单来说,管理层就是他自己,直到那时。他说错误主要与金融市场和资本积累有关。由于这种情况,如果你只看没有董事会的积极方面,你会发现他对工作有完全的控制权。
每一个决定都完全通过Adam。我认为这很可能是一个优势,因为这帮助他按照他认为合适的方式建立公司,而不需要依赖他人的意见。
Yes, he mentioned a few mistakes. In fact, it did not He has a board of directors Until 2018, which is Simply put, the council The administration was the same Only up to that point. He said the mistakes were It mostly relates In the financial markets and capital accumulation the money. Because of this The situation, if you only look To the sides The positive aspect of the absence of Board of Directors, you will find that He had complete control On to work. Every decision It passes exclusively through Adam. And I think this was A feature most likely because I helped him build the company The way he saw it Suitable and did not need To rely on opinions Others.
如果我们回顾AppLovin的历史,没有董事会还有另一个优缺点。如果我们看到2015年,业务增长极其迅速,这在当时是罕见的。这将是今天经常讨论的话题。公司即将达到约5000万美元的息税折旧摊销前利润(EBITDA)。
然后他们联系了一家当时的技术公司。他们对公司非常感兴趣,提出了约6亿美元现金的报价。最终,他拒绝了报价,希望获得接近10亿美元的估值。
If we looked at the company's history AppLovin, there was Advantages and disadvantages Another reason is the lack of that. The council. If we look Until 2015, the work It grows extremely fast once Others at that time. That will be a topic Frequently today. And it was The company is about to arrive To approximately 50 million Dollars as profit before Interest and taxes Depreciation and consumption ( EBITDA). Then she contacted They have a technology company with them in That time. They were Very interested in the company They made an offer of approximately $600 million in cash. In the end, he rejected the offer. Hoping to obtain An assessment closer to one billion dollar.
从这个起点来看,Adam的诗歌实际上,董事会或许对他有利;因为据信他们会迫使他接受6亿美元的报价。为了让您了解那个错误有多大,公司今天的估值略高于1000亿美元。而到2025年底,其价值将达到约2500亿美元。
From this The starting point, Adam's poetry Indeed, the council The administration perhaps was To his advantage; Because It is believed that they were They will pressure him to accept $600 million offer . To give you an idea of How huge was that mistake? The company is valued at Today, a little more About $100 billion. And in By the end of 2025, it arrived Its value is around 250 One billion dollars.
至于拥有管理委员会的一个优势,他举了一个例子,他说2016年有人提出将公司的多数股权出售给一群中国投资者,估值约为14亿美元。后来,事实证明买家部分归国家所有。所以,这件事需要监管机构的干预。
大约一年后,他们以国家安全为由阻止了这笔交易。所以他觉得如果那时有董事会,也许他会身边有更多熟悉这类交易的人,他们会建议他更早退出,而不是让这个问题拖了整整一年。
As for One of the advantages of having a council Management, he gave an example He said that in 2016 He was offered another sale majority share in that Working for a group Chinese investors For a rating of approximately 1.4 One billion dollars. Later, It turned out that the buyer was Partially owned company For the state. So, it's over. The matter requires intervention from the authorities. Organizational. They stopped The deal after about a year Based on concerns related National security. So He felt that if he had Board of Directors in that Time, perhaps, surrounded himself with more people Those familiar with these types Of the deals, and those They would advise him By withdrawing from it at a time Much earlier instead This issue has been dragged towards A whole year.
我认为如果我们从理论的角度简化管理委员会的目的,那就是制衡,不是吗?但董事会的存在并不能保证对首席执行官权力的有效监督。这就是关于如何构建公司治理、谁应该在董事会中以及所有那些事情的最复杂对话的开始。
但没有董事会,公司高层的决策波动性增加,首席执行官独自做出明智的决定,事后看来,但他也会犯下本可以避免的错误。
I think if we shorten The purpose of councils Management from the perspective The theory, therefore, is that Control and balance, Isn't that so? But the existence Board of Directors does not guarantee Indeed, there is censorship on The authority of the chief executive. And this is where the conversations begin. The most complicated thing about How to structure governance Companies, and who should He is in the council, and every Those things. But without Board of Directors, increasing Decision-making fluctuations At the company's top, and The CEO takes Brilliant decisions on his own When looking at it Later, but he will commit Also, mistakes that could Avoid it.
没错。关于这项工作如何达到今天的状态有很多故事,但我认为理解AppLovin的最好方法是简单地将其分解为各个部分,这些部分是通过收购或内部开发获得的,随着时间的推移。所以,如果你不了解广告领域,可能会有点困惑,难以理解AppLovin是如何运作的。
本质上,AppLovin是一家由四个不同部门组成的公司。但需要注意的是,尽管AppLovin拥有这四个部门,但它在财务报表中将其作为一个整体处理。所以,如果你在寻找每个部门的财务细节,你不会找到。
exactly. There are many From stories about how This work has reached what That's how it is today, but I think the best way Understanding "AppLovin" is simply Disassemble it into its parts, Which was acquired On it or developing it Internally, over time. So, if you don't understand In the field of advertising, it has lost It can be a little confusing Understanding how "AppLovin" works. In essence, a company consists of "AppLovin" is a four-sector company Different. It should be noted However, despite AppLovin owns this The four sectors, However, she deals with it All as one unit Within its financial statements. So, if you are looking for Financial details for each sector You won't find it.
首先,他是 AppLovin 的广告经理。这是一个获客解决方案,帮助像 Athletic Greens 这样的广告主付费吸引新客户。最近它从 Axon Ads Manager 更名而来,所以在本期节目中我会交替使用这两个名称。
First sector He is the advertising manager for "AppLovin". . This is an attraction solution Their users Or what is known as UA. Helps These advertisers, such as Brand name "Athletic" Greens," on paying to attract New customers. Changed Brand This is why recently from Axon Ads Manager, so I will use The two names interchangeably Throughout this episode.
第二重要的是名为 Max 的业务。这部分涉及发布商侧。它帮助发布商为其广告位争取到最高的出价。如果你玩像 Candy 这样的游戏,在里面看到广告,很可能是 Max 与发布商合作,专门为你展示那条广告。
if The second most Importance of this work It's called Max. This section pertains Publisher's side. He is Publishers are helped in Get the highest price To bid on Their advertising spaces. If you play a game like Candy I saw an ad. Inside it, it is likely Max works with publishers To view that ad Specifically for you.
第三,我们有 Adjust,这是一个测量和分析工具,为营销人员提供数据以改进其应用营销。
Number three We have Adjust, which is a tool Measurement and analysis help In providing data For marketers to improve Marketing their apps.
第四,我们有 Wurl,它是一个联网电视平台,帮助内容公司分发直播内容以吸引观众并实现收入增长。这就是我之前提到的 The Trade Desk 所在的领域,Sean 之前也提到过。
AppLovin 也有自己的应用,但他们最终卖掉了这些应用。我们今天会简要讨论 Adjust 和 Wurl,但考虑到 AppLovin 最重要的两个部分无疑是 Axon Ads Manager 和 Max。
Fourth, we have Wurl, It is a connected television platform Live broadcast distribution Content companies to attract Viewers and glorification Revenues. This was The field I talked about The Trade Desk, which he mentioned Sean, formerly. He had AppLovin also works It has its own applications. But they ended up selling it. And get rid of them. We will discuss Today, briefly, to Adjust And Wurl, but put in Considering that the two most important parts In this work they AppLovin Ads Manager is definitely And Max.
假设你是一个像 Wayfair 这样的知名品牌。你有广告预算,并且知道需要了解这项投资的回报类型。自然地,你希望获得的收入超过你在广告上的支出。因此,Axon Ads Manager 通过构建我之前提到的预测算法,基本上帮助广告主优化他们的支出。
假设你在 Wayfair 从事营销工作。你想使用 Axon Ads Manager 来确定你从广告目标中期望的回报类型。一个好的衡量指标是广告支出回报率(ROAS)。它基本上意味着你获得的总收入占广告支出的百分比。
假设你花了 100 美元在广告上,获得了约 500 美元的总收入,那么你的广告投资回报率就是 500%。还有许多其他指标,但我不想让你负担过重,但你知道,还有下载量、点击量、展示次数或操作等。
但归根结底,广告主只想从他们的广告中获得实际收入。
Let's imagine you're a sign well-known brands such as Wayfair. You have a budget Advertising and you know that Need to get a type What is the return on this? Investment. naturally, You want to achieve More revenue than You spend it on advertising. Therefore, Axon Ads Manager By building this algorithm The prediction that spoke About her a little while ago. This It helps their advertisers To improve their spending Basically. Let's assume You work in the field of Marketing for Wayfair. You want to use Axon Ads Manager to determine type The return you want from Your advertising objectives. A good measure of this is what It is called the return on Advertising spending or ROAS. It basically means Total amount revenues that You receive it as a percentage From your advertising spending. Let's assume you spent 100 Dollar on Ads I received about 500 Dollars as a total Revenues, then it will be Return on investment Your advertising is worth 500%. There are many Other measures, But I don't want to burden We are burdened by it, but you know, There are things like Downloads, clicks, And the times of appearance, or procedures. But in The bottom line is, advertisers They just want to achieve Real revenues from Their advertisements.
另外值得一提的是,AppLovin 披露,其收入中较大的一部分来自 Axon Ads Manager 上的广告支出所收取的费用。实际上,他们不披露该部门甚至其他部门的细节。
Something else It is worth mentioning that AppLovin discloses that the part Larger than revenues The fees collected come advertising spending On Axon Ads Manager. in In reality, they don't disclose About the fine details For this sector or even Other sectors.
因此,Axon 将帮助他们设定目标。事实上,Axon 的价格是动态的。因此,没有固定费用。成本与 Axon 帮助广告主找到的用户价值直接成正比。Axon 将帮助他们通过更多数据流校准模型。
这反过来有助于提高向广告投资回报率目标的转化率。最后,Axon 还拥有非常深入的报告能力,它可以向你解释诸如某个特定群体实现的终身价值,而不仅仅是看到特定广告的人数。
Therefore, Axon will help them in Setting goals. The fact is that "Axon" has a price tag dynamic. Therefore, no There are fixed fees. The cost is proportional Directly with value Users who Axon helps advertisers in Find them. Axon will help them return Model calibration with More flow Data. This helps In turn, increasing the rate Transformation towards a goal Return on investment Advertising. Finally, Axon also possesses capabilities Very in-depth reports, She can explain to you Things like value The permanent one that it achieved A specific group instead of Just the number of people Those who saw an advertisement Specific.
所以,我的理解是,Axon Ads Manager 是所谓的需求方平台。这意味着他们与希望从发布商那里购买广告位的广告主合作,这就是“需求”一词的由来。
So, my understanding is that the manager Axon ads are what It is known as the side platform demand. This means that they They work with the signs The commercial that wishes Buying advertising space From the publishers, and from here The term "demand" came up.
因此,Axon 作为一个部门,试图专注于买方方面,但作为一家公司,AppLovin 代表双方。因此,如果有人非常了解 The Trade Desk,这将是一个有趣的比较点,关于它们之间的差异。
Therefore, Axon is trying as a sector Focus on the aspect The buyer, but as a company, AppLovin represents both Both sides. Therefore, If there is anyone Trade Desk knows this very well, This will be a point An interesting comparison Interest in how Their difference.
不要忘记,AppLovin 的服务不仅面向广告主,也面向发布商,这是这个等式的展示方面,他们出售广告位。
Do not submit AppLovin's services Not just for advertisers, but For publishers as well, it is The presentation aspect of this The equation, where they sell Their advertising spaces.
假设你发现了 AppLovin 的 MAX 服务,并决定尝试一下。基本上,它的工作方式如下:每次玩家在纸牌游戏中完成一个关卡,应用就会展示一个广告,而你会因为展示的广告获得财务回报。
这可以通过像 AppLovin 这样的广告公司,或通过 Google、Meta 或其他一些较小的公司来实现。
The service will discover MAX from AppLovin, and let's say you I decided to try it. in Basically, the method works As follows: each time The player finishes Level in the game Solitaire , For example, The app will display Announcing it, and you will get Solitaire game on In return for that, a financial payment The advertisement that was shown For its users. It can This is done through a company Ads like AppLovin, or via Google, Meta, or some smaller companies The other.
现在,所有这些公司都愿意付费让开发者在他们的区域内展示广告,但很明显,只有一个广告适合该位置。传统的确定赢家的方法称为“瀑布流”。这种方法是一个固定优先级的列表,而不是基于竞价系统。
这个方法是这样运作的:纸牌游戏根据历史平均值,按广告公司的顺序从上到下排列,谁支付更多谁就排在前面。例如,假设 Google 排第一,AppLovin 排第二,Meta 排第三。
现在假设广告位空出来了。纸牌游戏会先联系 Google,它通常支付更高的金额,并询问他们是否愿意以固定价格购买广告展示。现在,假设 Google 出于某种原因拒绝了报价。也许他们只是没有达到他们想要实现目标的价格。
然后纸牌游戏会联系下一家 AppLovin 公司。如果需求被转移,主要转移到列表中的下一家公司,依此类推,就像水从瀑布流下一样,这就是“瀑布流”名称的由来。因此,在固定顺序中同意的人将赢得那个广告位。
Now, all of these Companies are ready to pay For the developer to display ads In its area, but from It is clear that an announcement Only one is the one That would suit the place. The traditional way Old to determine The winner is called "The Waterfall" waterfall). This method It is a list Fixed priorities, not Based on a system Bidding. Here's how This method will work. The game of solitaire By order of companies Advertisements from the top Downwards based on Historical averages To whoever pays more. Let's assume For example, that Google in First place, AppLovin ranked Second, and Meta in Third place. now Let's assume that the area Advertising has become Vacant. The game will continue Solitaire then with Google, which usually pays Higher amounts, And she asks them if they They want to buy an appearance Advertising at a fixed price. Now, let's say Google, For whatever reason, I have refused the offer. Perhaps they didn't get Simply on the price that They want it to achieve Their goals. Then Solitaire will contact Apple App Lovin's company Next step. if, The demand is primarily transferred To the next company in The list and so on Like the flow of water from The waterfall, and that's where it came from. Named "The Waterfall". Therefore, Those who answer with approval In that fixed order He will win the advertising space that.
是的,这正是 AppLovin 的 Max 产品试图解决的问题类型。Max 的作用是,它将固定顺序方法改为实时拍卖。简单地说,每当纸牌游戏中有广告位可用时,Max 会要求所有公司同时对其出价。
出价最高者赢得该广告位。这超越了固定顺序和延迟。
Yes, that's exactly it. The type of problem he tried "Max" product from "Abb" Lovren solved it. What he does is... Max's point is that he changes Fixed sequence method To an auction in time The actual one. This means Simply put, whenever it is available Advertising space in a game Solitaire, Max will request From all companies Bidding Ads On it all at once. And from The highest bidder wins That area Advertising. This That goes beyond the arrangement Constants and delays,
很明显,正如你提到的,Sean,纸牌游戏确实花了一些钱。这个纸牌游戏的例子很好,因为它实际上是一个真实的案例研究。因为 Triple Dot 拥有纸牌游戏,它从瀑布流方法转向尝试 Max。
他们的数据显示,他们的每日常活跃用户平均收入通过整个游戏组合的 AB 测试上升了约 20%。
Which is clear, as You mentioned, Sean, it costs Solitaire, some money The truth. example This solitaire is good because In fact, a case study True. As it ended The order is from Triple. Dot," which owns the game Solitaire, by transforming from The waterfall method for experiencing " Max." And she showed Their data already shows Their average revenue per Daily active user It rose by approximately 20% AB tests via Their toy collection Entirely.
因此,正如你所知,对于开发者来说,即时广告收入的增加,20% 的数字并不是绝对的。特别是考虑到他们的用户数量。在分析这一收入增长时,我们发现它主要来自这两个方面。第一是减少丢失的展示次数,第二是提高每次展示的价格。
Therefore, as Learn, for the developer Increased revenue Instant ads A 20% figure is not a certainty. By God, definitely. Especially considering the number They have users. when Analyzing that increase in Revenues, we find that It came mainly from These two areas. Represents First in reducing Lost impressions, And the second is high Price per impression.
现在,在我看来,AppLovin 并不接近任何垄断状态,但我们稍后会讨论这一点。但是,让我们看看 AppLovin 的另外两个部门,我今天没有多讨论,它们是 Adjust 和 Wurl。
And now To me, it doesn't seem "Ab Lovén" is close by any A state of monopoly, But we will address that. Later. But, let's Let's take a look at the two sectors of " "The other fathers of Lovren" The two I did not discuss Many people today, and they are " Adjust" and "Whirl".
由 AppLovin 指定。收入依赖于 Wurl。
Specified by AppLovin. Revenues depend on Wurl
对于AppLovin,公司如何赚钱?其促进这些交易的确切收入是多少?我的意思是,我假设广告主愿意通过Axon平台支付给AppLovin的金额与出版商表示愿意接受来自他们那边的中标价之间存在差额。但是,关于此事是否有更多细节?
For AppLovin, How does the company make money? Its exact revenues from Facilitating these exchanges? I mean, I assume there are margin between the amount Which advertisers want He paid for it with AppLovin via Axon platform, and what he sees The publishers said that We are ready to accept it from The winning bid from On their side. But, is there More details About this matter?
是的,你说得完全正确。肖恩,AppLovin确实基于净额报告其收入,因此它被视为交易中的代理,而非主体,这意味着你在损益表中看到的收入实际上是支付给出版商的净额。
Yes, you are absolutely right. In this, Sean. It does AppLovin reporting Its revenues based on Pure, therefore it is considered Agent in the transaction And it is not authentic, which means The revenues that You can see it in the income statement. It is actually net what I paid it to the publishers.
这实际上是作为保留的最会计处理方式,但这也意味着我们无法直接注意到AppLovin在广告主和出版商之间实现的利润率。
this In fact, it is the treatment The most accounting As a reservation, but it means Also, we cannot Note this margin Which AppLovin achieves between Advertisers and publishers Directly.
这有点令人烦恼,因为知道这些数字会很好,但他们将其作为机密信息保留,所以你必须依赖你最好的估计。
This is a It's somewhat annoying because It would be good to know Those numbers, but they They keep it as information Confidentiality, so you must Relying on the best Your estimates.
我遇到的公众估计在30%到40%之间。这个估计基本上代表了广告主支付的金额与出版商收到的金额之间的差额。让我们假设广告主花费了100美元,出版商将获得其中的60美元,而AppLovin保留剩余的40美元。
Estimates The general public I encountered It was in the range of 30 to 40%. This estimate represents Basically, the difference between what The advertiser pays for it, and what happens It is the publisher's responsibility. Let's assume We used 100 Dollars spent by the advertiser, The publisher will then $60 of it While AppLovin retains The remaining $40.
我觉得AppLovin有趣的是,理论上它可以随着时间的推移获得比这个利润率更大的份额,而实际上不会对广告主或出版商施加压力。
What I find Interesting about AppLovin is that it can Theoretically, obtaining a part Larger than this margin Over time without pressure Actually, it's up to the advertisers Or the publishers.
所以,如果AppLovin能够继续改善双方之间的匹配,为双方提供最好的服务和结果,广告主将更愿意支付额外的金额。
So, if AppLovin was able to Continuing to improve Matching between the two sides The best service The results for both, Advertisers will be more In preparation for paying amounts Additional.
如果他们设法找到一个愿意支付每千次展示费用20美元而不是13美元的广告主,AppLovin将保留这部分差额的一部分。
And if they manage Finding an advertiser Ready to pay, to transfer Cost per thousand impressions $20 instead of $13 For dollars, AppLovin You will keep part of this the difference.
因此,这是一个增长的工作之轮。因此,最好的匹配创造更大的价值,使AppLovin能够获得更高的利润率或吸引更多的出版商和广告主,这给了他们更多的数据,并提高了他们执行这种匹配的能力。
And so, this is a wheel This growth the job. Therefore, The best match creates Greater value, allowing For AppLovin to get Higher profit margin or attraction More publishers And advertisers, and this It gives them more data. And improves their abilities to Perform this matching.
MAX每天在超过14万个应用中达到14.1亿活跃用户,在这里他们获得流动性。因为它依赖于统一的拍卖而不是瀑布流系统,每个投标者都有资格竞争每一次展示。赢家可能来自任何地方,不限于AppLovin一方。
MAX reaches 1.4 1 billion active users Daily across more than 140 A thousand applications, and here They obtain liquidity. Because it depends on an auction Unified instead of a system The waterfall, every bidder gets Eligible for a chance To compete for every appearance From these appearances. The winner can come From anywhere. No It is limited to one side only AppLovin.
很高兴看到AppLovin似乎很好地保护了自己免受Google所面临的潜在监管风险的影响。是的,我确实这么认为。我知道你不是严格监管审查主题公司的粉丝,肖恩。看来至少目前AppLovin处于极其安全的模式。
It's good to see that AppLovin It seems she protected herself Good from those risks potential regulatory Which was on Google Dealing with it. Yes, I really think so. And I know you're not a fan Subject companies Strict regulatory oversight Hey Shawn. It seems that on The least at the moment AppLovin is in safe mode Extremely.
但我认为AppLovin的真正优势在于Axon的广告管理器如何与MAX互动。Axon接受广告主的预算和创意材料,并确定合适的发布场所来放置它们。因为它具有访问MAX数据的结构特征,它获得一组非常丰富的数据来确定特定广告在MAX上的表现,与使用MAX之外的平台进行比较。
But I think The real advantage of AppLovin lies in how Axon's advertising manager reacted With MAX. Axon takes a budget The advertiser and his materials Creativity and define Suitable publishing venues To put it in. Because it It has this feature The structure represented in Accessing MAX data, She gets a set Very rich data To determine performance Specific ads on MAX Comparison using the platform Outside MAX.
正如我们在前面的例子中讨论的,MAX在给出版商提供最好的可能交易方面做得很好,这通常比许多替代方案更高。所以一切都归结为我刚才提到的那个轮子。如果AppLovin正确地做所有事情,广告主将更渴望继续为AppLovin付费以换取更多使用Axon,仅仅因为他们将获得的展示在AppLovin上比任何替代方案更有价值,因为转化率是最好的,而且好得多。
As we discussed In the previous example, MAX does a great job in Publishers are given the best A possible deal, which Often higher With many alternatives. So It all comes down to That wheel that I just mentioned it. If it AppLovin does it all Correctly, it will be Advertisers more than Desiring to continue Payment for AppLovin In exchange for more Using Axon, simply Because the appearances that They will get it, it will be More value on AppLovin Compared to any alternative, Because rates The conversion has the best By a lot.
是的,有道理。他们完全有能力在这里作为中介创造价值,因为我们看到中介参与许多双向行业,从我们之前提到的房地产开始,达到我们今天讨论的数字广告。
Yes, it makes sense. They are absolutely capable To create value as an intermediary Here, because we see mediators They participate in many two-way industries Starting with real estate As we mentioned earlier, Reaching the advertisements The digital we talk about About it today.
但我刚才所描述的广告主匹配,以及在我看来,发行商方面似乎也很容易复制,我这么说时也意识到这可能听起来过于简单。
But what I just described it as Advertiser matching And the publishers seem to me Also reproducible Easily, and I say that with My realization that it might seem To put it simply.
然而,是什么阻止了像谷歌或Meta这样的广告巨头介入并收购这个市场,并且做得比AppLovin更好呢?是的,如你所知,说实话,我认为这是理解AppLovin开始变得更加困难的一面,至少对于一个外行人来说是这样。
However, what prevents it? Advertising companies giants like Google or Meta from intervention And acquiring this The market and doing that Better than AppLovin? Yes, as you know, if I was honest, I think that This is the side that This is where understanding AppLovin begins It becomes more difficult, The least for a person gay.
所以,正如我刚才提到的,我认为从广告主和发行商使用AppLovin产品的角度来看,其产品看起来非常直接且合乎逻辑。
So, as I mentioned Just now, I think it's It seems very straightforward Looking at the offers AppLovin products, and Logical from each perspective From the advertiser and the publisher Using AppLovin products.
但是,如你所知,如果AppLovin能做到这一点,那么谷歌或Meta阻止Unity的只是重复策略,而为什么AppLovin没有获得比现在更大的市场份额呢?
But, as you know, if AppLovin could To do that, what Google or Meta prohibits Unity is just a repetition Strategy, and why AppLovin did not acquire A larger market share than Does she already have it?
不幸的是,AppLovin已经拥有许多来自广告方和发行方的竞争对手。例如,谷歌在双方都是竞争对手,那也是竞争。
Unfortunately, AppLovin already has a number From the competitors Ad sides And the publishers. For example For example, Google Competitor on both sides That competition too.
因此,鉴于谷歌和Meta等科技巨头的存在,它们在这个领域拥有非常强大的控制力,要在互联网广告领域获得优势确实非常困难。
So, it's really difficult Gaining an advantage in Advertising field via The internet, given the presence of Technology giants These are like Google and Meta, They have strong control Very much in this field.
这使得竞争对手很难建立起任何具有预期规模的地位,从而能够保护自己并抵御竞争,而AppLovin的市值已达到2500亿美元,这确实已经开始。在达到这个规模时,它们的专业化可能对某些科技巨头的经济产生影响。
This makes it difficult for competitors create any A type of status with The intended size that They can protect it and repel The competition for it, with Market value reached For AppLovin, up to 250 One billion dollars at a stage Yes, it has certainly begun. In reaching this The size that may be Their specialization has an impact on The economics of some of these Tech giants.
是的,我的意思是这完全正确。即使我们暂时忽略大型科技巨头,我们也必须考虑到还存在较小的竞争对手,它们成功为自己夺取了不错的份额,而且它们并不会消失。
Yes, I mean that's true completely. Even if We ignored giants Big technology For a moment, we must take in Consideration also includes the presence smaller competitors They managed to seize a share Good for themselves, and they They are not on their way To disappear.
而且我认为这一定有原因,不是吗?也就是说,一定有原因。最终,如果像AppLovin这样的公司不好,为什么它能够将收入翻倍,增长率约为40%,并在此基础上受益于运营杠杆。
And I think that There must be a reason for that. Isn't that right? namely, There must be a reason. In The end, if it was a company Like AppLovin is bad, why She was able to double Its revenues as a percentage Approximately 40% with the benefit From the operational lever On top of that.
那么,是什么让AppLovin脱颖而出,并在一定程度上使其成为可持续的交易,伴随着快速增长和扩张,以及其产生利润和现金流的能力呢?
So, what AppLovin stands out and makes it Sustainable trade to a certain extent What with rapid growth and expansion In its ability to generate Margins plus cash flow ?
我认为要回答这个问题,我们首先需要理解AppLovin在理解客户方面做得非常出色,我认为这是其竞争力的关键,也是它现在所拥有的。
I think to answer Therefore, we first need to He understood that AppLovin had done Excellent at understanding its customers, That's what I think The key to its features competitiveness that You own it now.
我之前提到过,AppLovin拥有多家游戏公司,但最终卖掉了它们。嗯,我这样做不仅仅是因为他们想进入游戏行业。Frogy曾表示他根本不喜欢游戏。
I mentioned Previously, AppLovin was She owns a number of companies Games that I sold in the end. Well, I didn't This is done simply because they want it In entering the gaming industry. Frogy stated that He doesn't like games at all.
是的,我也在想这个问题。我的意思是,他们拥有工作室然后又卖掉这些游戏,这对我来说似乎很奇怪。而且这似乎不是AppLovin的基本原则,但我认为他们最初购买这些游戏背后有一个很好的背景故事。
Yes, I was wondering about This matter. I mean, it seems It's strange to me that they Own studios Then they sold these games. And that did not appear to be a principle Essential for AppLovin, But I think there's a story Good background behind the reason Their purchase of it in the first place the first.
是的,这当然有很好的理由。他们最终购买这些工作室,是因为在AppLovin早期,他们基本上需要从发行商那里收集数据。
Yes, there certainly is A good reason for that. I have They ended up buying These studios Because they are in the days of AppLovin First, they needed Basically to collect Data from their publishers.
当AppLovin是一家新兴公司时,他们当然无法访问像Meta这样的公司通过其特殊使用的“像素”所拥有的数据,像素是一个关于嵌入式软件组件的术语,广告主用它来生成分析。
When AppLovin was a company Emerging, they did not have Of course, it's possible Accessing data Owned by a company like "Meta" through Its special use of " "pixels" is a term About an embedded software component It is used by advertisers To generate analyses.
虽然这对广告主和Meta.com来说很棒,但对于像AppLovin这样的公司来说,它并没有提供太多,因为很明显,AppLovin无法直接访问这些数据以供其客户使用。
Although this is wonderful For advertisers and Meta.com However, it does not offer A lot for a company like "Abu" AppLovin, which is from It is clear that she does not have Direct access to That data For use with Its clients.
因此,他们没有关闭商店,而是决定购买工作室,以创建自己关于所控制游戏的专属数据。这将帮助他们实时查看其自有工具(如 Axon 和 Max)的实际表现。这些数据有助于为推荐引擎提供信息,这明显改善了对广告商的定向投放,并提高了其开发者的利润,不仅限于公司旗下的工作室,也包括他们作为代理商合作的其他公司。
So, instead From the store's closure, They decided to buy The studios themselves To create their data Special about games Which they control. This will help them Viewing actual performance For their own tools such as Axon and Max In real time. as This data helped in Feeding the recommendation engine, Which clearly led to Improved targeting For advertisers and increase Profits for their developers, Not just for studios Owned by the company, but For other companies that They were working as agents She too.
如你所知,这是来自 AppLovin 公司的订单。出售工作室,这些游戏在 2025 年出售给 Triple Dot,总价值约为 8 亿美元,以现金和股票形式支付。
As you know, it's over The order is from the "Ab Lovin" company. Selling studios These games to " Triple Dot in 2025 with a total value It amounted to approximately 800 million Dollars in cash and shares.
我认为这确实帮助了他们将资本重新配置到利润率高于自身业务的领域。这作为一种手段,帮助他们更专注于广告业务,减少对其他可能分散他们对该特定目标注意力的事务的投入。
I think this helped them Truly on re-employment Capital in parts With higher profit margins than Their own businesses. as It served as a means It helped them focus More only on works Advertising, and reducing Being preoccupied with anything else It might distract them from that The specific goal.
而现在,我相信他们持有 Triple Dot 的股份这一事实,也是一步战略。因此,这有助于维持这些工作室与 Max 之间的关系,而无需在游戏行业投入资本或时间。
And now, I believe that the truth They own a share in "Triple Dot" was a step It's also a strategy. So, this helps in Maintaining the relationship Among these studios And Max, without The need for investment Capital or time in The gaming industry.
自从我获得这些数据以来,我只能假设他们利用了从中获利的能力。这是我确信的。这有助于支撑我们从该公司看到的惊人增长数字。
Since I got Accessibility This data, no I can only assume that they They took advantage of the ability To make a profit from it. That's what I'm sure of. Help support numbers The amazing growth that We saw it from the company.
但也许那是因为我觉得这个领域极其令人困惑。我……我仍然对 AppLovin 的竞争优势感到不确信。
But perhaps that Because I find this field Extremely confusing. I... I am still not convinced With competitive advantages For AppLovin.
一方面,我认为是的,他们的成功表明他们显然能够获得一种 Alphabet 和 Meta 无法通过收购获得的特殊地位。
on the one hand, I think so, yes, their success It indicates that they They were clearly able to book A special status that could not be achieved Alphabet and Meta from Acquiring it.
但另一方面,每当他们成长并证明这可以成为一个对他们来说利润丰厚的领域时,你不得不怀疑这是否会吸引竞争对手的注意。
but On the other hand, whenever They grew and proved that this It can be a field Highly profitable For them, you have to She wonders if That will attract attention The competitors.
所以,我认为这是任何在专业领域占据主导地位的参与者面临的挑战,当它扩张并开始侵扰大公司时。通常,这会导致收购专业参与者,但如果收购成本对买方来说昂贵,竞争对手可能会尝试从零开始平行建立自己的业务,那将是 AppLovin 真正的问题。
So, I think That is the challenge Any dominant player faces In a specialized field, while It expands and begins to harass Large companies. to learn, Often This leads to Acquiring the player The specialist, but if The cost of acquisition Expensive to the buyer. Competitors may try Building their businesses Parallel from zero, That will be a problem Genuine AppLovin.
如果,利用上述故事,我们可以看到 AppLovin 在持续数年的时间里建立了其功能。不是吗?所以,即使出现一个新的竞争对手,即使有数十亿美元的预算,想要与 AppLovin 竞争,也需要很长时间才能达到 AppLovin 在这些年里达到的同等水平。
if, Using the story above We can see that AppLovin has built its features Over a period of time It lasted for several years. Isn't that so? So, even If a new competitor comes along, Let's move to the budget Billions of dollars, He wanted to compete with AppLovin. It will take time It takes so long that it reaches The same level of range that AppLovin reached him on Over the course of these years.
所以,如果我必须将竞争优势限制在一件事上,也许我会选择规模经济,也许还有基于数据的学习循环。关于第二点,它来自于十年的分销和广告商关系建设,此外还有自动化学习系统,这些系统如今产生了大量的新数据评论,他们能够从中获利。
So If I have to limit Competitive advantage in One thing here, perhaps I choose economics The range and perhaps the ring Learning based on Data. with regards Regarding the second point, it is It comes from a decade of building Distribution and relationships Advertisers, in addition To learning systems The automatic, which generates Today a huge influx from the data New comments Which they were able to achieve Profit from it.
但这种类型的特征,竞争仍然激烈。说实话,这有点让我害怕,因为我很清楚,有其他公司相信他们可以复制 AppLovin 的部分成功。
But this Types of features The competition remains fierce. To be honest, It kind of scares me, because It is clear to me that there Other companies believe that You can replicate some success AppLovin.
因此,一项研究发现,从 2025 年开始,他们发现 MAX 在约 55% 的最受欢迎游戏广告利润中占据优势,而 Unity 的 LevelPlay 约为 25%,AdMob 约为 13%。
Therefore, One study found Regarding that, starting from 2025, They found that MAX was gaining ground Approximately 55% One of the most popular games Profit that is achieved Profits from advertising Compared to approximately 25% for LevelPlay From Unity and about 13% for AdMob.
所以,如你所知,他们拥有非常大的市场份额。然而,公平地说,正如我们之前在本集中讨论过的针对 Google 的诉讼问题,Google 通过广告包的垂直整合,从历史上看,存在一些利益冲突,说得客气一点。
So, as you know, they have A very large market share. However, it will be To be fair, as We have previously discussed this The episode is about the issues The lawsuit filed against Google, that Google's vertical integration Through the advertising package, Historically, some Conflict of interest To put it mildly.
AppLovin 之前更加垂直整合。它拥有庞大的移动应用组合,这些移动应用提供了第一方数据和粉丝,帮助其改进自己的广告技术。
AppLovin was more Vertical integration in the previous. It was She has a large portfolio of Mobile apps This mobile phone provided First party data And the fans who I helped them improve Advertising technology Their own.
但现在,在那消失之后,从理论上讲,这使得 AppLovin 能够将其全部精力转向广告。这导致了投资减少,以及 AppLovin 垂直整合度的降低。
But now After that disappeared, from Theoretically, it allowed That's for AppLovin conversion Her entire focus is on Advertisements. This led to Abstraction from investments to Reducing some of the integration Vertical to AppLovin.
因此,它不再管理那些已验证其平台能从其广告库存中产生利润的发行商。所以,至少在结构上,AppLovin 现在在发行商方面的垂直整合程度不如以前。
Therefore, It no longer manages Publishers who have verified Its platform generates profits from Their advertising inventory also. So, at least Structurally, AppLovin is now less Vertical integration of Publishers' side of what It was on him previously.
可能存在的利益冲突较少,而且数量少于监管机构可能标记的风险。因此,这并不会让AppLovin完全中立。它的请求仍在等待中,它在MAX内部与私人广告竞争,但AppLovin表示其请求不会得到优惠待遇,出价最高者获胜。
There are perhaps fewer Conflict of interest, and number Less than the marks Possible red For regulatory bodies. Therefore, that does not AppLovin makes it neutral completely. Her request is still pending Private advertising It competes within MAX, but AppLovin says its request does not He receives treatment preferential treatment and the highest-ranking individual Giving is what wins.
当然,他们说这是真的,但我认为其中有一些道理。是的,我认为MAX很强大。因为它位于一个层,在发布商和竞争广告的网络之间进行调解。因此,对于每一次展示,通过MAX从中获利,AppLovin确实处于决策过程的中间。
And of course, they say That's true, but I suppose that There is some truth in that. Yes, I think MAX is powerful. Because it is located in a layer That mediation between Publishers and networks Competing advertisements. Therefore, for each An impression is achieved Profit from it through MAX, AppLovin really sits in Mid-taking process That decision.
因此,合格的广告需求来源在实时竞价。MAX将这些出价与任何未提供的请求来源的出价进行比较,然后他们决定将显示哪个广告。但AppLovin也参与这些拍卖的需求方。所以,实际上,它管理着市场,同时也在其中竞争。
Therefore, progress Qualified demand sources These bids at the time The actual one. MAX compares those Bids alongside any Source of request not provided Bids, then they decide Simply the advertisement that It will be shown. But AppLovin It also participates in the side Demand from those auctions like that. So, in fact, She manages the market while They compete within it.
她说AppLovin的特殊请求不会得到优惠待遇,正如我刚才所说,出价最高者获胜。至于涉及组织实体,据我所知,他们在这方面的说法是真实的。
She says AppLovin, its special request He doesn't get treated Preferential, as I just said The highest bid is Whoever wins. As for what It relates to the entities Organizational, and according to what I see it, they say The truth in this regard.
所以,回到我们的例子,假设谷歌可以提供,实际上,该模型已经从AdMob期间推进了非常类似的调解,同时通过Audience Network为发布商提供外部Meta订单。
So, going back to Our example here, let's say that Google can offer And indeed, the model has advanced A very similar mediation from During AdMob, while providing Meta-order for publishers External through Audience Network Network).
因此,竞争优势不是谷歌或Meta在技术上无法模拟MAX平台。我认为最重要的问题是,AppLovin在调解中的工作范围,发布商授予它的数据和流动性改进以及分发策略,是否使其对试图超越它的竞争对手越来越困难。
Therefore, the advantage competitiveness is not Google or Meta is technically incapable About simulating the MAX platform. I think the most important question It is whether the scope of work AppLovin in mediation Publishers grant it Data and liquidity Improvement and strategy Distribution makes it difficult More and more on Competitors trying Overcoming it.
在我看来,Meta和谷歌在某些方面是两个竞争对手,但由于我们刚刚讨论的原因,它们并不构成同等的直接竞争。而且,在我为准备这次关于AppLovin的演示而进行自己的研究时,还有其他事情让我感到惊讶,那就是我想谈谈它的一些竞争优势和其运营的简单性。
It seems to me that Meta and Google Two rivals in certain ways, But they do not constitute direct competition Equivalent for the reasons that We just discussed it. And it was There is something else that surprised me Really, when I was doing My own research for preparation This presentation is about AppLovin, And that is my desire to talk About some of its advantages competitiveness and simplicity Its operations.
脚注:息税折旧及摊销前利润(EBITDA)——这是营业利润的近似衡量标准,在扣除营业费用、债务融资和其他相关事项之前,它是衡量公司盈利能力的更准确指标。在过去十年中,这一比例超过了79%。
footnotes Earnings before interest Taxes and depreciation And consumption (EBITDA) - which is Approximate measure of profit Operating costs before operating expenses Debt financing and other related matters It is a more accurate measure For the company's profitability. I have This percentage exceeded 79% During the two months The past ten years.
这显然是一家非常轻资产的公司。损益表上出现的项目不多,这降低了它们的盈利能力,这对股东和公司随着时间的推移为他们创造价值的能力非常有利。
This It is clearly a company Very lightweight assets. There aren't many items It appears on the income statement This reduces their profitability, which is Very good For shareholders and capacity The company is creating value For them over time.
是的,这家公司的利润率是我见过的绝对最好的之一,还有另一个统计数据也让我惊讶。
Yes, profit margins in This company is among The best I've seen Absolutely, and there Another statistic that amazed me also.
如果你看过去十二个月,你会发现AppLovin每位员工的平均收入为760万美元,利润率接近65%,每位员工的利润也达到数百万美元。
If you look at twelve months In the past, you find that the average Employee revenue One in AppLovin was 7.6 One million dollars, and Profit margins approaching 65%, The employee's profits One also reaches Millions of dollars.
现在,像大多数软件公司一样,你很可能知道来源。许多这些运营是自动化的。他们不需要太多额外费用来扩大使用其现有平台的广告商和发布商的数量。因此,随着客户数量的增加和他们在财务上支出的增加,他们获得了运营杠杆的强大推动力。
And now, like most companies Software, you can on Most likely, the source is known. Many of these cranes Operational. They don't understand. They need a lot of Additional expenses To expand the number range Advertisers and publishers Those who use Their platform already exists. Therefore, With the increasing number of their customers And increase their spending Financially, they receive That powerful push of Operating leverage.
我认为这部分也深深植根于他们的执行经理Adam Frogin的个性。有人提到他们绝对有意保持非常简单的结构。例如,他们限制经理数量,以确保没有太多官僚层级,这可能会明显影响利润率。
The other part of this I think it's deeply rooted Also in the personality of their manager The executive, Adam Frogin. It was mentioned that they preserved On a very simple structure Absolutely on purpose. on For example, they They limit the number of managers To ensure no passage With many layers bureaucracy that It can clearly affect On the margins,
而且我认为这是一个非常好的特点,相比一个认为可以简单雇佣5000人来试图超越他们的竞争对手,那么他们的单位经济性很可能比AppLovin差得多,这就是我认为有助于在某种程度上增强AppLovin竞争地位的原因。
and I think That this is a very good feature Compared to a competitor who believes He can simply Hiring 5000 people to try Overcoming them, so who It is likely to be Economics of their units Much worse than AppLovin's economics, which is What I think helps in Enhancing AppLovin's position To some extent competitive.
当我们看AppLovin的这个特殊图表时,我们注意到其营业利润率有显著波动,我希望你能提供一些关于此事的背景。
As we look at this Special graph At AppLovin, we note Significant fluctuations in margins Their operating profit, And I hope you will be able to Providing some context about This matter.
从2022年到2023年,利润率从17.7%增加到约70%。这是12个月期间非常大的变化,他们在过去两年中随着增长保持了这些高利润率,但什么解释了这一点?那真是一年内巨大的飞跃。
From 2022 By 2023, it had increased Margins from 17.7% to About 70%. This is a change Very large during the 12-month period For a month, and they maintained These high margins As it grows over The past two years, But what explains it? That was truly a leap Enormous in one year?
是的,我认为有几件事可以解释这一点。首先,在我看来,部分利润率压力与他们进行的一些收购有关。MoPub 交易可能是他们最大的一笔交易之一,我认为它超过了 5 亿美元,而且实际上,这笔交易对资本运用非常有利,因为它为他们的团队增添了很多人才,但也增加了更多费用,如公认会计原则(GAAP)下的摊销和损耗。
Yes, I think there are A few things explain this. The first thing that explains Some margin pressure That, in my opinion, It is related to some processes The acquisition they made In it. The MoPub deal Perhaps one of the biggest Their deals, which I believe It exceeded 500 million Dollar, and this was in In reality, usage Very good for capital Where he added a lot of Talents to the team Their work, but he added Also, more expenses Accounting principles Generally Accepted (GAAP) Such as consumption And extinguishing.
然后他们又进行了一些比 MoPub 规模小的收购,这也导致了费用的增加,他们增加了员工,这也在一段时间内给他们的利润率带来了压力。
Then they added A few acquisitions Others are smaller compared to MoPub, which also led to increase expenses They had firefighters, and they helped That also puts pressure Their profit margins for some the time.
但我认为,如果我们看看其他方面,看看是什么原因促使他们扩张而不是收缩?我认为主要的发展之一是 Axon 2。AppLovin 的广告经理曾谈到过它,随着时间的推移,他们有了该程序的版本和新一代,我认为最显著的区别在于他们吸引越来越多广告商使用他们产品的能力,仅仅是因为它变得越来越好。
But I think if We looked to the side Other things And we saw what the reason was Which prompted them to expand Instead of shrinking? I think one of the developments The main one was the Axon 2. It was She talked about an advertising manager AppLovin, and over time They had versions And new generations of that The program, and I think it The most significant differences Very much in their ability to attract more and more Advertisers to use Their product, simply because It got better and better.
因此,我认为这很可能真正帮助他们显著增长。所以,这是 Axon 2 模型的混合,我认为,他们在过去几年里也没有进行许多并购操作。所以,我认为这也帮助他们保持精简。
Therefore I think this is probably What really helped them Increase it significantly. So it was a mix From the Axon 2 model, I think Also, they did not With many operations Mergers and acquisitions Over the course of the last few years The past. So, I think That this also helped in Keeping them a lean company,
很明显,当与一家更大的公司进行并购时,你必须引进新员工。显然这会增加费用,并且需要一些时间来弄清楚哪些人是你真正需要的,以留住他们,他们会为你所花的钱带来最大的回报,以及哪些人可以没有。
所以这需要一些时间。因此,你也会面临轻微的延迟期。
It is clear that when It performs a merging process and acquisition with a larger company You have to bring New employees. It is clear This adds expenses and It takes some Time to find out who they are People you need Truly, to keep them in The company and they will achieve for you Greatest return for what Spend it, and who can Do without them. And so It takes some the time. Therefore, you will face slight delay period also.
好的。我认为听众可以感受到我对 AppLovin 的犹豫。然而,它肯定帮助我更好地欣赏工作,而且帮助很大。事实上,我可以说,我倾向于有些批评的部分原因是我们试图理解为什么一家三年复合年收入增长率为 55% 的公司,我的意思是,真正惊人的增长,其交易估值却相对其增长和盈利能力而言非常温和,而该公司能够展示这一点。
Good. I think that Listeners can My feeling of hesitation regarding " AppLovin is here. However, you It definitely helps me Better work appreciation By a lot. In fact, I can say that part What is the reason for my inclination to be somewhat critical It is that we are trying to understand why Having a company with a growth rate Compound annual revenue For 3 years it is 55%. I mean, truly amazing growth It is traded at a rating Very modest compared By the amount of growth And the profitability that was able The company is showing it.
因此,乍一看,这似乎不合逻辑。但是,正如你从我们目前的分析中可以推断出的,像 AppLovin 这样的公司有许多动态因素。而且我真心认为,如果你想成为这家企业的所有者,你必须理解所有这些因素。
Thus, at first glance It doesn't seem like Logically. But, as You can deduce from Our analysis so far, There are many dynamic factors in A company like "Ab Lovin". And I truly believe that it is It is essential to feel that You understand them all if you You want to be Owner of this business.
但是,即使我们排除这项工作的增长,是的,一个思想实验,不,还有一个指标在这里有点令人难以置信。字面上。这就是我提到的公司投资者的资本回报率。
But, even if we exclude Growth from this work Yes, a thought experiment, no There is still another measure It's somewhat unbelievable here. literally. This is the return On capital investor in the company The one I referred to.
如果我使用 Fiscal AI,这是我们最喜欢的工具之一,私人投资者的资本回报率(ROIC)显示为 113%,对于 AppLovin 公司来说。事实上,这个数字自首次公开募股以来一直在上升。
And if I went to "Fiscal AI", which One of our favorite tools For use, Return on capital Private Investor (ROIC) They are listed at 113% For the company "Ab Lovin". This In fact, the number is rising Since the public offering First.
是的,这是另一个看起来比实际更美的数字。是的,我认为这项工作存在一些复杂性,这就是为什么我认为它已经翻倍,我不会说低,甚至翻倍是合理的。我们很快就会讨论这一点,但我真的想更深入地研究我刚才提到的投入资本的回报率这个数字,因为当我看到它时,它确实引起了我的注意。
Yes, it's a number Another one looks more beautiful than It's real. Yes, and I think there are Some complications in this Work, and that's why I believe he has Doubled, I won't say Low, even double Reasonable. We will discuss That's soon, but I I really want to take a look Deeper on that number The astrologer for the return on the head The invested money that I just mentioned it because When I saw him, he turned out My attention, definitely also.
所以,这里肯定有一些事情需要考虑。首先,鉴于 AppLovin 是一家软件公司,它不一定拥有巨大的再投资机会。
So, there Certainly some things Which must be taken into consideration here . Firstly, given that "father Lovin is a software company. It does not necessarily possess Huge opportunities for re- Investment.
你知道,这不是谷歌,它可以投资数千亿美元建设新的人工智能基础设施。但是,如你所知,他们过去确实进行了一些收购,老实说,这可能是他们继续资本投资的更好方式。
You know, This is not "Google" that She can invest hundreds billions of Dollars in structure New infrastructure for intelligence Artificial. But, as You know, they did some Acquisitions in The past, let's be honest This might be better A way for them to continue Capital investment.
但是,听这个。在 2026 年上半年,AppLovin 仅在物业设施和设备上花费了 180 万美元,而收入为 38 亿美元。
but, Listen to this. In First half of 2026 AppLovin spent Amount of $1.8 million Only on property facilities and equipment, Against revenues of 3.8 One billion dollars.
因此,如你所知,管理层似乎并不热衷于雇佣很多人。公司使用的所有计算能力都是完全租用的,而不是自有的。
Therefore, as You know, it doesn't really seem that The administration is interested in hiring Many people. all The computing power that The company uses it Fully rented. that it It is not owned by her.
所以,即使 AppLovin 的投资者资本回报率超过 100%,也不应该假设你会很快从这个数字中获得回报,因为 AppLovin 最多可能每年再投资约 5 亿美元用于有机增长,另外通过研发、计算能力、雇佣工程师以及可能一些较小的内部举措。
因此,即使高资本回报率这个数字看起来很棒,由于缺乏再投资机会,很难将 AppLovin 视为复合增长引擎。我的意思是,如果我们回到 10 年前,看看他们现在达到了什么水平,很明显答案是肯定的。
但现在,真的很难知道他们将在哪里再投资,以及他们将从中获得什么样的回报。
So, even And if AppLovin Returns on capital The investor's share exceeds 100%. It should not be assumed that you You will get returns soon From that number, because in At most, it is possible for AppLovin Reinvestment Approximately 500 million annually In organic growth Additional through matters Such as research and development, And computing power, And the employment of engineers, And perhaps some initiatives The smaller interior. Therefore, Even if the return On high capital It's wonderful to see this The number, due to a lack of opportunities Reinvestment, It becomes difficult to consider AppLovin as a growth engine The compound. I mean, if We went back 10 Years and we looked at what They have now reached him. It will be clear that The answer is yes, it is like that. But now, it has become It's really hard to know Where will they return? Investment and what type The returns they will receive She has that Investments.
好的,这是另一面,另一面是针对Saif公司的软件。如果我们从这类项目和公司中学到任何东西,我们研究过的公司,那么好的公司和最好的公司,软件将实现这种卓越的资本回报。但由于这些工作不需要大量资金,这意味着只有有限的方式可以在其当前工作中运用批判性思维进行发展,并且有明显的许多地方可以再投资这些资本。
基本上,你的支付能力取决于利润增长和股东价值,而股东价值又取决于其产生的资本回报以及你可以再投资于其中的利润百分比。所以,如果你实现了非常高的回报,但你没有关键的投资机会,业务可能会继续增长,但在收入和利润方面有限且乏善可陈。
Okay, this is the face The other is for Saif companies Software. If we learn Anything like this Program and companies Which we have researched, then Good companies, and the best companies The software will achieve this Exceptional returns On capital. But Because these works do not It requires a lot of head Money, that means There are only a limited number of ways To employ criticism in development Their current work, and There are clear places Many to reinvest That's capital. as Learn, essentially, Your ability to pay depends Profit growth and value Shareholders and value Essential on returns The capital that it generates and the percentage of profits that You can return Invest in it. So, if You were achieving high returns Very much so, but you don't have Key investment opportunities The business may continue to grow. Limited and uninspiring in Revenues and profits.
再次强调,这是“Up Lovin”公司(AppLovin)面临的挑战,或者至少我的看法是,当他们找到机会时,他们能够产生非常高的资本回报。问题是,他们能否继续在其能力圈内找到机会,还是最终会随着时间推移,为了追求那种回报而漂移到市场中的其他领域,最终因资本配置不佳而陷入困境。
And once again, This is the challenge that He is facing the "Up Lovin" company (AppLovin), or at least My perception is that they Capable of generating Very high returns on Capital when they find Opportunities to do so. The question is, can they? Continuing to find Opportunities within their sphere of competence Basic or are they They will end up By drifting into fields Others in the market through Time in pursuit of self The type of returns, To end up Due to poor capital allocation.
是的,你知道,关于数据中心角度,这是一个非常好的问题。我的意思是,他们使用数据,因此理论上,他们继续这一趋势是否有意义?我不知道。但是,我认为,鉴于最近AppLovin股价缺乏稳定,如果他们决定继续这个方向,很可能不会被积极考虑。
但是,我认为,他们目前也有足够的义务,所以这条路很可能作为分散注意力的东西。正如我们看到的游戏工作室的淘汰,我不确定这是否是他们实际想要做的事情。
Yes, and you know, it That's a really good question about Data center angle. I mean, they use The data, therefore theoretically Would it make sense? For them to proceed This trend? I don't know. But, I think, given the lack AB stock price stabilizes Lovren recently, from It is likely not to be considered To do so positively if They decided to proceed with that. The direction. But, I think Also, they have what Enough of their obligations Currently, so the wire This road will work on Most likely as a distractor Attention. As we have seen With the elimination of Game studios, I'm not sure this It will be something they will want. Doing it in practice.
但我想在这里解释的一点是,AppLovin,在我看来,在资本回报方面获得了最高分。但显然,当涉及到资金效率时,这不是一个决定。资本配置不是唯一必须由管理层做出的决定。还有利润分配和运营回购。
没有必要谈论利润分配,因为他们不支付,我觉得这完全合理。但是,我认为,在运营回购方面,事情变得真正有趣。
but The point I would like The explanation here is that AppLovin, in my opinion Achieve the highest scores Possible with regard to With returns on capital The investor. Mother, but from Obviously, when it comes to The matter efficiently. Money, that's not a decision. Capital allocation The only one who has to The administration took this decision. there Also distributions Profits and operations Repurchase. No need To talk about distributions profits because they don't They pay it, which is a matter I find it perfectly logical. But, I think things It becomes interesting Truly, in terms of operations Repurchase.
是的,对于经常关注这个节目的听众来说,你可能厌倦了听到我不是利润分配的强烈粉丝,出于税收原因。我们可能会讨论确切的原因,但你知道,也许这不会改变。直到我们达到退休年龄,而且她离我们俩都还很远,我不这么认为。
但现在,我们想专注于能够最大化其投资的商业模式,通常这是通过明智的再投资机会或通过回购来实现的。
Yes, and regarding For listeners who They follow this program Regularly, it is likely You are tired of hearing I am not among the most severe Fans of distributions Profits for reasons Tax. We may discuss To talk about the reason The exact details, but as You know, maybe it won't change. This is until we reach the years Retirement, and she still Far from both of us, on I don't think so. But in Right now, we want Focus on models Businesses that can Maximize its investments in The same, and usually This is through opportunities for reinstatement. Smart investment or Through re-processing Purchase.
是的,你可能会觉得对于一家收入增长率类似初创公司的科技公司来说,回购股票很奇怪,但说实话,股票回购计划对股东价值非常有用,至少在最初几年是这样。所以,我们可以将回购操作大致分为两个不同的时间段。
第一个时期大约从2022年到2024年。在那段时间里,回购操作创造了很多很多价值。在那段时期,AppLovin花费约25亿美元回购了约7000万股。他们以平均约35美元的价格做到了这一点。
现在,股价今天,再次下跌50%后,约为314美元。因此,很明显这是一个巨大的推动力,对股东价值非常大。仅仅看这第一个时期,很难不给Frogy和管理团队在资本配置方面打“A+”评级。
仅在2023年,他们就花费了14亿美元回购约4100万股。今天,这些股票的价值约为126亿美元。也许回购的更好部分还帮助为他们的首批投资者之一提供了流动性,而不会引起市场恐慌。
例如,AppLovin从KKR(其早期投资者之一)购买了一批股票。这使他们避免了KKR在公开市场上释放这些股票。因此,AppLovin设法收购了它们,并防止了可能频繁发生的抛售压力增加而导致的恐慌局面。
但实际上,在此期间他们借了一点钱来资助一些回购操作,以帮助他们增加可以购买的股票数量,我认为这是对债务的非常聪明的使用。
Yes, and you might think that it is from Strange for the company Technology with growth rates In terms of revenue, it is similar Startups that You are repurchasing Her shares, but in order to be Honestly, the program Private Repurchase They are very useful For the value to shareholders, At least in their years First. So, we can Somewhat like a division of operations Repurchase to These two periods The two different time periods . The first period extended From approximately 2022 until The year was 2024. The time when I was created Repurchase operations A lot, a lot of Value. During this During that period, AppLovin spent Approximately $2.5 billion To cancel approximately 70 million share. And they did that With an average price of approximately $35. Now, price The stock today, once again After it decreased by 50% It amounts to approximately 314 Dollars. Therefore, from It is clear that this was A huge boost And very large for value Shareholders. Just looking To this first period It's hard not to give Frogy and the management team "A+" rating in header allocation the money. In 2023 alone They spent 1.4 billion Dollar to repurchase Approximately 41 million shares. Today, the value of that The share is approximately 12.6 billion dollar. Perhaps it was better Part of the re- Buying these helped Also in providing Liquidity for one Their first investors Without causing market panic. For example, AppLovin purchased a group of Shares from KKR, one of Its early investors. This allowed them to avoid KKR's release of those Stocks in the market Open. And so, AppLovin managed to acquire it And prevented a situation from occurring Panic due to selling pressure The increasing number that can To occur frequently. but rather They are actually during During this period they borrowed A little to fund some Repurchase operations To help increase the number The shares they can Buy it, which I believe It's a very clever use For debts.
我必须向Ferrari Apple的管理团队致敬,总的来说,我认为他们值得掌声。因为是的,回购操作的时机非常成功。尽管对债务的依赖总是引起担忧,但由于这项业务产生了大量流动性,我能理解为什么借钱来推动回购计划是一个合理的决定。
I must salute Ferrari Apple's management team in general General, and I think they They deserve applause. Because Yes, the timing of the operations Accurate repurchase Very successful. Despite That reliance on Debt is causing concern Always, since this Work generates a lot of Liquidity, I can I understand why it is considered Borrowing to boost Buyback Program A defensible decision About him.
但你提到故事还有第二部分?它看起来不如第一部分好。是的,这是正确的。所以,到2025年,股价自2022年回购计划开始时的最低水平以来上涨了超过30倍。但很明显,他们并没有以任何方式精确定义底部。
但如果你看自2025年初以来的图表,你会发现股价经历了剧烈波动,它超过了700美元,然后回落到今天的314美元。令人惊讶的是,收入和自由现金流在此期间以超过40%的速度增长,但回购操作继续以平均425美元的价格进行,而今天的价格略高于300美元。
这里事情变得有点复杂。你知道,我认为巴菲特多次说过,股票回购只有在你的股票被低估时才有意义。如果我必须猜测,管理层可能不再认为他们的股票被低估,但我们可能需要更多时间来看这个回购计划将如何结束。
如果我们两年后回来,例如,股票交易价格超过600美元,那么回购操作将对价值非常有用。理论上这可能发生,如果你相信公司声称可以实现30%的复合年收入增长。虽然这代表了他们历史增长率的回落,但对于一家市值1000亿美元的公司来说,这仍然是一个非常高的数字。
然而,我想说,管理层在回购操作的时机上可能有点仓促。在第一个时期,有时他们以10倍的运营盈利能力(EV/EBITDA)倍数购买股票,这是非常好的价格。但在第二个时期,这个倍数达到了40倍。
所以,你知道,我认为这里的估值存在非常大的差异,作为投资者,你当然希望他们保持这个倍数较低的可能性。
But you mentioned that there A second part to the story? No It looks as good as the part the first. Yes, this is correct. So, by In 2025, the stock rose More than 30 times since Start of the re-program Buy in 2022 when Its lowest levels. But It is clear that they did not They precisely define the bottom with any One way or another. but If you look at the drawing The graph since the beginning of the year By 2025, you will find that the share price It has experienced sharp fluctuations, Where it exceeded $700 It then dropped back to 314 Dollars today. gesticulate What makes this surprising is revenue and cash flow Free criticism was They are growing at a rate exceeding 40% During this period, but Repurchase operations It continued at an average price of $425 compared At today's price, which is higher A little over $300. And here things get It's a bit complicated. as You know, I think Buffett He said it repeatedly Share buyback It only makes sense When your shares Undervalued The truth. And if I have to guess, so who It is likely that the administration does not She still believes her shares Undervalued But we might need to More time to see How will the program end? Repurchase this. if We came back after two years, for example. The stock was trading at Over $600 Reconstruction operations will be This purchase is very useful For value. This may happen Theoretically, if you believe The company said it can Achieving growth in Annual revenue A compound with a concentration of 30%. Although This represents a retreat from Their growth rates Historically, however, no It's still a high number Very much for a company that Its market value is 100 One billion dollars. However, I would like to say that The administration was perhaps A little hasty in Timing of re-operations Purchase. In that The first period was There are times when they buy It includes shares with a multiple Operating profitability (EV/EBITDA) Its value is 10 times, which is the price very good. But during The second period, arrived This rate is 40 Weakness. So, as you know, I think there is a discrepancy Very large in The evaluation is here, and as you As an investor, you would prefer Of course, they should keep this The multiplier is low. Possibility.
那么,其中一个结果是……资金效率的逻辑是,金钱是宗教,如果聪明地使用,它可以用来提高你的回报。考虑到对宗教的明智使用……如果你买入会怎样?我们仔细研究了AppLovin的债务状况如何?你对这个问题的评估是什么?
Well, one of the results The logic of head efficiency Money is religion, where It can be used to improve Your returns if used Cleverly. And considering Smart use For the religion in the re- What if you buy that? We took a closer look at What is the status of AppLovin's debt? What is your assessment of that?
是的,我认为这实际上是这项工作的关键优势之一。简单来说,正如我提到的,她确实不需要大量债务,无论是为了增长还是为了管理工作。因此,考虑到上个季度,他们有大约35亿美元的长期债务,但他们也持有31亿美元现金,净债务仅为4亿美元。
而且他们持有的长期债券期限很长,利率非常合理。一系列还款期限,比如说,25年。因此,不存在即将到期的大量债务墙。现在,你还可以将其与AppLovin实际产生的现金流进行比较。仅在2026年上半年,他们就产生了21亿美元的经营现金流。
因此,他们实际上可以通过仅半年的现金流来偿还净债务数次。所以,在我看来,确实不存在与债务相关的风险指标。
Yes, and I think this is in The reality is perhaps one Key strengths of This work. The matter Simply put, as I mentioned, She really doesn't need it to a lot of debt Whether for growth or for management the job. Therefore, considering From the last quarter, They have about 3.5 billion Dollars of long-term debt For a while, but they keep Also with 3.1 billion Dollars in cash and what It equals it, making the net The debt is $400 million. only. and the debts that They have long-term bonds Term with interest rate Very reasonable, it's worth it. A series of payments on Madar, let's say, 25 years Other. Therefore, there is no " A huge wall of Debt obligations Which will be resolved soon. Now, you also Compare that to what it produces AppLovin is actually from streams Cash. So, in half Only the first of 2026, They made $2.1 billion from cash flows Operational. Therefore, They can actually pay Their net debt several times Through what they achieve Cash flows in half Just one year. So, as I see it, There really aren't any Risk indicators related With debt.
我认为AppLovin是一家资金管理非常保守的公司。鉴于其业务不需要大量资本,除了他们可以用于自我投资的部分,我认为他们目前持有的债务并不必要。那么,问题来了,他们最初为什么保留这些债务?
我认为答案在于两个主要方面。第一个,我们确实讨论过,是股票回购。仅在过去一年,他们就回购了价值22亿美元的股票。因此,如果股价下跌,就像现在这样,在资产负债表上保留额外现金以应对当前批评可能是明智之举。另一个我们未提及的原因是真正用于并购目的。
I think AppLovin is a company conservatively funded Very clearly. And given Because the work does not require A lot of capital Apart from what they can return Investing in themselves I don't think I see A great need for debt Which they currently have. So, this raises the question, Why do they keep it? originally? I think that The answer lies in the form My major is in two fields. The first one, which we covered Indeed, it is a repurchase Stocks. They returned Buying shares worth 2.2 one billion dollars a year The past alone. So, if The share price fell, as That is the case now, Having extra cash For use other than Current criticism in Balance sheet It could be a step Smart. Another reason Which we did not address It is truly for purposes Mergers and acquisitions.
是的,所以如果有一家像AppLovin这样的公司,它能够收购其他公司,而这些公司的资本效率接近其当前价格,那么完全收购这些公司是有意义的。因此,自2021年以来,他们在并购上花费了约28亿美元。
所以,这是一家在整合和收购领域有经验的公司。我之前提到过与Adjust的私有交易。这是一家他们直接收购的公司。还从Twitter收购了MoPub,正如我之前提到的,然后是CTV Whirl。
至于创造最大的价值,也许要归功于Max。Max的收购完成得稍早,所以实际上并未计入28亿美元的金额中。但真正重要的是,Max实际上是一家初创公司,规模很小,由MoPub的联合创始人创立。
因此,收购MoPub本质上只是帮助将更多人才输送到Max的一种手段。但我认为……
Yes, so If there is a company Like AppLovin and It can acquire On other companies that own In turn, efficiency rates Capitalism close to Its rates in price Currently, it makes sense. Going forward completely Acquiring those Companies. So, since the year In 2021, they spent approximately 2.8 billion dollars on Mergers And acquisition. So, this A company with experience in field of integration And acquisition. I mentioned Previously the Adjust private sector With them. This was a company Buy them all Directly. as Also buy MoPub from Twitter, as I mentioned Previously, then CTV Whirl. As for creating the largest A certain amount of value, perhaps That was thanks to Max. It was completed Buy Max earlier A little, so it doesn't It is actually calculated within the amount $2.8 billion. But the really important part It is that Max was in The reality is a startup company. Small, founded by one Co-founders For MoPub. Therefore, The acquisition of MoPub was Essentially just a means To help with transportation More talent to Max. But I think that
但我认为AppLovin试图收购的最大公司,也许是最令人兴奋的,是美国的TikTok。所以我认为这个提议非常有趣,而且这个协议是完全合理的。
But I think that The largest company that tried AppLovin Buy it, which perhaps Be the most exciting Interestingly, TikTok is in US. So I think this proposal Very interesting And that the agreement was That makes perfect sense.
据我所知,AppLovin可以利用TikTok庞大的用户平台,这将有助于实现更高的广告回报。但我们清楚地知道,关于TikTok存在许多监管审查,这已悄悄将其排除在AppLovin的任何进一步讨论之外,因为AppLovin面临许多竞争性报价,最终未能成功。
as Learn, AppLovin could Taking advantage of Axon on TikTok's massive platform For the users. It will help That is in achieving returns Larger advertising. But we We know clearly that it was There are many Regulatory audit Regarding TikTok, it has been Quietly exclude him from any Additional conversations from AppLovin's point of view, where He faced many offers The competition and he did not succeed in the end.
所以,美国的TikTok最终被其他投资者的联盟收购,他们与AppLovin无关。
So it was purchased TikTok in the United States United in the end from Before this alliance of Other investors do not They have nothing to do with it.
就AppLovin而言,我认为分配资金并不是我们持有该股的主要动机,除非我们觉得其基础业务活动非常非常强劲。为了继续我们对AppLovin的分析,如果我们花一些时间专门讨论Adam Forge,因为很明显他是AppLovin的核心人物。
In the case of AppLovin, no I think allocating a head Money is a motivating factor for us The desire to own The stock unless we feel that Business activity The basics are very, very strong. . In order to continue Our analysis of AppLovin, What if we spent some Time in conversation Specifically about Adam Forge Because it was clear The central character in AppLovin.
然而,我认为你面临依赖核心人物的风险。请问,你对Frogy有何看法?他与股东利益的一致性如何?是的,关于利益,如果我们整体来看内部人士,他们拥有约13%的A类股,但他们还拥有B类股,这些股份仅由内部人士持有,以赋予他们投票权。
However, I assume You are facing a type of Risks of relying on The main character. permission, What do you think of Frogy and how far? Its compatibility with interests Shareholders? Yes, regarding In terms of interests, if we look To those in the know as a whole, they understand They own about 13% of Class "A" shares, but They also have shares Category "B", which retains Only those in the know. To give them voting power.
Adam持有的B类股赋予他们约62%的投票权。因此,通过合并两类股票,Frogy本人持有公司约9%的经济股份,在我看来,对于一家市值一千亿美元的公司来说,内部人士持股比例非常好。
Class "B" shares which Adam possesses it and gives it to them Approximately 62% of rights Vote. Therefore, by collecting Both types of stocks Frogy himself possesses what Approximately 9% as a share Economical in the company, That is what I see as fate. Very good from the property Insiders of a company the size of My market is worth one hundred billion dollar.
当我们转向薪酬时,说实话,看起来都很有趣。基本上,如果我查看所有执行董事,他们的基本工资都是四十万美元,这个数字自公司上市以来从未提高或改变过。
And when we move Regarding salaries, it seems They are all interesting honestly. Basically, if I looked at all Executive directors, They all received Basic salary of Four hundred thousand dollars, This number has not been Raising or changing it since Company offering for subscription The year;
这意味着大多数薪酬方案采取股票形式,而且没有任何与之相关的绩效激励。
Which means that Most compensation packages They take the form of arrows, and She was without any performance incentive It is related to it.
另一点是,他们没有年度激励计划,这可以说让他们至少更专注于长期。但2023年的授权委托书数字让我感到……当然有些宽慰。
There is a point Another point is that they do not They have an incentive plan Annually, which you can To say that he keeps them More focused on Long term on At least. But numbers Power of Attorney for 2023 It makes me feel... A little relief certainly.
表格显示薪酬摘要:Frogy今年赚了超过8300万,技术总监大约6700万。但非常重要的一点是,8300万美元的金额不是现金。他实际上并没有把它装进口袋。这只是授予日业绩授予的会计价值,从技术上讲,它等于零。
Table appears Summary of compensation: Frogy earned over 83 Two million this year, With the technical director's On approximately 67 million, But it is very important Note that the amount of 83 One million dollars is not cash. He actually put it in his pocket. It's simply value Accounting for a grant Performance on the date it was awarded Which was possible Technically, it equals zero.
记住授权委托书文件,坦白说,这些薪酬金额并不反映实际收到的金额。
. Remember the power of attorney document Frankly, these amounts Compensation does not reflect Which were received virtually.
所以,事实实际上有点更糟。他最终获得的实际数字比那8300万美元中的许多要高。这看起来像是一年的巨额薪酬,但我认为我们还需要找出他收到这笔金额的确切原因,因为如果我们看看过去几年,这似乎是一个例外。
So, the truth Actually, it's a kind of worse. what. What ended up being His achievement was in The actual number is higher Many of those 83 One million dollars. Ugh. This seems like compensation Big for one year, but I think we need Also, to find out the reason He received this amount Exactly, because if We looked at the years The last few, It seems to be an exception.
Frogy在过去两年的平均总薪酬为1200万美元。2023年的激增应该是之前激励计划的一部分。这是正确的吗?确实如此。所以,他有一个基于业绩的巨额授予的基础。
I have Frogy got an average Total compensation of 12 One million dollars in The past two years. permission That surge in 2023 You should have been part of it. From a previous incentive plan. Do This is correct? That's exactly what happened. So, he had a basic foundation. This huge grant Based on performance.
现在,细节非常有趣。2023年3月,股价在20美元左右的中档区间波动,公司明显不在市场关注范围内,就像我们现在的情况,或者可能更糟一点。
Now, the details are here. Interesting Extremely. In March 2023, The stock price was fluctuating In the middle range Around the twenties, The company was clearly Outside of market interests, Just like our situation now Or perhaps a little worse.
因此,公司股价实际上下跌了超过90%。在这里,董事会决定授予Farouki甚至技术总监一些业绩单位。这些单位设计为分五次等额支付,但前提是股票达到某些里程碑,这些里程碑在五年期间内从授予价格的2倍到6倍不等。
Thus, shares witnessed The company declined It actually exceeded 90%. Here, the board of directors decided Farouki and even the director granted Executive Technology Some performance units. I have These units were designed To be paid in five installments Equal, but only if The stock achieved certain milestones It ranges between double up to six times the price Grants during a five-year period Years.
但信不信由你,股价在接下来的一年左右以惊人的速度反弹了。
But, in a way that Believe it or not, the stocks have rebounded. At an incredible speed during The following year or thereabouts that.
因此,这五次支付基本上在连续几个季度内完成,这解释了这些巨额收益的发生。发行的总股数约为1700万股,或稀释5%,这不是最低的数字,但看看他们现有股票的长期图表,这绝不是一个小数目。
Therefore, it was Making those payments The five are basically through consecutive quarters, which is This explains the occurrence of these gains Huge. The total amount Issued shares approximately 17 million shares, or a percentage A reduction of 5%, which is Not the lowest number, but when Looking at the drawing long-term graph For their existing shares, they did not It was just a fluke Very small.
好吧,我能做什么?他现在的结论似乎是他们没有基于业绩的管理层激励。我实际上喜欢基于业绩的激励。在明确基于数据的工作中,他们应该有很多不同规模的指标,可以用来激励管理层,而不仅仅是股价。
Okay, what can I do? His conclusion now seems They don't have Incentives based on Performance for management. And I I actually like incentives Based on performance. And in a work that focuses clearly Based on the data, it is expected They have a lot From different scales which they can stimulate The administration based on it Apart from the share price only.
是的,这也让我困惑,但管理层,你知道,我创造了大量的价值。
Yes, this confuses me Also, but the administration, As you know, I have created A large amount of Value.
另外,我不喜欢这种激励结构:每年授予的股票,然后你在一年后完全获得,然后在接下来的一年重复这个结构。我认为更长的归属期对于一致性会更好。
Something else, no I like the structure The incentive is that the shares The exporter is granted every year Then you deserve everything in full A quarter of a year, then it's repeated Its structure in the year the next. I feel that the period The longer entitlement will be Much better for alignment Long-lasting.
然而,至少,已确定最高金额增加略超过1200万,因此,未来这些支付的稀释风险非常低。这是我欣赏的一点。但说实话,关于这种激励结构,我并不太喜欢。也许我会给他一个像“D”这样的评分。
这可能看起来苛刻,确实如此,但对我来说并不鼓舞人心。
However, At least, it was determined The maximum amounts increase A little over 12 million, Therefore, the risk of dilution The future of those Payments are very low That's something I appreciate. but, Honestly, regarding With this incentive structure, I don't really like him. maybe I would give him a grade like "D" This may seem harsh. Very much so, but simply not Inspiring to me.
更希望看到长期应用的激励。我想象一些类似学习的目标,比如利润率。很明显,他们在这方面取得了很好的成果。
Much better to see an incentive Long-term application. I imagine something like, as Learning, a goal for the margins Profitable. It is clear They achieved good results Very much so in this regard.
也许一些与人力效率相关的目标,以及也许一个自由现金流的目标。我认为这将是一个非常好的计划,我认为公司已经实现了这些标准,并且用它来帮助统一管理层目标和股东未来是有意义的。
Perhaps some kind of goal related to head efficiency Money, and perhaps a goal For free cash flow. I think this will be A very good plan, I think The company already realizes Those standards, and it will be It makes sense to use it To help unify Management goals and shareholders in the future.
我同意你的看法。再次,让我们继续。我们的对话是为了消磨时间。我想你知道我喜欢考虑的风险类型,在我们过去几个月一起呈现了多集公司分析之后,我更好地思考了这些风险。
I agree with you on that. And again, let's continue. Our conversation is to pass the time. I think you know the types The risks I like to I think about it better After we presented a number of The episodes together over The past months in Company analysis.
因此,我认为你不会对我深入探讨组织更细节方面的愿望感到惊讶,我们讨论了这项工作及其与应用程序软件等事物的联系,以及它与我公司Alphabet和Meta的某种关系。
Therefore, I don't think you'll be surprised Absolutely, with my desire to Delving into the aspects The organization with more The more detailed the details, the more We discussed this work And the truth of his connection With things like apps Software and its relationship somehow With my companies Alphabet and Meta.
我的问题是,是否存在构成这家公司风险之一的法规。是的,我认为这项工作与一群其他也受到严格监管的巨头公司有关。正如我之前提到的,当公司“Ab”Lovên只考虑寻找买家时,这笔交易最终变成了一个强制干预的案例,因为涉及中国。
My question is whether There are regulations that constitute a type One of the risks of this The company. Yes, and I think this The work is related to a group From the huge companies The other that is subject Also under strict control. As I mentioned earlier, When the company "Ab" Lovên is only thinking about Finding a buyer, The deal turned into The end result is a forced case The organizers of the intervention Because of this involvement Chinese.
所以,这项工作确实存在一些风险。截至上个季度,他们还通过解决与美国证券交易委员会(SEC)持续一年的案件,涉及收集私人数据的做法。
So, there Certainly some risks Related to this work. As of the quarter Lastly, they also By settling a case that lasted A year with the paperwork committee Financial and Exchange Commission (SEC) Regarding practices Collecting private data With them.
调查始于卖空者报告,正如我所料,这些报告声称“父亲Lovren违反了其平台的服务合作伙伴协议”。这些报告由Fuzzy Panda和“Calber Research”发布,在某种程度上,这些报告基本上是押注该股下跌,与其他公司如苹果、谷歌和Meta有关。
The investigation began because Seller reports on The exposed, as I expected, Which claims that "father Lovren violated Partner Service Agreements Its platform. The reports Published by Fuzzy Panda and "Calber Research", and in a way The reports were basic Which bets on a decline The stock relates to companies Others like Apple and Google And Meta.
由 Fuzzy Panda 和 Calber Research 发布,在某种程度上这些报告是基本的,押注于股价下跌,涉及苹果、谷歌和 Meta 等其他公司。据称,报告称他们使用了指纹识别技术,未经授权收集了比他们被允许收集的更多的数据。
Published by Fuzzy Panda and "Calber Research", and in a way The reports were basic Which bets on a decline The stock relates to companies Others like Apple and Google And Meta. It was alleged that Reports that they They used fingerprinting technologies Unauthorized collection More data than before They are allowed to collect it virtually.
然而,考虑到上个季度,他们表示调查已经结束,并且没有任何建议的程序。这类问题可能令人恐惧,尤其是当卖空者公开地、带有攻击性地提出它们时。
However, considering From the last quarter, They stated that the investigation had It was closed and it was not Are there any recommended procedures? In it. Such issues can To be scary, especially When sellers put them up They are openly characterized With aggression.
多年来我听到许多故事,卖空者最终被证明是错误的。但他们因正确而获得报酬,因为他们从股价下跌中获利,这可能会让他们做出各种道德灰色地带的事情,坦率地说。
I heard Many stories on Years have passed since the sellers They were exposed They were wrong in the end. But they are paid To be right Because they profit from The stock price has fallen, and this may Makes them do everything Types of things in gray area Morally, frankly.
但背后肯定有更多故事。股票目前下跌约60%,自8月5日第二季度盈利以来下跌约30%,这在我看来在全年高位上非常好,不是吗?
But there must be More on the story behind Stocks are currently declining By about 60%, and its decrease By approximately 30% since Second quarter profits in August 5th, which seemed to me Very good on a high level The year, isn't it?
他们实现了年收入增长 53%,利润增长 55%。所以,乍一看,第一个似乎很难证明股价下跌的理由。一家这种规模的公司,然而在某种程度上这是一个强劲的季度。
I have They achieved an annual increase in Revenues by 53% And profit growth By 55%. So, at first glance The first one seems difficult Justifying the reason for the price decline A company of this size yet It was a strong quarter to some extent.
这是正确的。至于你关于公开卖空者的观点,我相信事实上他们确实在投资体系中扮演了一个有益的角色。
This is correct. And as for For your point about the sellers Out in the open, I believe in In fact, they do have a role. Good in the system Investment.
如你所知,他们有一种并非共识的观点,而且我相信不幸的是,他们可能会捏造事实,要么让事情变得更糟,要么夸大其词。有时,但他们也会揭露一些事情,最终可能会伤害投资者或他们的客户。
As you know, They have a point of view that is not It is a matter of consensus, and I believe Unfortunately, they may fabricate They either make things worse or exaggerate them. Sometimes, but they They also reveal things It might end up By harming investors or Their customers.
因此,把所有因素都考虑进去,你必须谨慎对待他们所说的话,并真正深入探究你是同意他们还是不同意;或者如果你不相信自己有能力形成观点,因为那将需要很长时间,你可以认为那是避开风险的好迹象。
Therefore, taking Everything is taken into consideration. You have to deal with what They say it with some caution And to truly delve into what Do you agree with them or no; Or if you don't You believe you are capable of Forming an opinion because of that It will take a long time You can consider that Good sign to avoid The arrow.
但是,回到你关于股价下跌的观点。我有点同意你。对我来说这似乎也很奇怪,因为 AppLovin 不在我的私人观察名单上,我不得不深入分析以了解事件的原因,并试图理解它。
But, going back To your point about the decrease the price. I agree with you somewhat. It seems Strange to me Also, since AppLovin The company was not on the list My private surveillance, I had to dive In-depth analysis to understand the cause of the incident That and trying to understand it.
所以,我不知道股价下跌是否有具体原因。也许这归因于多种不同的因素。我看到了三个非常强烈的可能性,我认为它们让市场高度警惕。第一个是收入低于预期。第二个是第三季度指引显示未来增长有所放缓。第三个是他们还下调了利润率预测。
So, I don't know what If there is a specific reason Because of the decline in stocks this fate. Perhaps that will return Due to a number of factors Different. I see three Very strong probabilities I think it set the market On high alert. The first was a decrease Revenue from Agreed expectations On it. The second was that Third quarter forecast For the future, things have slowed down. To a small extent. And the third It is that they also reduced Their profit margin forecasts.
老实说,如果我站在 AppLovin 的贡献者的立场上,这一切可能会让我有点害怕。收入回落在我看来似乎影响最小。它低于预期 2000 万或 2%。所以,我不太重视它。
Honestly, if I put myself AppLovin's contributors' place, from It is possible that all of this A society that will terrify me a little. to retreat The revenue seems to me least impactful on Most likely. It was less From the forecast of 20 One million or 2%. So, I I don't give much importance to it. Therefore.
但增长放缓和利润率放缓肯定是我认为可能吓到投资者的东西,因为他们可能会想:“嗯,也许这是新的常态,也许未来会继续下滑。”
But slowing growth And slowing profit margins It is certainly something I see It might scare Investors, because you may She thinks: "Well, maybe this It is the normal situation The new one, and perhaps it will continue In the future decline"
在我研究这家公司的过程中,在我看来还有其他几点值得一提。第一是他们的披露存在模糊性。很少看到一家科技公司没有投资者演示文稿。
While I was researching this The company, there are a few points Others worth mentioning in My opinion. The first was ambiguity Their disclosures. It is rare Very much a vision of a technology company Without a presentation For investors.
但是,AppLovin 没有为投资者提供演示文稿,这我觉得很奇怪。
But, "Lovren's father" is not She has an offer for investors That's something I found Very strange.
我的意思是,这可能是我更大的担忧,而这仅仅基于这样一个事实:AppLovin 本质上是一项有效的工作,因为它拥有这种非常好的算法,需要不断改进。
I mean, it's probably bigger I have a fear, and this is based on Only to the fact that "father Lovén is essentially a work Good because she has this Type of algorithm Very good that It needs improvement Continuously.
但我不知道,有些东西我确实不太喜欢,因为在我看来,另一家公司可能只是编写一个更好的算法,然后你的商业模式就完全崩溃了。
But I don't I know, there's something I don't I really like this That's because it seems to me As if another company could Simply writing A better algorithm, and suddenly Your business model is collapsing Entirely.
至少对于 AppLovin,我意识到事情没那么简单,因为他们显然拥有他们收集的个人数据。所以事实上,即使竞争对手设法创建了更好的算法,因为他们可能利用更先进的人工智能,算法对他们来说可能同样有利,仅仅因为他们不拥有 AppLovin 多年来收集的数据集。
At least with "Abu Lovne" "I realize it's not It's that simple because they They clearly possess a collection Their personal data. So In fact, even if A competitor managed to create A better algorithm, because they They might exploit intelligence More artificial It is likely that The algorithm is It is equally beneficial to them Simply because they don't They own a group The data I collected "Abu Lovne" is here on the way Years.
但我想在这里坦诚地说,我认为我几乎不可能真正理解这个数据模型问题。所以我认为这使我没有资格就这个特定话题提供最准确的意见。
But, I think I will be transparent here I say it's impossible Almost for me Understanding the model issue This data, by what means A genuine conviction. So I think this makes me Not qualified to provide an opinion The most accurate information about this The specific topic.
但考虑到风险,我还有一点看法,那就是任何商业上实现如此惊人利润的增长率、资本效率和利润率的工作,都必然会吸引竞争。
but Given the risk Another thing I have an opinion about, It is simply that any work Commercial achieves growth rates Capital efficiency and margins Such an incredible profit! It will inevitably attract competition.
我的意思是,是的,他们有私有数据,但正如我们所学,如果一家公司想寻找其他前进的方式并构建算法,不,有很多东西阻止他们这样做。
I mean, yes, they have Private data, but as Learn, if a company wants Other ways forward And building an algorithm, no There is a lot of It prevents them from doing that .
这让我们想到另一点,那就是他们确实面临很多竞争。这是一个竞争激烈的领域,没有任何领域可以依赖过去的成就和辉煌。
This leads us to something Another, which is that they are facing Indeed, a lot Competition. This is a field Highly competitive, and no It contains any field To rely on what it has achieved From the glories.
因此,不,我认为苹果的11在任何情况下都不会这样做,但好消息是,工作正在到来,你无需费力不断寻找新工作,也无需应对资金充足的聪明竞争。
Therefore, no I think Apple's 11 Do that in any way The circumstances, but from It's good that work is coming Here you go, without having to To exhaust yourself with searching About new works Continuously, as well as Countering smart competition Very well funded.
虽然“苹果11”的情况看起来像是技术的证明,而谷歌和Meta拥有更多元化的商业模式,这使它们成为两家卓越的公司。
While The situation with the "Apple 11" seems It's like proof of Technology, while Google and Meta have More diverse business models This is what makes them Two exceptional companies.
虽然“苹果11”可能会在一个季度或一年左右的时间内对其算法发生某些事情,然后我们现在目睹的情况就会发生。市场处于恐慌状态。
While with "Apple 11," something might happen For its algorithm within a quarter A year or so, then What we are witnessing now is happening. Where it ends The market is in a state of panic.
所以我知道,尽管我的信念是苹果11有一些优势,但它并不像Al-Kafi那样强大,如果你将其与Meta或谷歌这样的公司相比。
So I know that despite My belief is that Apple 11 It has some advantages Certainly, but it Not as strong as Al-Kafi, if you compare it With a company like Meta or Google.
所以,我想在这里指出另一个危险,我认为这可能是我们目睹的上一次季度恐慌的关键因素,那就是这些工作可能在数量生成方面达到饱和阶段。
So, I would like Addressing the danger here Another, I think, is perhaps He was a key factor in Quarterly panic The last one we witnessed, That is, the works may It reaches the saturation stage In terms of volume generation.
正如我刚才提到的关于他们的披露,很难获得真正有意义的数据,但有两个有效且有用的数据点。我们可以获得安装规模和收入。
As I mentioned a little while ago Regarding their disclosures, from Difficult to obtain Really meaningful data But there are two points Valid data And they are useful. We can Get the size Installations and revenues .
我们可以看到,在2024年第三季度,安装规模增长了39%。所以,你知道,他们在那里获得了越来越多的数量。但正如你所知,自今年以来,这两个季度的数字都是负面的。所以,看起来安装规模正朝着错误的方向发展。
We can see that in Third quarter of the year Two years ago, in 2024, the size Installations increased by 39%. So, you know, they were They get more And more volume there . But, as you know, since This year, it was The numbers are negative in both cases. The two quarters. So, it seems that The size of the installations is moving in The wrong direction.
所以,让我们明确一点,我们实际上不知道安装基数的真实规模,因为他们不披露;但他们告诉我们安装规模是按季度还是按年增加或减少,我认为这是真正有效的数据,值得考虑。
And so that Let's be clear, we don't have In fact, any idea of Mounting base size The actual reality, because they do not They disclose it; But they They tell us if The size of the installations increases Or it decreases on a quarterly basis Annually, and I believe this Truly valid data To consider it.
我认为,他们在规模减少的情况下继续增长,这意味着至少他们从其他工作领域获得了更多收入。电子商务是他们在上次电话会议中作为增长引擎强调的东西。
I think that The fact that they continue to grow With reduced size means At least they are reaping the rewards More money from Other areas of work. e-commerce It was something they imposed The light on it in Their last call As a growth engine last.
这不是一个严重的问题,但如果你的规模持续下降,你最终会达到一个无法仅通过提价来解决问题的地步。如果我们看看Tenjin的数据,它专门从事营销分析,他们声称苹果控制着略低于40%的iOS广告和手机游戏用户获取的转移收入。
This is not a problem Terrible, but if it continues Your size is decreasing, it has You reach a point where you can't It solves the problem simply Price increases alone. If we look at the numbers Tenjin, specializing in Marketing analytics, understanding They claim that Apple controls Even at slightly less than 40 % of transfer revenues iOS Ads and Acquisition Users of games Mobile phone.
它作为最大的经纪平台,运营着大约55%的顶级游戏和超过73%的移动游戏先驱。正如你所看到的,他们确实在很大程度上闯入了这个市场。这解释了他们在其他领域寻求多元化和吸引客户的大部分原因。
It works Max brokerage platform on Operating approximately 55% of Top-grossing games And more than 73% of games mobile phone The pioneer. As you can see, it has They broke into this market Indeed, to a large extent. This explains most of the reason Their pursuit of diversification and attraction Customers in other sectors.
我认为,一方面,他们以一种明显良好的方式渗透了市场,这给了他们长期继续从该市场份额中获利的希望。
I think, on the one hand, that they They penetrated the market in a way Clearly good, this He gives them hope of space Long to continue achieving Profit from that share Market-driven.
但另一方面,拥有市场份额可能是一个重大挑战,讽刺的是,原因正是我刚才讨论的,不是吗?如果他们无法获得更多的市场份额,那么销量将在一定程度上枯竭,这将迫使他们尝试在其他地方寻找增长规模。
But on the one hand Other, it could be Having a market share A major challenge Ironically, for reasons Which I just discussed, Isn't that so? If not They are able to acquire On more of the share Marketability, so volumes will dry up Sales to some extent, Which forces them to try Finding growth in size in somewhere else.
让我们看看他们将如何继续发展。由于收入以每年50%的速度增长,这并不容易,而且这是一个很高的天花板。他们为自己和投资者设定了很高的目标。
Let's see how they will continue. Its development because of the increase Revenues at a rate of 50% Annual basis is not important Easy, and this is a high ceiling. They put it very for themselves in front of Investors.
我认为AppLovin增长很多的部分原因是因为他。他们在市场份额增加的过程中接管了销售数量。但现在正如你所说,他们在寻找其他增长方式。
Part of the reason I think AppLovin I grew a lot because of him. They were taking over On sales volumes of During their increased share in The market. But now as You already said, on them Searching for other ways For growth.
所以,虽然我认为AppLovin很可能在未来很多年成为批评的制造者,但我认为投资者明确地对增长感兴趣,而AppLovin上还有更多。
So, while I think AppLovin will be Most likely a generator Criticism for many years Coming, I think Investors are interested Clearly alongside growth There's much more on AppLovin.
所以,一种多样化的方式是,他们有一个应用程序来创建新的社交媒体,它叫做Just from Zero。所以,我不认为Adam Frogey打算让这个应用程序成为Instagram或TikTok的竞争对手,坦率地说,他不需要那样做来得到他想要的东西。
So, one way to diversify They have an app to create New social media It is called Just from Zero. So, I don't think Adam Frogey intends to This application is Instagram or TikTok The one coming in any case from The situation, frankly, is He doesn't need that. To get what he wants From him.
我的猜测是,Just只是他可以用类似方式拥有的移动游戏工作室,你知道,那些只是购买最终产品,实际用户使用它,从平台收集数据,然后检查这些数据的利润,以改进他们的算法,使其更加先进。
My guess is that Just Something he can use In a similar way His ownership of studios Mobile games Those, as you know, are just Buy the final product Which one uses it The actual users, Data is collected from The platform then checks profits from that Data for improvement Their algorithm is even more advanced.
因为许多研发工作通过销售成本流动,我们不知道他们在创建Just上花了多少钱,但如果他能通过持续改进他们的匹配能力来帮助他们在未来几年实现增长,这似乎是一项值得的投资。
Because many Development and research work And development flows through Cost of goods Sold, we don't know The amount they spent on Create Just, but if He could have helped them In achieving growth for a few Other years through Continuing to improve Their matching capabilities It seems like an investment It's worth the cost.
是的,考虑到AppLovin实际上不是一家社交媒体应用公司,我非常不相信这会扩展到成为非常大的东西。但他们在游戏工作室方面做得很好,通过我所看到的,Just评价很好。这是一个令人兴奋的举措,因为它没有任何大声的广告。
Yes, and considering that AppLovin is not actually Media Applications Company Socially, I will have Very low conviction that This will expand to become Something very big, But they did a good job With studios Games, and through what I saw it, Just reviewed it Very well. She was Exciting initiative To be concerned because it did not You enjoy any kind of Loud advertisements.
我实际上是通过我的朋友发现的,他在网上做了一些研究。他们讨论这件事有点奇怪,但我认为这反映了“Ab Lovén”在有限披露方面的一贯做法。
I actually discovered It's through my friend Who did some research Online. from It's rather strange that They discuss this matter. But I think it reflects "Ab Lovén's" ongoing approach In limited disclosure.
在这个阶段,这看起来非常投机,但我可以想象一个世界,他们可以扩展和获取他们想要的数据,这可能会加强他们的增长路径。
It seems speculative Extremely so at this stage But I can imagine A world where they can Expansion and acquisition The data that They want it, which may strengthen Their growth paths.
但同样,由于我们可用的信息很少,很难对这个想法形成强烈的信念。
But Again, with few Available information For us, it is very difficult Forming a strong conviction With this idea.
而现在,公司“Ab Lovin”还有另一个增长引擎,那就是电子商务。到目前为止,这是一个强劲的增长引擎,该行业在上一季度增长了约28%,超过了假期高峰,尽管通常这是一个较弱的季度。
And now, There is another growth engine For the company "Ab Lovin", which is E-commerce. This has been a growth engine Strong so far, where This sector grew by approximately 28% In the last quarter Exceeding the peak Holidays, although it is usually Which is a quarter weaker.
但是,你知道,这也创造了另一个问题,那就是它不属于“Ab Lovén”的核心专长。例如,当你在手机游戏中展示“Ab Lovne”广告时,它往往会持续一段时间,范围从15到30秒。
But, you know, this It also creates another problem That is, it is not from The core of "Ab Lovén's" specialization Live. For example For example, when you display " "Ab Lovne" advertisement in It's a mobile game, so it tends to Until it continues for a period of time It ranges from 15 to 30 second.
但广告商,对于小型电子贸易公司的转移,他们倾向于使用静态图像或专门为Meta广告或“Google”设计的动态产品目录。
But advertisers, For transfer in trading companies small electronic And the average, they tend To use still images or product catalogs Designed dynamic Specifically for Meta ads Or "Google."
话虽如此,他们可能需要一些时间来改进这个领域的广告,以特别适合手机游戏。
That said, It may take some Time so that they can Improving ads in This sector to suit Specifically, mobile games.
如你所知,需要改变格式,为了使这个市场可行,必须填补循环结束时的差距。所以,有一个问题悬而未决:中小型公司准备好改变他们的广告方式了吗?
As you know, it will be necessary Change the format, and in order This market is viable To continue, those must be blocked. The gap at the end The circumambulation. So, there A question looms The question is: Are the companies small and medium Ready to change the way Announcing it?
如果他们以为通过使用“Axon”能在广告支出上获得更好的回报,那么他们正朝着那个方向前进,但这仍然给他们制作特定优化广告带来了一些困难。
And if They thought they could Get a better return On advertising spending Using "Axon", it lost They are heading in that direction, but this He still creates some The difficulties they face in producing Specifically optimized ads
我认为公司的愿景是拥有多个增长驱动力是好的,但我知道“father Lovên”严重依赖“Axon”模式,如果这种形式对广告商来说在支出上能产生最佳效果,他们会选择强调替代方案。
I think it's good The company's vision is to possess Multiple growth drivers, But I know that "father Lovên relies heavily Larger than the "Axon" model If the form is submitted Best for advertisers Prices on spending The advertiser, they will choose him Emphasizing alternatives.
但另一个问题是,因为他们不断更新算法,可能会经历业绩低于预期的时期。根据管理层的说法,这似乎就发生在刚刚过去的季度。
But the other problem is That is because they They update the algorithm Constantly, it may pass periods in which Performance was below expectations That seems to be the case - according to For the administration - that it has happened Just in the last quarter.
所以,理论上,如果他们在第二季度之后直接发布更新,模型在广告支出上提供了更高的回报,他们可能会在下一季度及以后看到收入数据的实质性改善。
So, theoretically, if They released an update after The second quarter directly, The model provided a return Higher on spending Advertising, they may witness A tangible improvement in Their revenue figures For the next quarter and beyond .
是的,这是工作的一部分。你可以同时从正面和负面来看待它。正面是因为算法为广告商创造了更高效的产品效率,但负面是因为如果模型落后于竞争对手,或者更新节奏不稳定,你就会得到像我们最近看到的那种数字。
Yes, that's part of the job. Which you can consider Positively and negatively in At one time. It is positive because The algorithm creates Clearly a more productive product Efficiency for advertisers, but It's also negative because if The model lagged behind its competitor Or if the rhythm The update is unstable. You will get numbers like The ones we saw recently.
因此,我想提到的另外两个增长驱动力是扩展平台产品。他提到的三个领域是无关游戏的应用、开放网络,然后是互联电视。目前看来,这似乎不是一个主要优先事项,也没有明确的时间表。所以,值得关注,但目前似乎优先级很低。
Therefore, Other growth drivers The two I would like to mention here They are expanding the side platform the offer. Fields The three he mentioned Ogilvy is the apps Unrelated Games and the web Open, then Connected television. in At the present time, it does not seem That this is a priority Major, and unspecified A real timeline for him. So, it's worth it Follow-up, but it seems Currently as a priority Very low.
然后,如你所知,有一个百分比扣除。我之前提到过,这个价格是由广告商支付的,而不是由他支付的。开发者实际获得的广告收入是因为“Ablofen”从这笔金额中分得一份。
then There is, as you know, a percentage Deduction. I mentioned Previously, the price that It's paid for by advertisers, not by him. What a developer gets actual advertising space Because "Ablofen" gets On a share of this amount.
再说一次,我们不知道这个数字是多少,也不知道它来自哪里。显然,我们无法从财务报告中得知,而且我怀疑我们将来能否发现你没有内部信息的情况。
Again, we don't know What is this number, and who is it from? Clearly, we cannot His knowledge from the reports Finance, and I doubt that we We will find out in the future what You had no information Interior.
Ablofen作为代理商记录收入,在扣除支付给发布商的费用之后。因此,总金额从未显示。没有总发票项目,没有支付条款,也没有按地理区域分类的收入细节。因此,你甚至无法将“Max”(MAX)从广告平台的实际状况中分离出来。
Ablofen Recording revenue As an agent, after deducting what You pay it to the publishers. Therefore, The total amount is not shown. never. There is no item For total invoices, No payment clause Publishers, and details Revenues categorized by Geography only. Therefore, You can't even detach "Max" (MAX) About the advertising platform The actual situation.
再次强调,30%到40%之间的估计只是一个猜测,不是我能从“Ablofen”实际提取的东西。管理层本季度唯一提到的是,Max市场按季度年化增长了一倍,而Ablofen的净收入仅增长了4.4%。
once again, The estimate that ranges Between 30 and 40% is just A guess, not something. I can extract it Actually from "Ablofen". The only thing that The administration addressed it. This quarter is that the market Max grew by Double on a quarter basis annual, while it grew Ablofen revenues Net at only 4.4%.
我们可能会倾向于解释为“Ablofen”拿得更多,但实际上恰恰相反。如果发布商的资金增长比“Ablofen”的资金增长快得多,这意味着“Ablofen”实际上在总回报中占的份额更小。
We might be tempted to explain that That "Ablofen" takes More, but the matter It actually refers to The opposite. If money Publishers are growing rapidly Faster than money "Ablofen," this means That "Ablofen" gets in The reality is on a smaller share of Total returns.
即使在这个结论上我也会谨慎,因为“Max”是一个承载“meta”订单、Google和Unity以及Aplofen自身请求的市场。所以,发布商的利润可能会因为竞争对手在“Max”内以更强的竞价力而快速增长。
I will be Be careful even in this The conclusion is that "Max" A market that carries "meta" orders Google and Unity In addition to requests Aplofen's own. So, Publishers' profits can To definitely grow Hurry just because Competitors are bidding With greater power inside "Max".
我想说的是,这是竞争密度的指标,而不仅仅是扣除百分比的指标。因此,我提交了Frogy,这证明了游戏类别健康状况良好,也许这是真的,但它并没有告诉我们关于扣除份额的任何信息。
And I would like to say that It is an indicator of density Competition is more than just being An indicator of the percentage Deduction. Therefore, I submitted Frogy, that's proof of The games category has In good health, and may be That's true, but it's not Tell us anything about The deducted share.
如果能获得更多关于这方面的数据就好了,但这很难。实际上,由于他们神秘的披露,很难断言任何事情。好吧,伙计们,这一天已经很长了。我认为现在是估算“Ab Lovin”公司内在价值的最合适时机。所以,我把这个领域留给你们。Kyle会处理的。
It will be It's great to get More data about This is true, but it's difficult. Truly, asserting anything Due to their disclosures Mysterious. Well, it was a day It's been a long time, guys. I think time The current one is the most suitable To reach our estimation intrinsic value For the company "Ab Lovin". Therefore, I'll leave the field to you. Kyle will take care of it.
是的。好的,我首先说“Ab Lovén”是一家非常令人兴奋和有趣的公司。一家增长如此之快的公司以如此便宜的价格交易,这在市场上非常罕见,但有时确实会发生,如果你发现市场对公司的看法完全错误,那么你就能获得可观的利润。
Yes. Okay, I'll start By saying that "Ab Lovén" It's an exciting company Very interesting. that A company growing this fast It trades at a cheap price. A very rare occurrence in The markets, but it happens Sometimes, and if you discover The market is completely wrong Regarding the company, you can Then, a substantial profit will be achieved. very.
就我的情况而言,我基本上假设公司将继续实现收入累计增长,但增长率略高于17%。这意味着收入将继续放缓。这就是我们在市场上看到的他不喜欢的情况。这是一个非常保守的假设,管理层预计短期增长约47%,但我着眼于5年的期限,我假设规模将继续下降,电子商务将不会提供任何显著的贡献,如果它首先被提出的话。
Regarding my case Basically, I assume that The company will continue to Achieving cumulative growth in Its revenues are decreasing by a percentage A little over 17%. This This means that the revenues It will continue to slow down. This is what we saw in the market He doesn't like it. This is an assumption Very conservative where Management anticipated growth By approximately 47% in the long term Short, but I look To a horizon of 5 years, I assume the size It will continue to decline And that trade Electronic will not provide Except for a very slight payment, If you presented it in the first place.
我假设息税折旧摊销前利润(EBITDA)利润率将停止扩张,保持在77%左右。这比过去十二个月下降了几个百分点。小幅下降是可能的,因为计算在收入中占更大比例,以及现有补偿以股份形式占收入百分比增加,此外还有他们的产品Max的竞争加剧。
I assume that the margins Earnings before interest Taxes and depreciation and consumption (EBITDA) It will stop expanding It will remain around the 77% range. This is a decrease of a few Percentage points for the months The past twelve. A slight decline is possible Because computing constitutes A larger part of Revenues, and increase Existing compensations On shares as a percentage Percentage of revenues, In addition to increasing Competition for their product Max.
最后,我将企业价值倍数应用于息税前利润、折旧和消耗,大约为13倍,这包括随着增长数字持续放缓而进一步下调的重新评估。这比目前交易的19倍水平大幅下降。
Finally, I will apply Enterprise Value Multiplier To profits before Interest and taxes Depletion and consumption By approximately 13 times, which is Includes reassessment Further towards a decrease With the continued slowdown Growth figures. This is a step Large down from the level The 19 times that are He is trading now.
但我认为这与他们倍数触底的情况一致,当时股票此前并不被高度青睐,而且我认为这很可能在未来发生。因此,基于这些假设和30%的安全边际,考虑到波动的程度和这项工作的巨大性,得出大约480美元的价格,这提供了9%的复合年增长率。
But I think that It aligns with a type of The bottom for their multiples When the stocks were not Highly preferred Previously, and it is a result I think it's very likely in the future. So, with These assumptions and margin 30% safety, with Consider the degree of volatility The enormousness of this work, Get a price of Approximately $480, which Provides annual growth rate Compound at a concentration of 9%.
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And by the way, if you want Try the model yourself. You can find Link in notes The episode below, as You can register in Our newsletter Free from value Al-Jawhariya via the website theinvestorspodcast.com for Based on in-depth analyses For the companies we cover In the podcast. We will put the registration link in Newsletter in Episode notes also
但是Cal,他持什么立场?今天的工作是:我的投资观点是什么?我们是否应该将其添加到我们的核心价值投资组合中?是的,简而言之,我对这项工作的看法是,我会避开它。我相信尽管这项工作肯定提供了很大的上行潜力,而且我认为在极其保守的假设下,有一条实现中双位数甚至可能高达二十几的回报路径。
但我不认为我会对这项工作感到足够舒适,从而将其添加到内在价值投资组合中,甚至添加到我的个人账户中。
But Cal, where does he stand? This job is for you Today's perspective My investment? And should We need to add it to Value portfolio Our core values? Yes, in very brief terms, My opinion on this work is I will avoid him. I believe Although Work definitely provides Lots of potential Upward trend, and I see that There is a path to achieving Returns in the middle Dozens, or perhaps as many as To the twenties, under conservative assumptions Extremely. But I don't I think I will feel With sufficient comfort Regarding this work To add it to the wallet Intrinsic value or Even to my personal account.
如你所知,现实中存在阻碍其持续增长的障碍。此前,高增长率的公司我以为会逐渐消退,结果发现增长率完全停止,而且评估的复杂性极其痛苦。所以,不重复是更好的经验。而且我犯这个错误的部分原因可能是我对工作缺乏足够的理解,而这本应是投资的首要前提,事实上,我对这项工作也有非常相似的感觉。
As you know, there are obstacles Reality in the face of continuity Their growth has been damaged. Previously from companies with High growth rates I assumed it would fade away Slowly, to find the growth rate It stops completely, and it was Reduced complications The evaluation is painful Extremely. So, it It's a better experience not to repeat. . And part of the reason is My making this mistake Perhaps it was my lack of understanding To work adequately Which should have He has to take that Investing in the first place First, and the truth is that I I feel very similar Regarding this work as well.
如果这项工作成功表现良好,那是我会为股东鼓掌的案例之一。当然,但我不会因为不参与而感到遗憾。我认为还有其他我报道过的公司,它们对我来说更有意义,其预期结果在几年后对我来说更清晰。
If this work is successful Performing well, it is one Those cases that I will applaud the shareholders. Certainly, but I won't I feel no regret for Staying away from Participation. I think that There are other companies I covered it, it looks more That makes sense to me. Where the results Expected after a few clearer years For me.
像AppLovin这样具有不同商业模式的公司的例子,如Lift、Go或Wise,在我看来,这些公司可能不具备AppLovin那样的上行能力,但其基本状态对我来说更容易理解,因此它们位于内在价值投资组合中,而不是AppLovin。
companies with Different business model Exactly like AppLovin, such as Lift, Go, or Wise, it seems to me Companies that may not own Same capabilities AppLovin's upward trend, but Its basic state Much easier for me To understand it, and for this reason It is located in a wallet intrinsic value Not AppLovin.
是的。是的,完全正确。我个人认为这项工作对我来说极其困难。可能比我聪明的人知道他们足够了解程序化广告行业的细节,从而在最近一次出售后对购买AppLovin股票有强烈的信念。
Yes. Yes, exactly. I Personally, I think this The work is extremely difficult For me. He may feel People smarter than me know that They understand the details of the sector Programmatic advertising enough to own Strong conviction to buy AppLovin shares after the operation Last sale.
投资的好处在于,你可以选择你捕捉到的机会,这是我们在本节目中经常喜欢说的另一件事。许多股票可以实现出色的表现,并不意味着你不会成功。但你不能容忍的是在不了解其工作本质的公司中犯下严重错误。
And the great thing In investment, it means that You can choose opportunities Which it captures, and that is something Another thing we like to say a lot In this program. Many stocks can To achieve outstanding performance Without meaning that you won't You can achieve success. But what you cannot tolerate It is committing serious mistakes In companies that don't understand The nature of her work.
完全正确。我相信你会继续看到我们在那些我们最终不会拥有的公司中取得我们应得的收益和损失,如你所知,因为我们看了很多公司。所以,我认为在建模时,我们不仅要考虑价格,还要考虑我们对公司工作性质的了解程度。
exactly. i believe you You will continue to see us We achieve our fair share of Gains and losses in Companies that never end By possessing it, as You know, because we We look at a lot of Companies. So, I think That when it comes Through modeling, we must We take into account not Not just the price, but also How comfortable we are with our understanding Due to the nature of the company's work.
我听说一些投资者说价值不是绝对的,因为如果价格便宜,你总能找到理由拥有它。但就个人而言,我不同意这种说法。如果我缺乏对一家公司运作的良好理解,除非它几乎是免费的,否则我会认为不投资是错误,我会放弃并选择远离。就是这样。
I've heard some investors They say the value is not There is a company that is "no" Never definitive, because if The price was cheap. That's enough, you can always Finding a way to justify Own it. But personally, I don't think I agree with This proposal. If you I lack the ability to Understanding the workings of a company Good, unless I get It's almost free. I will consider the lack Investing in it is a mistake I will abstain and choose Stay away. That's all.
我们今天为你准备了这些,但按照我们的惯例,在结束之前,我想留给你一句引言。这句引言来自Applebee's的首席执行官Adam Furugi。我从不相信通过节省一段时间来积累强度。
我觉得我相信我们正在建设的东西。我相信我们前进的方向。所以,如果我们相信我们是一家高现金流动性的公司,我们必须始终回购我们的股票。
We have it for you today, but As is our custom before we conclude, I would like to leave you with quote. This quote From the CEO For Applebee's, Adam Furugi. I never believed By saving money for a while Intensity. I feel that I believe I am very keen on what we are building. I believe in the direction that We walk towards it. So, if I believed in the future We are a high-yielding company From cash liquidity, We must always "Repurchasing our shares."
我认为这是一句精彩的引言,而且我认为Adam在回购操作中做得很好。未来几年我们需要跟进,看看接下来会怎样。回购将最后一次进行,但随着业务的持续增长,我认为它也会被以积极的方式看待。
I think this is a quote Wonderful, and I see that Adam did Doing very well in Repurchase operations yet. It will be necessary We need to follow up during The few years Let's see how it goes next. Replays will The last purchase, but With continued growth Business, I think it It will be looked at In a positive way too.
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