CoreWeave面临显著下行风险,因资产负债表不佳(高债务/低现金)以及过度资本开支导致的负自由现金流。
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Coreweave是最值得买入的Neocloud。华尔街对Coreweave有什么不满?这家Neocloud的股价已经停滞了12个月。
Cororeweave is the best Neocloud buy. What does Wall Street have against Cororeweave? Shares of the Neocloud have been stalled for 12 months.
Coreweave目前的交易价格仅为预期2028年收入的2.2倍,远低于Nebius和Iron。Coreweave拥有最大的业务,预计今年将产生129亿美元的收入,约为Iron的四倍,而Iron又大约是Nebius的四倍。
Coreweave is now trading at just 2.2 times its expected 2028 revenue, well below both Nebius and iron. Cororee has the biggest business expected to generate 12.9 billion in revenue this year about four times that of Iron which in turn is about four or sorry of Nebius which is in turn about four times that of iron.
Coreweave目前运营的数据中心数量最多,至少有51个。它拥有1.5吉瓦的活跃电力,以及另外3.7吉瓦的合同电力。
Core currently has the most data centers in operation at least 51. and it has 1.5 gawatts of active power as well as 3.7 more under contract.
Coreweave的估值折价可能反映了对其过度依赖少数大客户的担忧,尤其是微软,后者几乎占其全部收入。所以你有这种集中风险,超过三分之一的业务。其他大客户,包括Meta和OpenAI。
Cory's valuation discount likely reflects concerns that is overly dependent on a handful of big customers, notably Microsoft, which accounted for nearly all of its revenue. So you have that concentration risk uh for more than a third of its business. Other big customers, including Meta and OpenAI.
Coreweave的问题在于,一些大公司未来可能会不再使用他们的服务。例如,微软比其竞争对手更依赖外部云公司,但它正在大力投资扩大自己的数据中心。
The problem for corewave is that some big firms may move away from using their services in the future. Microsoft, for instance, which relies more on outside cloud firms than its rivals do, is investing heavily in expanding its own centers,
好消息是Coreweave正在多元化。Coreweave与对冲基金Jane Street签署了一项协议。Coreweave在资本使用上也高效得多。每产生一美元收入,其资本支出最低,收入与资本支出之比为2.5比1。
Good news is Corwe is diversifying. Corwe signed a deal with a hedge fund, Jane Street. Query is also far more efficient with his capital. Every dollar generated spent the lowest amount on capex with a ratio of 2.5 revenue to capex 9* 4.
投资者可能担心财务风险。相比之下,债务是EBITDA的八倍。
Investors may be worried about financial exposure. Debt was eight times EBITDA in comparison.
看看Coreweave在这方面的情况会很有趣。Coreweave和Nebius,如果我们有一个细分的话。
it'd be interesting to see where Corewave sits on this. Coreweave and Nebius like if we had like a breakdown.
像Coreweave这样的Neocloud最初主要使用Hopper代芯片。Coreweave在金融工程上的投入与其数据中心设计一样多。
Neoclouds, uh, like Coreweave started off with mostly, you know, hopper generation chips. Coreweave takes as much financial engineering as it does data center design.
我们认为Coreweave可能拥有约60万块GPU,主要是Hopper、H100和H200,Blackwell的数量在增加。
We think Cororeef has maybe 600,000 GPUs, mostly Hopper, H100s, and 200s with a rising number of Blackwells.
如果Neocloud的业务围绕这些前沿级芯片而非像Dell那样的企业级芯片……那么Neocloud正在遭受损失,这也解释了为什么Sam认为Neocloud在过度建设。
if the Neoclouds are building their business around these frontier level chips and not the enterprise level chips that like Dell is... and uh Neoclouds are suffering and uh explain why uh Sam thinks the Neoclouds are overbuilding.
那么,让我们去看看他们有多少债务,以及我们有什么。这可能会让我们对Sam Altman的举动或评论有一些了解。这也可能是Cerebras股价小幅上涨的原因。
So, let's go look at how much debt they've got and what we got cooking there. So, that might give us a little color on the Sam Oldman move or commentary. Could also be why Cerebrus is popping a little bit.
好的,我们拿到了Coreweave的10-Q。让我们下载并打开它。Coreweave 10-Q。所以如果我现在打开Coreweave,让我们简要看一下他们的资产负债表。让我们看看我们有什么。
所以我有当前需要支付的账单。递延收入……2.729?2.718?账单中的长期债务很多。我有递延收入7。所以我有25加2.4加递延。我忽略15.7,那又是7.7左右。所以我在另一边又有43。
43.8长期债务,我有现金5。是的,那不好。5.5,其中0.08受限。我们没钱了。所以Coreweave没钱了。这就是问题所在。他们的现金流将是负的。哦,哇,真的很负。在过去六个月中,负14亿,而流入36亿。
所以他们的现金流很糟糕,但我们都知道所有Neocloud都在花钱。所以偿还债务。是的,我们不得不承担超过110亿的净融资,30亿美元的股票发行,超过110亿的净融资。他们在收入上亏损,但这是因为折旧。
很多包括大额折旧,我们有存款吗?让我看看是否有关于存款的讨论。1银行存款。什么?就这些。肯定还有更多存款。存款到债务的存款金额。哦,他们并没有告诉我们太多。疯狂。好的。所以,这是资产负债表。
所以,仅资产负债表就引起了担忧,即你为这些前沿级芯片的资产负债表融资。也许这就是一些风险所在。好的。好的。我可以看到。那可能说得通。
Okay, we got the 10 Q for Corewave. Let's download this and pull it up. Coreweave 10 Q. So if I now pop open Coreweave, let's do a brief look at their balance sheet. Let's see what we have. So I've got current bills to pay. Uh deferred take out 2.7 20 9us 2.7 182 in bills long debt a lot. I've got deferreds of seven. So I've got 25 plus 2.4 plus deferreds. I'll leave out 15.7 plus that's another 7.7 or so. So I got another 43 over here. 43.8 long and I've got cash of five. Yeah, that's not good. 5.5 with 08 restricted. We are out of money. So Cory is out of money. That's the problem. Their cash flow is going to be negative. Oh wow, it's really negative. Uh at 14 billion versus the 36 that came in in the last six months. So their cash flow is crap, but we already knew that all of the Neoclouds are spending there. So repayments of debt. So yeah, we had to take on over 11 billion of net financing, $3 billion stock raise, over 11 billion net financing. I've got they're losing money on revs even but but this is because of depreciation. A lot of this includes big depreciation and do we have deposits? Let me see if there's talk about deposits. 1 bank deposits. What? That's it. There's got to be more on deposit. Deposit to debt deposit amount. Oh, they don't really tell us much. Crazy. Okay. So, this is the balance sheet here. So, that the balance sheet alone is what's creating the concern here is that you're financing up your balance sheet for these frontier level chips. And you know, maybe that's not maybe that's where some of the risk is. Okay. Okay. I could I could see it. That might make sense.
所以,如果我进入Coreweave,是的,Coreweave自峰值以来确实受到了重创。仍高于IPO定价。187现在在80美元。虽然它已经横盘了大约一年半,大约一年。
So, if I go into Corewave, yeah, Core's really gotten hammered since their uh since their peak. Still up over IPO pricing. 187 now at 80 bucks. Although it's kind of they've kind of been sideways for like a year and a half about a year.
我们将讨论 Core Weave。
We'll talk about Core Weave.
这个硬件问题涉及 CPOS、Nvidia、Dell、Sam Altman、Core Weave。所有这些都交织在一起。
this hardware issue with uh the CPOS's, the Nvidia, the Dell, the Sam Alman, the Core Weave. All of this kind of loops together.
他们从其中一家公司购买过剩算力,或承诺购买过剩算力的公司之一是 Coreweave,他们说:“嘿,如果我们需要你购买我们的过剩算力,请告诉我们。”然后他们就这么做了。Coreweave 说:“是的,我们有过剩算力。
我们无法摆脱 Nvidia。你说过你会保证的。你会买的。给你,买吧。”
One of the companies they bought surplus compute from or promised to buy surplus compute from was Coreweave and they said, "Hey, let us know if you ever need us to buy your surplus compute." And then they did. Coreweave said, "Yeah, we've got surplus compute. We can't get rid of Nvidia. You said you would guarantee it. You would buy it. Here you go. Buy it."
分析这一点的最佳方式是查看 Coreweave 的财务状况,我们稍后会进行。那么,这种循环性质是如何运作的?我们实际上在 Coreweave 看到了什么?
The best way to analyze that is to look at the financials for Coree, which we'll do in just a moment. So, how does that circular nature work? And then what are we actually seeing at Coreweave?
好的,基本想法是,如果像 Coreweave 这样的公司说:“嘿,我们要建造它,他们就会来”,他们建造了大量算力,如果他们只能租出一部分,无法租出全部算力,那么他们就不需要再购买任何 Nvidia 芯片了。
所以,如果这是未使用的部分,即暗色部分,我们可以称之为互联网时代的暗光纤,那么他们最终会去找 Nvidia 说:“看,我们需要你接管这个。我们需要你做点什么。”
Okay, so the idea basically is if a company like Coreweave says, "Hey, we're going to build it and they will come, they build a bunch of compute, if they're only able to rent out a portion and they can't rent out all of their compute, then they don't need to buy any more Nvidia chips." Okay? So, if this is the unused uh portion right here, the dark portion, we'll call it kind of like dark fiber in the internet days, then they end up going to Nvidia and saying, "Look, we need you to take this over. We need you to do something with it."
毕竟,The Information 发表了一篇关于 Coreweave 的文章,他们实际上对 Coreweave 相当看好。他们提出以下论点。他们说 Coreweave 是目前最好的 Neocloud 买入标的。
他们提出了一些合理的观点。他们说其交易价格仅为收入的 2.2 倍。对于寻求押注 AI 热潮的风险承受型投资者来说,这是一个机会。今年将有 129 亿美元的收入。这是 Nebus 的四倍,是 IRM 的四倍。
我们有 1.5 吉瓦的活跃电力,还有 3.7 吉瓦已签约。好的,很好。所以我们有很多热情,他们认为这种热情正在涌向 Coreweave,但他们认为这种热情因客户集中风险而被折价,尤其是微软,它现在正在购买自己的算力。
那么,是否存在一种风险,即如果 Meta 和 OpenAI 生产他们的 Jalapeno 芯片,Meta 收购自己的硬件,微软收购自己的硬件,他们可能不需要 Coreweave,这就是风险吗?
他们认为 Coreweave 正在多元化。他们有 Jane Street 可以出售。嘿,有很多人会租用这个。
Because after all, the information ran a piece on Cororeweave and they were actually pretty bullish on Cororeweave. They argue the following. They say that Cororeweave is the best Neocloud buy right now. And they make some fair fair points here. They say they're trading at just 2.2 times revenue. There's an opportunity for risk tolerant investors looking to bet on the AI boom. We've got uh 12.9 billion in revenues coming this year. That's four times that of Nebus, which is four times that of IRM. We've got uh you know 1.5 gawatts of active power, another 3.7 gawatts under contract. Okay, fine. So we've got a lot of enthusiasm that they argue is uh coming to core but they argue is being discounted because of customer concentration risk notably Microsoft which is now going and buying their own compute. So, is there a risk that if Meta and OpenAI producing their Jalapeno chip uh and Meta acquiring their own hardware and Microsoft acquiring their hardware, is it possible that maybe they don't need Coree and is that the risk? They think that Cororeweave is diversifying away. They've got Jane Street to sell to. Hey, there are plenty people who are going to rent this
但如果算力供应过剩,为什么 OpenAI 在购买 Mac Ult,而同时 Coreweave 的交易价格却有折价?
But if there's over supply in that compute, why is Core why is OpenAI buying Mac Ult and at the same time Coreweave trading for a discount?
数据中心技术如 Credo 因利润率问题而放缓。我稍后会展示这些。然后当然,The Information 认为 Coreweave 是买入,但随后有像 Sam Altman 这样的人抨击他们,说:“我不知道,老兄,他们的建设可能有点投机。”
Data center technologies like credo slowing on margin issues. I'll show you those in just a moment. And then of course coreweave the information argues is a buy, but then you got people like Sam Alman bagging on them going, I don't know, man, they might be getting a little speculative in their buildout.
所以,你看 Coreweave,他们的大部分芯片,至少基于公开文件和报道,预计将是前沿级别的训练型芯片。是的,他们正在进入推理领域。他们正在进入 RTX 6000。他们去年就进入了。
预期是那是一个非常低的敞口,而企业推理是下一个前沿。
So, you look at a corewave, the majority of their chips, at least based on public filings and reporting on this, the majority of their chips are expected to be uh frontier level training style chips. Yeah, they're moving into inference. They're moving into the RTX 6000. They moved into that last year. Expectations are that's a very low exposure and enterprise inference is the next frontier.
但如果你持有大量前沿数据中心芯片,是否存在债务风险使像 Coreweave 这样的公司承压?就我个人而言,当我查看 Coreweave 的核心财务状况时,我认为答案是肯定的。我们不需要知道他们在技术上亏损。
那已经是旧闻了。如果加回折旧,他们是在赚钱。但这是对他们现金流的投资回报,而他们在资本支出上花费了巨额资金。他们在 36 亿美元的经营现金流上花费了 140 亿美元。所以,他们显然需要借钱或筹集资金,这正是他们正在做的。
给你。他们在资本支出上花费了 140 亿美元。他们通过股票筹集了 30 亿美元,净融资 110 亿美元。
But if you're holding the bag on a lot of frontier data center chips, is there a debt risk that's keeping a company like coreweave down? And personally, when I go look at the core financials, I think the answer is yes. We don't need to know that they're losing money technically. That's already old news. If you add back in depreciation, they're making money. But this is a return on the investment on their cash flow, which they're spending massive amounts of money on capex. They're spending $14 billion on 3.6 of operating cash flow. So, they're obviously needing to borrow money or raise money, which is exactly what they're doing. Here you go. They were they spent $14 billion on capex. They raised $3 billion in stock and net 11 billion in financing.
另一方面,Coreweave 有 55 亿美元现金,但有 180 亿美元债务。他们的短期债务是现金的三倍。这不好。这减缓了建设进度,并使融资更具挑战性。
Coreweave, on the other hand, they have $5.5 billion in cash with $18 billion in bills. They have $3 in short-term debt for every $1 of cash they have. That's not good. that slows the buildout and makes financing more challenging,
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