由于自由现金流预估下滑,且在新管理层领导下扭转局面需要较长时间,因此放弃投资 LULU。
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所以,在这个视频里,我们将梳理 Lululemon 业务的基本情况。我们会看一些他们的数据,然后尝试为 Lululemon 股票估算一个合理价值,看看它今天是否值得投资。
So, in this video, we're going to run through the basics of Lululemon's business. We're going to look at some of their numbers, and then we're going to try to come up with a fair value for Lululemon stock to see if it's worth investing in today.
过去一年左右,Lululemon 的股票表现并不好。股价下跌了不少。所以真正的问题是,这只股票会复苏吗?为什么会发生这种情况?既然已经发生了,我们现在能否从中获利。
Now, Lululemon's stock over the past year or so hasn't done that well. The stock is down a decent amount. So, the real question is, is the stock going to recover? Why has this happened?
and can we profit from it now that it has happened.
让我们直接来看按业务板块拆分的 Lululemon 业务。Lululemon 的业务是按他们卖给谁、他们的产品针对谁设计的来划分的。他们最大的板块是女装产品。他们从瑜伽起家,做紧身裤、外套,以及他们所称的 ath athleisure athle athletic leisure 之类的,对吧?
运动休闲装。基本上,它更偏向高端产品。这一点我们稍后会再谈,但大部分收入来自他们的女装产品,约占其收入的 63%。然后他们的男装产品贡献约 24% 的收入。想想短裤、衬衫,还有跑步装备之类的。男装约占 24%。
And let's jump in and look at Lululemon's business broken up by segment. So Lululemon's business is broken up by who they're selling to, who their products, you know, designed to target.
Their largest segment is women's products. They started in yoga and they do things like leggings and outerwear and what they call ath athleisure athle athletic leisure something like that, right?
Athletic leisure wear. Basically, it's more of a high-end product. It has been, we'll come back to this in a minute, but most of the revenue is generated in their women's products, about 63% of their revenue.
Then their men's products contribute about 24% of revenue. Think uh shorts and shirts and you know running gear, things like that. Men's clothing about 24%.
但那里存在一个问题。管理层最近出来说,到访 Lululemon 门店的人次正在减少。事实上,过去连续两个季度,他们看到 Lululemon 美国业务的收入出现下降。这在一定程度上说明了我们所处问题的核心。
我们看到股价已经下跌了一大截。这是问题的一部分。问题的一部分在于,他们吸引进店的人变少了。
But there is a problem there. management recently came out and said that the number of visits happening to the Lululemon stores are decreasing. In fact, they've seen a decrease in revenue for Lululemon United States over the past two consecutive quarters.
And that kind of speaks to the core of the problem that we're at. We saw the stock is already we saw it's down a whole bunch. This is part of the problem. Part of the problem is they're bringing in less people into their locations.
现在,他们的许多门店并不像普通商店那样,你进去挑几件衬衫或 T 恤。他们有瑜伽工作室。有些门店有活动。他们试图打造一个建立在社区属性之上的品牌。而这为他们建立了一个高端品牌。所谓高端,我的意思是,他们的紧身裤售价通常高于你在别处可能买到的其他紧身裤。
Now, many of their locations, it's not like a normal store where you might go and, you know, pick up shirts or a t-shirt. They have yoga studios. Some of them have, you know, they have events.
They have they've tried to build a brand that is built on this kind of the community aspect. But the and that has built them a premium band brand. By premium, I mean they sell for their leggings sell for generally a higher cost than other leggings that you might get at a different location.
话虽如此,如果这个社区开始弱化,如果你能吸引进店的人变少,那么坦率地说,让更多人回到店里的办法就是降价。从长远来看,这可能会损害数据。
Well, that being said, if that community starts to weaken, if you can get less people into the locations, well, then frankly, the way you get more people back into the stores is you reduce prices. That could hurt the numbers over the long run.
另一方面,中国是他们业务中不断增长的一块。这一块则出现了相当可观的增长,但同样,其中一个问题是他们一直在大量开店。所以得益于开店,他们在中国的增长还算合理,但同店销售实际上已经下降,或者说近几个季度已经放缓。
因此,虽然从中国整体数据上看不到同样的问题,但在审视这块业务时,确实存在薄弱之处。
On the flip side, China is a growing piece of their business there. It's that on the other hand has seen a decent amount of growth, but once again, one of the issues there is that they've been opening a lot of stores.
So they've seen reasonable growth in China thanks to the store openings, but the same store sales have in fact decreased or let's say the they have decelerated in recent quarters.
So while you're not seeing the same problem in the broader numbers in China there there are certainly weak points when looking at that business.
所以总体来看,你可以看到 Lululemon 在把品牌推向未来方面存在疲软。他们起步时是一家小公司,凭借那个社区一路壮大。但现在这个社区开始弱化,顺便说一句,如果经济陷入困境,如果汽油或其他开支等成本上升,你还会在像 Lululemon 这样更贵的品牌上花那么多钱吗?
So overall, you've seen a weakness in how Lululemon has like been able to shift their brand into the future. They started as a small company and ramped up here with that community.
But now that the community is starting to weaken and that community by the way as the economy if the economy were to struggle if there were to be increased costs with let's say things like gasoline or other expenses do you spend as much money on you know more expensive brands like like a Lululemon.
话虽如此,在我们做出任何决定之前,先来看一些数据。首先,我们有一张收入图表。过去十年左右,收入增长得相当不错。我的意思是,在早期几年,增长确实很快。近几年有所放缓,但总体而言,看起来还不错。表现相当好。
That being said before we can make any decisions let's jump in and look at some of the numbers. So, first up, we got a chart of revenue. And revenue has increased reasonably well over the past decade or so.
I mean, over in the early years, it was really ramping up. It has slowed down a bit in recent years, but broadly speaking, it looks decent. It's done fairly good.
但现在,当我们看利润率时,这正好说明了那个故事:如果没有那么多口碑客流,你怎么把人吸引进店?办法就是降低一些价格。如果你降价,你的利润率就会下降。你的利润率会面临压力。尽管过去几年利润率有些波动,但在最近几个时期,你可以看到利润率实际上有所回落,这导致了净利润下降。
过去两个时期的净利润也有所下降,这直接反映了 Lululemon 所感受到的压力。
But now, when we look at margins, and this speaks exactly to the story of how do you get people in the store if there's not as much, let's say, word of mouth foot traffic? Well, the way you do it is by reducing some prices.
If you reduce prices, your margins will go down. There will be pressure on your margins. And although margins have been somewhat volatile the past few years, in the past couple periods here, you can see that margins have in fact pulled back a bit and that has led to lower net income. net income over the past two periods have also decreased and this is a direct reflection of the pressure that Lululemon is feeling.
现在,他们一路走来也经历了一些争议。我读到过他们的一次争议。那大概是一两年前的事了,但他们曾一度关闭电商销售,因为有报道说,人们买了紧身裤,而紧身裤是透明的,这显然损害了品牌。
我认为最大的问题之一就是,过去两年这个品牌受到了严重损害。它受到了实质性损害,我们现在可以从他们的数据中看出来。
Now, they've also had a few controversies along the way. I was reading one uh kind of controversy that they had. It it was a little year or two ago at this point, but they shut down their e-commerce sales for a while because there were stories about, you know, people were buying the leggings and the leggings were see-through and that obviously hurts the brand.
I think that's one of the biggest issues is over the past two years this brand is drastically it's been hurt. It's been materially hurt that we can see it in their numbers now.
现在他们最近引入了一位新 CEO。我说的是上周、九月初。他们从 Nike 请来了 CEO Heidi O'Neal。不确定这是好事还是坏事,但她看起来,我们需要一点时间才能看清她的计划是什么。
我们得等着看事情如何发展,但她看起来确实知道自己在做什么。从我读到的不同分析师的评价来看,她备受好评。看起来她可能非常适合这里。但需要一点时间才能看清这一切会如何发展,她的计划是否足以开始扭转数据。
所以问题将是,她能否扭转局面,帮助这只股票在长期内变得更好?
Now they recently brought in a new CEO. I'm talking like last week early September. They brought in a CEO Heidi O'Neal out of Nike. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but she seems like she's we're it's gonna take a little while to see what her plan is.
We're going to have to wait to see how that develops, but she does seem like she knows what she's doing. And she came highly reviewed from everything that I've read from different analysts.
It seems like she could be a really good fit here. But it's going to take a little time to see how all of this plays out, whether or not his her plan is good enough to start turning around the numbers.
So, the question will be, will she be able to turn things around to help the stock make the stock better over the long run?
话虽如此,让我们跳过去看看自由现金流,然后我们再试着看看合理价值。首先你可以看到,自由现金流总体上是上升的。它确实回落过。去年它确实回落了不少。实际上它已经连续两年自由现金流下降,然后在过去 12 个月里又有所跃升。
所以表现还可以。这给我的第一想法是,对自由现金流进行折现可能是一种有意思的估值方法。
That being said, let's jump over and look at free cash flow and then we'll jump in and try to look at the fair value. So, first you can see that free cash flow broadly speaking has moved up.
It did move back. It did pull back a decent amount last year. It's actually had two years of declining free cash flow and then in the trailing 12 month it has jumped up a bit. So, it's done okay.
So that implies to me first thought that okay discount of free cash flow could be an interesting one to do an an interesting valuation method to look at.
但首先让我们看看市盈率,因为我在很多头条新闻里看到这个,正如我们在这里看到的,这是过去十年 Lululemon 市盈率倍数的图表,而现在它毫无疑问非常低。我会说,在今年早些时候,也就是这十年的前五年左右,他们是一家快速增长的公司。
那种增长确实开始停滞。所以当时你愿意支付的溢价现在被削减,是合理的。但毫无疑问,从市盈率倍数的角度看,它看起来确实被低估了。
But first let's look at price to earnings because I saw this on a lot of headlines and as we could see here this is a chart of Lululemon's price to earnings multiple over the past decade and right now it is without a doubt very low.
Now I would argue earlier on in the year, first five or so years of the decade, they were a fast growing company. That growth has really began to stall out. So it makes sense that some of the premium that you would have paid back then is now being reduced.
But without a doubt, it does look undervalued when it comes to a price to earnings multiple perspective.
但现在让我们从现金流折现的角度来看。在 investors grow 网站上,我认为该网站最有用的部分之一是分析师预测。我们有来自全球数千家公司的分析师,看看每年有多少分析师参与预测,可能非常有价值。
这些绿色柱条是分析师预测。我们可以看到有 8.87 亿。我们可以看到,当前财年预期自由现金流为 8.87 亿。有 22 位分析师参与了这个数字。这是很多分析师。这些分析师来自像高盛、摩根大通这样的大型投资银行。
But now let's let's look at it from a discounted cash flow perspective. So on the investors grow website, one of the one of the I think most useful parts of the website is analyst estimates.
So we have analysts coming in for thousands of companies from around the globe and seeing how many analysts are contributing to each of the years can be very valuable. And these green bars are analyst estimates.
And we can see we have 887 million. And we can see that we have 887 million in free cash flow expected in this current fiscal year. 22 analysts are contributing to that number.
That's a lot of analysts. This is an analyst from like big investment banks, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, companies like that.
但在我看来,这里更值得注意的是趋势。这其实很不寻常。大多数行业都在增长,大多数分析师都预期他们所分析的公司——只要所处行业对这些公司有利——会实现增长。但在这里,平均而言,这些数字却在下降。
当然,我们只有三年的分析师数据,最后两年只有三位分析师的预估。但即便如此,这些分析师看起来也并没有显得过分乐观或悲观。他们只是在延续这一走低的趋势,而在我看来,这引出了一个真正的问题,因为目前我们的公允价值约为每股 105 美元。
这意味着该股目前略微被低估。我们已经看到,从市盈率的角度看它似乎被低估了,而从现金流折现的角度看,它同样似乎略微被低估。
But to me, the bigger thing to note here is look at the trend. This is actually unusual. Most industries grow. Most analysts expect the companies that they're analyzing in good industries for those companies to grow.
But here on average, those numbers are declining. Now, sure, we've only got three years of analyst, three analyst estimates in the final two years. But even if that's the case, it's not like those analysts look like they're crazy optimistic or pessimistic.
They're just kind of continuing the trend lower, which to me raises a real problem because right now we have the fair value at about $105 per share. That would imply that this stock is slightly undervalued right now.
We saw already it looks like it's undervalued from a PE perspective, but from a discounted cash flow perspective, it also looks like it's slightly undervalued.
但我们在这里所做的一个假设是 2.5% 的永续增长率。我之所以采用 2.5%,是因为这大约就是通胀率。目前通胀率更高,但平均而言,我们假设它是 2.5%。可以说这更接近目标通胀率。
正因如此,如果说有什么影响的话,这个数字反而更保守,如果我们把它调高,那么公允价值也会随之上升。所以我用了一个更保守的数字,2.5% 的增长率。但对这家公司来说,用 2.5% 的增长率是否公允?
这是这里的默认数字。但如果我把它改成 0% 增长,也就是不再假设它会永远增长,而是假设它保持不变,那会怎样?这或许有点悲观,但你可以看到,公允价值立刻降到了每股 86 美元。这是一个不小的变化。
But one of the assumptions that we're making here is a 2.5% perpetual growth rate. So we assume I came up with two and a half% because that's about the rate of inflation. It's higher right now but on average let's assume it's 2 and a half%.
Let's say that's closer to the target rate of inflation. And because of that if anything it's more conservative if we raised it. Uh then the fair value would go up as well. So I used a more conservative number 2 and a half% growth.
But is it fair with this company to use 2 and 12% growth? That is the default number here. But what if I change that to a 0% growth where it is no longer assuming that we'll grow forever and instead it'll just assume it stays the same.
Now that might be a bit pessimistic, but you can see that right away the fair value drops down to $86 per share. That's a meaningful shift.
所以,尽管这只股票在假设存在增长的情况下看起来可能被低估,但在当前这个价位上我仍有所犹豫,我不确定它是否已经跌得足够多。
So although the stock looks like it is it could be undervalued assuming there is growth I hesitate with it at this price to me I'm not sure it's fallen enough yet.
反过来看,如果 Heidi O'Neal 站出来公布她的计划,并说明他们认为业务为何会好转,而管理层在过去几个季度里却一直在下调营收和每股收益等各项预期。他们不断下调数字。当然,Heidi O'Neal 最近才刚上任,所以我们还要看她接手之后情况会如何发展,但即便她确实在扭转局面上做得不错,也需要一些时间。
她可能需要数年时间才能把这些问题理顺。所以,我认为我们或许最好还是观望,先等着看这件事如何发展。如果他们能拿出一个可行的办法来扭转这项业务,让人们重新走进门来,那这可能会很有意思。但对我来说,这一只我选择放弃。
Now on the flip side if Heidi O'Neal were to come out and give her plan and announce how they you know why they think things are going to turn around and management over the past couple quarters management has continued to reduce forecasts for revenue and earnings per share and all that stuff.
They keep dropping the numbers. Granted, Heidi O'Neal just got in recently, so we'll see how things look under her going forward, but even if she does do a good job of turning around, it's going to take a little time.
It's going to take probably years for her to for her to sort that out. So, I think we might be better off waiting on the sidelines and just waiting and seeing how this develops.
And if they can come with come up with a viable way to turn this business around and get people back in the door, then this could be interesting. But for me, I get a pass on this.
但尽管这是一家如此有意思的公司,我妻子也有他们的一些产品,而且我认为他们的产品很有意思,质量也不错,但它们值这个钱吗?我并不真的知道。我不确定。如你所见,我并不是一个穿着讲究的人。但对我来说,这一只我打算先等一等,暂不入手。
But as much of an interesting company as it is, and my wife has some of their products, and I think that their products are interesting and they're good, are they worth the money?
I don't really know. I I don't, you know, I'm not sure. I I'm not much of a flashy dresser, as you could tell. But for me, I'm going to wait and hold off on this one.
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