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The Software Stock Bottom is IN: Is it TOO LATE to Buy?
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软件已经变得如此便宜,以至于有一段时间,Salesforce 的股票,我们有敞口,我们专门在它大约 165 美元时发出了买入警报,因为它有大约 13% 的自由现金流收益率。

software has gotten so cheap that there was a point where Salesforce stock, which we have exposure to, we sent a buy alert out on Salesforce specifically when it was about $165 because it had about a 13% free cash flow yield.

马克·贝尼奥夫实际上筹集了 260 亿美元的债务,以大约 191 美元的价格回购了 250 亿美元的股票。所以我们看了这个设置,我们认为这只股票的市盈率大约是 0.9 倍。那是市盈率与盈利增长比率。

我们可以以 165 美元买入,比 CEO 回购的价格还低。

And Mark Beni off literally raised $26 billion of debt to buy back $25 billion of stock at about $191. So we looked at that setup and we're like this thing's trading for like a 0.9 peg. Uh that's a price to earnings growth ratio. We can buy it at 165 for less than what the CEO just bought it back for.

尽管底部尚未到来,但当它到来时,鉴于估值如此便宜,可能会相当猛烈。所以 Salesforce 只是软件行业触底的一个例子。

And even though the bottom's not in yet, when it comes, it'll probably be pretty aggressive given how cheap the valuation is. And so Salesforce is just an example of that bottoming happening in software.

但不仅仅是 Salesforce 飙升。我的意思是,你可以看到当我们在大约 165 美元买入时,在这个较低的区间,它跌得更多。它跌到了 146。但自从第三季度(大约从 7 月开始)以来,我们不仅看到了 Salesforce 几乎完美的上涨,还有我们持有的另一只股票 Palantir。

But it's not just Salesforce that skyrocketed. I mean, you can see when we bought at around 165 in this lower range over here, it fell more. It fell down to 146. But we since the the third quarter roughly the third quarter which started right here in July since the third quarter we had this almost perfect rise in not just Salesforce but another one that we own of exposure to which is Palunteer.

我们知道代币,因为当你查看公司的利润率时,无论是 Salesforce、UiPath 还是 Palantir,随着它们将代币整合到所提供的服务中,代币越来越耗费这些软件公司的资金。

See tokens we know because when you look at margins for companies whether it's at Salesforce or at UiPath or at Palunteer tokens are increasingly costing these software companies money as they integrate tokens into the services that they're offering.

我给 Salesforce 的公允价值是 458,这仍然是当前价格的两倍。

I've got Salesforce with a fair value of 458, which is still a double from here.

它们引入并启用工具,你可以从中提取数据并使用,无论是存储的工作流、API 访问、数据库访问、Salesforce 访问还是其他。

They bring in and enable tools that you could pull data from and use whether they're stored workflows or API access, database access, Salesforce access, or whatever.

这在 Salesforce 也是如此。

This is true at Salesforce.

Salesforce 整合的一家公司 Lorraa,他们似乎是一个大赢家。

A company that Salesforce integrates with, Lorraa, they seem to be a great winner.

所以如果我们现在跳到 Salesforce 的文件,我们可以得到一些关于危险信号所在的线索。请记住,我们持有 Salesforce。我们对 Salesforce 有敞口,对 Palantir 也有敞口。

我们在这上面是盈利的。我们非常兴奋。我们和课程成员一起研究这些软件股好几个月了。我显然对这些股票有看涨偏见,但我想明确的是,我也会持批评态度。所以这就是为什么我要从一些危险信号开始。

So if we now jump into uh let's go to Salesforce's documents, we could get a little bit of color about where the red flags sit. So and keep in mind we own Salesforce. We're exposed to Salesforce, exposed to Palunteer. Like we're up on these. We're really excited about them. We've been studying these software plays for months with our course members. And I do have obviously an upside bias on these, but I want to be clear. I'm also going to be critical. So that's why I'm going to start with some of the red flags here.

如果我们在这里看到一个危险信号,我们可以看到Salesforce告诉我们,他们的主要收入增长来自新业务,这不仅包括新客户,还包括现有客户的额外订阅。定价并不是收入的重要驱动因素。

现在,这可能是一把双刃剑。我可以说我们现在要吸引客户,以后再提高价格,或者我们可以争辩说,我们不想提价,因为我们不想让客户取消并离开我们。他们不想流失。所以,你不提价,只是试图在不提高现有客户价格的情况下向他们销售更多AI功能。这可能是定价能力减弱的迹象。这一点很重要。

If we jump into a red flag over here, we can see that Salesforce is telling us that their primary increase in revenue came from new business, which includes not only new customers, but also additional subscriptions from existing customers. that pricing was not a significant driver for revenues. Now, that could cut both ways. I could say we're going to hook people now and raise pre raise prices later, or we could argue that we didn't want to take pricing because we didn't want to get people to cancel and leave us. They didn't want the attrition. So, you don't take pricing and you just try to sell people more AI features without raising prices on the on the existing. That might be a sign of weaker pricing power. That is important.

除此之外,他们在这里说专业服务的支出有所减少。你可以在这里看到专业服务大约下降了4%。为什么?因为对大型多年期转型项目的需求减少了。在我看来,这是一个危险信号。这表明你基本上是在利用现有的这块海绵,你会说:“我们不会提高价格,因为我们不想失去他们,但让我们向他们提供更多AI功能,挤干海绵。”

对我来说,这与他们关于Claw Force的公告是一致的,Claw Force通过Claude无头运行Salesforce。因此,Claude可以直接受控地访问Data 360、Tableau、Slack,以及你所有的Salesforce数据,而无需离开聊天界面。

我有点把这称为你数据的“Palantir化”。你有一个层面,可以在其中与所有这些数据交互,并在需要时获得所需的信息。这很好,因为所有数据都在一个地方,减少了你实际查找数据、更新数据、处理数据的查找时间,让你专注于做决策。

显然,你需要做的决策数量是有限的,但你知道,对我来说,这是好的。当你需要数据来做这些决策时,它让你更高效。

In addition to that, uh they say here there was a decrease in the spend for professional services. Uh which you could see right here about a 4% decline in professional services. Why? Because there was less demand for larger multi-year transformations. In my opinion, that's a red flag. That's a sign that what you're doing is you're basically taking this existing sponge and you're like, "We won't raise the prices because we don't want to lose them, but let's offer them more AI stuff and squeeze the sponge." And to me, that kind of aligns with this announcement that they made regarding Claw Force, that Claw Force runs Salesforce headlessly through Claude. So Claude gets direct governed access to data 360, Tableau, Slack, all your Salesforce crap without leaving the chat. I kind of call this the palunteering of your data. You have one layer that where you can interact with all this data and you get fed what you need when you need it. That's good cuz it's all in one place and then it reduces the lookup time for you actually trying to find data, update data, process data, and it lets you focus on making the decisions. Obviously, there's a limit for how many decisions you really need to make, but you know, to me, this is good. It makes you more efficient when you do need data to make those decisions.

嗯,这意味着如果你没有真正增长,你是否真的能证明这些大幅上涨的价格是合理的?可能暂时如此。这并不意味着它会永远持续下去。在某个时候,公司可能会最终,你知道,如果你通过Claw Force运营,你可能会最终重建Salesforce技术栈,这实际上就是所有这些公司最初被抛售的原因。

每个人都认为人们只会用vibe coding把Salesforce写掉,他们不再需要Salesforce了。现在,这不是真的。但那些痛苦的种子仍然存在。

Well, what it means is if you're not really growing, are you really justifying these massive moves up in price? Probably for now. It doesn't mean it's going to last forever. At some point, companies might end up sort of, you know, if you're operating through clawed force. Uh, you might end up just rebuilding the Salesforce stack, which is literally the reason all of these companies ended up selling off in the first place. Everybody thought people were just going to vibe code away the Salesforce and they won't need Salesforce anymore. Right now, that's not true. But those seeds of pain still exist.

好消息是公司变得非常便宜,尽管他们勉强超过了预期,股价却飙升了,营业利润率达到34.1%,而预期为33.6%。这是一个超预期。但RPO(剩余履约义务)仅增长了14%,这略微不及预期。

订阅超预期,但仅超出28个基点。因此,第三季度的预测也超出了预期,达到114.6亿美元,但仅超出35个基点。所以,从预期与现实的角度来看,这些并不是真正好的盈利。我认为发生的情况是,我们之所以看到这些大阳线,是因为这些股票已经变得太便宜了。它们已经超卖得太厉害了,在SaaS末日中。

The good news is the company got really cheap and even though they barely beat the stock skyrocketed that operating margin came in at 34.1% versus 33.6%. That was a beat. But RPO RPO remaining performance obligations only grew 14% which was a slight miss. Subscriptions beat but only by 28 basis points. So forecast for Q3 also beat at 11.46 billion, but only a 35 basis point beat. So it's like these weren't really good earnings in terms of expectation versus reality. I think what happened is the reason we had these large candles is because these have gotten too cheap. They have gotten too oversold in the SAS apocalypse.

那么让我们看看公司的估值。你知道,这样的公司到底值多少钱?好吧,让我们看看利润表。如果我们看利润表,我们实际上可以看到毛利率有所压缩。我们从毛利率80,这将是83.1%。一旦你减去1,83.1%压缩到81.4%。

毛利率下降了。因此,收入仅同比增长10.8%。稳定,显然比萎缩好,但他们的成本上升了18%。所以,你在这里有缩水的PP。再说一次,我这样说是因为我有一种倾向,对我所接触的事物持批评态度,非常批评。

我应该只是当个啦啦队长,对吧?但我也想看看危险信号,因为那是合理的事情。所以你知道,当该退出的时候,他们把31%降到净额,这真的很好。当你把31%降到底线,从113亿美元中拿出35亿美元,你应该得到2.6的PEG。

所以如果我们真的做估值,加上2.6的PEG乘以未来四年预计每股收益增长10.5%,再乘以他们预计的1月年底每股收益1671,我们得到400中段的估值,老实说,它可能合理地达到400中段,然后动能爆发超过它。

如果你动能爆发超过它,那时你a停止配置,b也许设置一个移动止损,是时候退出了。但为什么要现在退出?你在这个过程这么早。这个东西,这个小狗才刚刚开始爆发,对吧?

So let's look at the valuation for the company. You know, what's a company like this actually worth? Well, let's look at the income statement. So, if we look at the income statement, we can actually see that gross margins compressed a bit. We went from gross margins at 80, this is this would be 83.1%. Once you minus one on it, 83.1% compression down to 81.4%. Gross margin declined. Therefore, revenues are only growing at 10.8% year-over-year. Stable, better than obviously shrinking, but their costs went up 18%. So, you have shrinking PP here. And again, I'm saying this like I have this tendency of being critical, like really critical of the things that I'm exposed to. I should just be the hypeman, right? But but I also want to look at the red flags because that's the reasonable thing to do. So you know when it's time to get out anyway, they're bringing 31% down to the net, which is really good. When you're bringing 31% down to the bottom line, $3.5 billion out of 11.3 billion, you deserve like a 2.6 peg. And so if we actually do the valuation on that add a 2.6 peg times 10.5% projected EPS growth over the next four years times their earnings per share projected January at the end of the year 1671. We get to a valuation of mid 400s and honestly it could probably reasonably hit the mid 400s and then just momentum boom past that. If you momentum boom past that that's when you a stop allocating and b maybe you set a trailing stop and it's time to get out. But like why get out now? It's you're so early in the process. This thing's this puppy's just starting to boom, right?

Legora使用Salesforce进行审计跟踪、治理和合规,等等等等。这些公司现在和未来仍然可以优化和替换Salesforce的潜在担忧是存在的,而无头集成到Claude似乎表明那些潜在问题不会消失,如果出现衰退,你知道,那将是公司可能说“好吧,是时候优化成本了,我们可以在哪里削减”的时候。

Legora uses Salesforce for audit trails and governance and compliance, blah blah blah. the underlying concern that these companies and in the future can still optimize and replace Salesforce exists and going you know headless to integrate into claude kind of suggests that those underlying issues aren't going to go away and if there's ever a recession you know that's going to be the time maybe that the companies are like all right it's time to optimize for costs you know where can we cut

但另一件事是,在某个时候,引入人工智能产品带来的增长也会放缓。如果我们回到这里,我想让你看到AI带来的增长就在这里。它现在增长得比核心业务快。核心传统业务在这里。所以,我会用橙色突出显示。

Agent Force应用,Agent Force仅同比增长7.6%。无头和Data 360的AI东西增长了20%。所以,你现在从向现有客户销售这些AI产品中获得了更多收益。只要这种情况持续增长,你就能继续看到这只股票上涨。

那是我的预期。一旦这种增长开始放缓,那就会成为你更大的危险信号。

But another thing is at some point the growth from introducing artificial intelligence products slows as well. If we go back over here, I want you to see growth from AI is right here. It is growing right now faster than the core business. The core legacy business is right here. So, I'll highlight it in orange. Agent Force apps, Agent Force only grew 7.6% year-over-year. The headless and the data 360 AI stuff that grew 20%. So, you are getting more gains right now from selling those AI products to the existing customers. As long as that keeps growing, you could keep seeing this stock go up. That's my expectation. Once that growth starts slowing down, that becomes your bigger red flag.

所以这就是利润表。那就是收入的来源。如果你看资产负债表,我们确实有长期债务,450亿美元,大部分融资成本大约比国债高1.5%。那是你的利差,你的收益率利差。然后大约250亿美元用于以每股约191美元的价格回购自己的股票。

他们有足够的现金来支付账单,他们的现金流收益率仍然很好。他们现在的收益率约为7%。即使这只股票被完全定价在约450美元,它仍然会产生3.5%的现金流收益率,这比Palantir的约1%或CrowdStrike的不到1%要好得多。

So that's the income statement. Uh that's where the income's coming from. If you look at the balance sheet, we do have long debt, $45 billion, mostly financed at about one and a half% greater than treasuries. That's your spread, your yield spread. And then about 25 billion was used to uh buy the dip on their own stock at about $191 per share. They have enough cash to pay their bills and their cash flow yield is still good. They are yielding about 7% right now. And even if this stock gets fully priced at about $450, it would still yield a 3.5% cash flow yield, which is way better than the 1-ish% that Palanteer yields or the less than 1% that uh CrowdStrike yields.

所以SaaS复苏,第三季度第四季度触底。是的,这肯定在发生,这很好,我真的很高兴。我对此心存感激。它能继续吗?比如现在进入Palantir或Salesforce是不是太晚了?我的观点是答案是否定的。我认为这些股票还能继续上涨。

So SAS recovery Q3 Q4 bottom. Yeah, it's definitely happening which is great and I'm really happy for that. I'm grateful for that. Can it keep going? Like is it too late to get into Palunteer or Salesforce? My opinion the answer to that is no. I think these guys can still go.

但如果你要进入那些股票,你必须把它们看作仍然有潜在的危险信号。一些你应该注意的。显然,我们在这里已经讨论过了。那些是我正在关注的。你可能有你自己的危险信号。这样你就可以在仍然谨慎的情况下接触这些股票,如果你愿意的话。这仍然是一项投资,对吧?不要和它结婚。

But if you're going to get into those stocks, you have to look at them as they still have underlying red flags. some of the ones that you should pay attention to. Obviously, we've talked about here. Uh those are the ones that I'm paying attention to. You might have your own red flags that you look at. Uh and and that's how you can have an exposure to this while still being uh careful, if you will. It's still an investment, right? Don't get married to it.

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他自己说在等的东西,一段话一条记录。同一件事说过几次就出现几次,我们不合并,也不判断它有没有兑现。

Growth rate of AI products (Agent Force, Data 360) relative to core legacy business
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Pricing power and professional services demand
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Meet Kevin 在这只股票上共 7 条判断,这里只列相邻的几条。

2026-08-28看涨本条
软件已经变得如此便宜,以至于有一段时间,Salesforce 的股票,我们有敞口,我们专门在它大约 165 美元时发出了买入警报,因为它有大约 13% 的自由现金流收益率。
2026-08-28看涨
Salesforce,让我们看看Salesforce。Salesforce今天仍然在蓬勃发展。
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