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Micro Cap Activism: Buying a Stake in a Company Nobody Else Wants
The Acquirers Podcast发布 2026-08-05 · 11 段内容
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所以,当我第一次在2025年3月31日见到董事长时,他还在招聘CEO的过程中。但到CEO在2025年5月初加入时,我已经在她上任后大约3天就开始与CEO交换电子邮件。我帮助CEO的主要目标是协助协调年度会议,因为我们需要这样做。

我们需要成为一个合法的企业。但也帮助制定投资者演示文稿和公司未来的战略,因为CEO刚刚加入。之前的CEO,我认为在战略上有些差异。所以我们在创建投资者演示文稿时基本上是在制定新战略。这就是我被聘请到阿玛尼诺食品公司要做的事情。

So, when I first met with the see the chairman uh March 31st of 2025, he was still in the process of um hiring a CEO. But by the time the CEO joined in early May of 2025, I was already changing emails with the CEO um like 3 days after she had started. And the goal for me to help the CEO was primarily to help um coordinate the annual meeting because we needed we needed to do this. We needed to be a legit business. But also help develop an investor presentation and strategy for uh the company going forward because the CEO had just joined. The prior CEO, the I think there was a little bit differences in strategy. And so we're basically creating a new strategy as we're creating this investor presentation. Um and so that was kind of what I was brought on to at [clears throat] Armanino Foods.

这是一家位于湾区、专门向餐饮服务公司销售冷冻香蒜酱的公司。所以主要考虑餐厅,但在餐饮服务领域也包括邮轮、酒店、大学、小型餐饮服务运营商,甚至工业类公司。所以,任何不是面向杂货店的东西。

那是他们的主要产品,也是他们的主要产品线。投资组合中还有其他SKU,但那是业务的主体。

So, it's a company located out of the Bay Area that specializes in selling frozen pesto to food service companies. So, think primarily restaurants, but within that food service space is also cruises, hotels, universities, like small food service operators, even like industrial kind of uh uh companies. So, anything that isn't to the grocery store. And that's their primary product and that's their primary product line. There's some other SKUs in portfolio, but that's the bulk of the the business.

他们曾是场外交易且非SEC申报公司。所以,他们在纳斯达克上市直到2002年或2000年,不,正式是2005年。我认为自那以后,董事会的理由是我们要节省成本并购买资金。直到一位新CEO上任,公司治理的态度才发生转变。

公司通过退市确实节省了很多钱。我认为股东本可以长期受益于更好的公司治理,但我认为现在公司治理正在建立起来。

They were OTC and non-SEC filing. So, they were Nasdaq listed up until 2002 or 2000 No, it was 2005 officially. And um um I think since then their justification by the board was that we wanted to save costs and buy money. And it wasn't until a new CEO that there was a shift in attitude in corporate governance. The company did save a lot of money by by delisting. Um and I think shareholders would have benefited for a long time with a better corporate governance, but I think the corporate governance is being set in in place now.

是的。是的。是的。是的。他们支付的股息支付率几乎超过50%。公司基本上从2010年到2024年或2025年,如果剔除现金,它几乎产生了100%的投入资本回报率。这是一项极其盈利的业务,年增长率在6%到8%之间。所以所有这些都直接转化为自由现金流。

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were paying almost a 50% plus dividend payout ratio. Um the company was essentially from 2010 up until like 2024 or 2025, it was generating generating almost 100% returns on invested capital if you take out the cash. Um it was an extremely profitable business and it was growing between 6% and 8% per year top line. So all that is translating straight into free cash flow.

所以,我想股东没有理由一定要要求召开年度股东大会,因为已经有良好的资本配置,而且公司在成本意识方面相当便宜。没有其他公开交易的公司能有如此高的毛利率或如此高的EBIT运营或自由现金流利润率。

Um and so there wasn't I guess a reason for shareholders to necessarily um demand an annual shareholder meeting because there was already good capital allocation set and the company was quite cheap in terms of being conscious of costs. Like there's no other There's not really another publicly traded company that has such high gross margins or such high EBIT operating or free cash flow margins.

那目前正在董事会考虑中。我现在没有为公司提供咨询或签约,所以那是他们的决定,但公司之前曾公开表示希望进入纳斯达克。他们在2024年升级到了OTCQX。目前的主要焦点是确保CEO制定好运营和战略。

这是一个稍微新的战略,而且他们刚刚签署了一份91,000平方英尺设施的租约。背景是,他们自1997年以来一直使用的旧设施是25,000平方英尺。所以他们正在经历一场大规模转型,真正为未来增长扩大规模。

Um that's being in consideration right now at the board. Um I I am not uh consulting or contracted with the company right now, so uh that's that's their decision, but um the company has publicly stated before that um it is a desire to get onto Nasdaq. Um they did upgrade to OTCQX in 2024. Um the primary focus right now is making sure the CEO has a the operations and strategy set. Um it's a new slightly newer strategy and also they just signed a lease for a 91,000 square foot facility. The context of is that the old facility which they had since 1997 it's 25,000 square feet. So they're they're going through a big big transformation in terms of really scaling for for future growth.

当公司上市时,他们以股票代码 b l u e blue 交易,他们这样做的原因是为了筹集资金推出一个意大利面酱系列,将在杂货店销售,该意大利面酱系列与弗兰克·西纳特拉合作,所以股票代码是 blue,然后意大利面酱的名字是 Artanis,它也在推出香肠。像纽曼自有品牌一样。

when the company went public they went under the ticker b l u e blue and the reason why they did that is because they were raising money to launch a pasta line that would be sold in pasta sauce line that would be sold in grocery stores and the pasta sauce line was in partnership with Frank Sinatra and so the ticker was blue and then the pasta sauce name was Artanis which is is also launching a sausages. Like Newman's Own.

你可以想象,这并没有成功。虽然还有其他名人的意大利面酱或酱料或调味品系列取得了成功,对吧?纽曼,他有大量的调味品系列,仍然在全国数千家商店销售,但弗兰克·西纳特拉的没有。所以公司专注于香蒜酱,这确实是他们的主要业务,自那以后公司继续上市,家族仍然参与,他们仍然持有非常大且可观的股权,然后阿玛尼诺家族仍然是董事会的一部分,所以它仍然感觉像一家家族关联公司,只是它在公开市场上。

对我来说,作为一个集中的小盘微型盘投资者,这正是我喜欢看到的。

as you can imagine it did not work. Although there were other celebrities with pasta sauce lines that or sauce or dressing lines that have worked right like Newman right he has a large line of dressings that are still sold throughout thousands of stores across the country but Frank Sinatra's did not so um the company doubled down just on the pesto sauce which was really their the bread and butter and since then the company has continued to remain public family still involved they still hold a very large considerable ownership um stake and then um they're still Armanino family as part of the board so it still very much feels like a family affiliated company it's just in the public markets and for me as a concentrated small cap micro cap investor that's exactly what I love to to see

我认为阿玛尼诺食品作为投资者是一次很好的经历,显然自2021年我最初投资以来,至少还没有成为一个错误,但在咨询公司之后,我意识到了一些事情。最重要的事情之一是资本配置与核心竞争动态之间的关系,这就是我现在在寻找的。

所以,当我投资阿玛尼诺食品时,它有净现金。它基本上没有商誉。而且它没有发行过任何股权。

I think Armanino Foods was a great experience as an investor obviously it's it hasn't been a mistake at least yet since my initial investment in 2021 but but after also consulting with the company, I I realized a few things. uh One of the most important things is that this relationship between capital allocation and like competitive dynamics in the core, and that's kind of what I'm I'm looking for now. So, Armanino Foods when I invested, it had net cash. It had basically no goodwill. And it hadn't issued any equity.

通常,当你从定量角度考虑时,如果从未发行过股权,他们怎么会有净现金?如果他们从未收购过另一家公司,这对核心业务意味着什么?这意味着这是一个盈利的核心,有很长的跑道。

And usually, what that means when you think about it on a quantitative basis, how do they have net cash if they've never issued equity? And what does that mean about the core business if they've never acquired another company? This means that this is a This is a profitable core with a long runway.

我在Prax American和阿玛尼诺食品的经历教会我,当你处于一个糟糕的业务中时,很难有良好、稳定、可预测、增值的资本配置。

like my involvement at Prax American and Armanino Foods taught me that it's very hard to have good, stable, predictable, accretive capital allocation when you're in a bad business.

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