诺基亚并非买入标的;在合理的抛售之后其估值已属公允,缺乏安全边际。
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我们之前谈过诺基亚,这家老牌电信设备巨头,尤其是在去年他们完成对Infinera的收购,将光子学的光学组件更垂直地整合到他们的业务中。
And we've talked about Nokia, the old telecom equipment giant, especially last year when they completed the acquisition of Infinera to add some more vertical integration of optical components of photonics directly within their business.
近年来他们还进行了其他几项收购,2025年新任CEO来自英特尔数据中心部门。我整理了诺基亚自2024年以来的一系列收购。这里第一个是这家名为Fenix Group的公司,加速了他们在航空航天和国防通信领域的美国战略。
They've made a couple other acquisitions in recent years, new CEO from Intel Data Center segment in 2025. I pulled up a batch of acquisitions Nokia has made since 2024. This first one here is of this company called Fenix Group, accelerating their US strategy in aerospace and defense communications.
寻找新的终端市场,过去几年,航空航天和国防在美国以及欧洲都明显加速。诺基亚也是欧洲的顶级供应商。他们还收购了一家名为Rapid的公司,为网络公司制作API产品,因此能够通过API嵌入网络解决方案,利用4G和5G。
可以想象,这可能会扩展到6G,在本十年后期或到2030年、2031年。
Looking for a new end market here, the last couple of years, aerospace and defense has definitely ramped up in the US as well as in Europe. Nokia is a top supplier to Europe as well. They also acquired this company called Rapid, make this API product for networking companies, so being able to embed networking solutions via API, utilizing 4G and 5G. Can imagine this probably will get extended to 6G when that becomes a thing later this decade or by 2030, 2031.
然后当然,我刚才提到的收购Infinera,一家光网络半导体、光子学制造商。这将加入诺基亚贝尔实验室,该实验室是十多年前收购阿尔卡特朗讯时获得的。这项收购于去年二月完成,一年半前。
And then of course, the one I just mentioned, the acquisition of Infinera, manufacturer of optical networking semiconductors, photonics. This is going to get added to Nokia Bell Labs, which came over a decade ago now when they purchased Alcatel-Lucent. This was completed last February, a year and a half ago.
然后最近,诺基亚表示将出售其固定无线接入(FWA)业务给一家名为Inseego的微型市值公司。诺基亚获得Inseego的股份,11%的股权。Inseego是微型市值。我们说的是不到1亿。
也许这里有很多上行空间,但这更多是诺基亚剥离那些没有明确增长引擎的业务部分,将资本重新分配到其他地方。
And then most recently, Nokia said it is selling its fixed wireless access or FWA business to a micro cap company called Inseego. Nokia gets a stake in Inseego, an 11% equity stake. Inseego's at a micro cap. We're talking less than 100 million. Maybe there's lots of upside here, but, this is more Nokia just offloading parts of this business where they don't have a clear cut growth engine reallocating that capital somewhere else.
这是他们的2026年第二季度幻灯片……这是他们对全年的展望。但具体来说,我想在讨论展望和诺基亚的几个估值注意事项之前,先强调这张幻灯片。
This is their Q2 2026 slide deck... This is their outlook for the full year. But specifically, I want to highlight this slide before we talk about the outlook and a couple valuation notes for Nokia.
他们进行了这次收购,并谈了很多关于6G网络和AI RAN,即无线接入网络。无线接入网络(RAN)设备是让你通过手机或家庭或企业的无线互联网连接到移动互联网的设备,那是通过无线电台、变电站和互联网基础设施将你连接到万维网的设备,光纤光缆在固定无线网络部分后面运行,将你连接到主互联网骨干。
They made this acquisition and talked a lot about 6G networks and AI RAN, Radio Access Network. Radio access networks RAN equipment is what hooks you up to a mobile internet connection via your phone, or if you have some sort of wireless internet at your home or business, that is the equipment that hooks you up to the World Wide Web with that wireless radio, substations and internet infrastructure, optical fiber optic that runs behind that fixed wireless part of the network, hooks you up to the main internet spine.
但这并不是目前诺基亚增长的主要来源。注意他们的电信部门,这个收入图表有点误导。看起来只看第二季度蓝色柱状图的同比,他们的收入翻了一番。但注意左边柱子的刻度。这是44亿美元。去年2026年第二季度在右边,48亿美元。
所以实际上收入同比仅增长9%,因为他们砍掉了图表的底部。所以电信实际上增长慢于公司平均水平。同比仅增长4%。
But this is not what is generating the bulk of Nokia's growth right now. Notice their telecom segment, this revenue chart is a little bit misleading. It kind of looks like just looking at the blue bars year over year in Q2, that their revenue doubled. But notice the scale here of the bar on the left. This is $4.4 billion. Last year at Q2 2026 on the right, $4.8 billion. So really just 9% year-over-year increase in revenue because they've chopped off the bottom of this chart. So telecom is actually growing slower than the company average. Only 4% year-over-year increase.
实际上是公司新的人工智能和云产品、数据中心产品真正在加速并贡献增长。所以购买Infinera的原因是,诺基亚可以将其许多设备和专有技术适应于超大规模数据中心内部,例如无源光通信。
无源光线路是一个分路器,不需要电力就能将光信号分成多路。这通常用于互联网基础设施。它非常高效。你不需要有源光源就能将同一信号发送给多个用户。你实际上可以只分一个信号,比如在互联网基站,然后分成多路,所以唯一需要的其他电源是在接收端,即用户端。他们也将其中一些带入数据中心。
It's actually the company's new AI and cloud products, data center products, that are really ramping up and contributing to growth. So the reason for purchasing Infinera, Nokia can adapt a lot of its equipment and its know-how for inside the hyperscaler data center, for example, passive optical communications. So a passive optical line is a splitter, that requires no power to split a light signal up multiple ways. This is oftentimes used in internet infrastructure. It's very efficient. You don't have to have a powered light source to send the same signal to multiple users. You can actually just split the one signal, let's say at an internet base station and then split it multiple ways, and so the only other power source needed is on the receiving end, the user end. They're bringing some of that into the data center as well.
正如我们多次谈到的,光学是极好的。它将逐渐取代铜。但在同等基础上,光学确实消耗更多电力。因此,将一些这种旧的互联网基础设施技术带入数据中心,可以帮助超大规模企业提高整体运营效率。诺基亚正在帮助实现这一点。
As we've talked about many times, optical is fantastic. It will gradually replace copper over time. But on a like-for-like basis, optical does consume more power. So bringing some of this old internet infrastructure technology into the data center can help with overall operating efficiency for the hyperscalers. Nokia helping with that.
这里的重点是,目前大部分增长来自这个,AI和云同比增长105%。电信仅4%。
The point being here is, at this point, most of the growth is coming from this, 105% year-over-year growth in AI and cloud. Only 4% for telecom.
所以对我们个人来说,我们正在寻找另一个投资机会,把一些钱投入互联网基础设施。诺基亚,也许还不是时候。不是现在这个位置。
So for us personally, we're looking for perhaps another investment, someplace to stick some money in internet infrastructure. Nokia, perhaps not yet. Not where it's at right now.
让我们跳到2026年的指引。注意可比营业利润,剔除收购和剥离,预计中值为23亿至24亿欧元。然后其中自由现金流转换预计范围相当宽,营业利润的55%至75%。所以我们看到的是10亿至17亿欧元。
再次,自由现金流的预期范围相当宽,因为诺基亚正在管理他们一直享受的增长复苏。
Let's jump down to the guidance for 2026. Notice the comparable operating profit that backs out acquisitions and divestitures expected to be two point three, two point four billion euro at the midpoint. And then of that free cash flow conversion expected to be a pretty broad range here, anywhere from 55 to 75% of operating profit. So we're looking at anywhere from 1 to 1.7 billion euro. Again, a pretty wide range expected for free cash flow as Nokia manages this resurgence in growth that they've been enjoying.
我再次调出了Cloudflare、Akamai和Fastly,并加入了诺基亚。你会立即注意到,我不打算关注过去12个月的收入增长。相反,我想指出自由现金流利润率,这也是垫底的。
I pulled up Cloudflare, Akamai, and Fastly again, and also added in Nokia. And you'll immediately notice here, I'm not going to focus on the revenue growth over the last 12 months. Instead, I want to point out the free cash flow margin, which is also the back of the pack.
这在很大程度上是因为CDN公司,是的,它们是实际的 infrastructure 业务。这里有Cloudflare、Akamai和Fastly管理的硬件,但它们大部分收入来自使用量和软件,因此与诺基亚相比,这是一种非常不同的商业模式,诺基亚主要通过销售设备获得收入和利润。
A large part of this is because the CDN companies, yes, they are actual infrastructure businesses. There is hardware here that Cloudflare, Akamai, and Fastly are managing, but they make most of their money via usage and software, so a very different type of business model versus Nokia, which primarily earns revenue and profit from selling equipment.
这是一个值得注意的项目,因为诺基亚的股票在2026年上半年出现了不错的上涨,但截至本次录制时,已回落至每股约10美元。这实际上意味着什么?这意味着其市值约为550至560亿美元。
This is a notable line item here because Nokia stock had a nice surge the first half of 2026, and has come back down, as of this recording, around $10 per share. What does that actually mean? Well, it means it's a market cap of $55-56 billion.
他们目前状况相当不错。我在我们的论点清单上勾选了一些我喜欢的项目。显然,参与AI数据中心和互联网基础设施是一件好事。你不知道这个销售周期会持续多久。我们稍后会在反向DCF中讨论这个问题。
这家公司现在确实有很多广度,很多垂直整合。但很多问题来自于收入增长的速度和盈利能力。
They're in pretty good shape here. I checked off a number of things on our thesis checklist that I liked. Obviously, being involved with AI data centers and internet infrastructure is a good thing. You don't know how long that sales cycle is going to last. We'll talk about that in just a moment with the reverse DCF. This company does have a lot of breadth, a lot of vertical integration now. But a lot of the questions come from the pace of the revenue growth and the profitability.
资产负债表状况良好。这很好。他们确实有净现金和投资在账上。但低于平均水平的自由现金流和营业利润率是需要指出的,因为,是的,诺基亚确实每年产生约160亿欧元,可能很快接近200亿欧元的年销售额。
但以目前的市值,你实际上得到了什么?是的,你得到了很多收入,但目前利润不多。
Balance sheet is in good shape. That's great. They do have net cash and investments on balance. But this below-average free cash flow and operating margin is something to flag because, yes, Nokia does generate something like sixteen, maybe quickly approaching twenty billion euro in annual sales. But at the current market cap, what are you actually getting for that? Yes, you get a lot of revenue, but not much profit right now.
所以跳到反向DCF。在过去的十二个月基础上,每股收益和每股自由现金流大致相同,所以我不打算改变权重。为了达到今天的公允价值,我将终端增长率降至4%,未来五年预期的每股利润复合年增长率为41%。
加速收入增长是不够的。诺基亚需要大幅提升其利润率。低至中个位数是不够的。我们需要看到至少10%的利润率才能使这个情景成立。
So jumping to a reverse DCF. On a trailing twelve-month basis, earnings per share and free cash flow per share are about the same, so I'm going to leave the weights alone. And to get to a fair value today, I dropped the terminal rate down to four percent, and what's expected over the next five years is a forty-one percent per share profit CAGR. Accelerating revenue is not going to cut it. Nokia needs a massive uplift in its profit margins. Low to mid-single digit is not going to get us there. We need to see something to the tune of ten percent minimum profit margin to make this scenario true.
五年周期。从历史上看,这些周期对诺基亚来说是间歇性的。当最初的5G部署在2010年代末到2020年、2021年开始时,你得到了一个不错的增长爆发。所以我们可以保持五年。我们可以将其缩短到三年,只为数据中心收入的大幅增长建模。
然后预期在那之后,任何6G网络建设可能会更加温和或不太持久。也许是一波初始增长,然后就这样了。
Five-year cycle. Historically, these cycles come in bursts for Nokia. When the initial 5G rollout started to happen in the late 2010s through 2020, 2021, you got this nice little burst of growth. So we could leave this at five years. We could drop this down to three and just model for the big increase in data center revenue. And then expect that after that, any 6G network build-out is going to be maybe more moderate or not very persistent. Maybe an initial wave of growth and then that's it.
如果我们把初始增长波缩短到三年,每股利润复合年增长率是多少?看起来大约高出80%。未来三年每股利润复合年增长率为70%,71%,才能使这个公司在这一点上被公平估值。
If we drop our initial wave of growth down to three years, what is the per share profit CAGR? About 80% higher, it looks like. 70% per share profit CAGR, 71% over the next three years to make this thing fair valued at this point.
所以是的,诺基亚的股票在7月和到目前为止的8月确实大幅抛售,在年初的大涨之后。但这在我看来是因为对公司的预期已经远远超过了现实,抛售是有道理的。现在也许我们正在接近公允价值,但肯定不是一个好的价值股。
So yes, Nokia stock did sell off pretty hard in July and so far in August after the big run-up earlier this year. But that seems to me to be because the expectations for the company had run far ahead of reality, and the sell-off was warranted. And now maybe we're looking at something closer to fair value, but certainly not a good value stock.
为了进一步说明这一点,我们谈到了公司多年来实现的增长小爆发。这里是自由现金流的爆发。这里是2017年底、2018年、2019年期间最初的5G部署。然后你有大约三、四年的干旱期。
随着我们在2023年和2024年走出熊市,他们再次开始变现。但诺基亚还有很多需要证明的地方。
Just to illustrate this one more way, talked about the little bursts of growth the company has notched over the years. Here's the free cash flow bursts. Here's in end of 2017, 2018, 2019 during initial 5G rollouts. Then you have this dry spell for about three, four years. They started to monetize again as we came out of the bear market in 2023 and 2024. But there is a lot to prove here for Nokia.
至少就我们在CSI的看法而言,他们已经把各个部分放在一起,或者至少已经开始把各个部分放在一起,以继续他们的垂直整合。收购了Infinera。他们还在从NXP购买位于亚利桑那州的晶圆厂。
所以他们正在把自己打造成一个光通信制造商,而不仅仅是互联网和无线网络设备的组装商和销售商,再加上一点软件。
And at least as far as how we see it here at CSI, they have put the pieces in place, or at least have begun to put the pieces in place to continue their vertical integration. Purchased Infinera. They're also in process of purchasing a fab from NXP down in Arizona. So they are building themselves into an optical communications manufacturer, not just internet and wireless network equipment assembler and seller with a bit of software layered into that as well.
但其中很多似乎已经被定价了,这要归功于过去几年股价已经大幅上涨。所以如果你在寻找价值股,也许诺基亚有一些价值,如果他们能够超越目前股价中已经反映的预期。
But a lot of that appears to be priced in already, thanks to the big surge in the stock price already the last couple of years. So if you're looking for a value stock, maybe there is some value there in Nokia if they can outperform, over-deliver on what is currently baked into the stock price.
但对我们来说,不幸的是这是另一个我们将放弃的,但我们会把它放在观察名单上。如果这个东西下跌,比如说市值再跌100亿到450亿,股价在8美元甚至9美元左右,我们会再看一眼,看看预期是否有什么变化。
But for us, this is unfortunately another one we are going to pass on, but we're gonna keep it on our watch list. If this thing were to drop, let's say another ten billion in market cap down to forty-five billion, somewhere in the eight, even $9 per share range, we'll take a look again, see if anything has changed in the expectations.
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这个频道对 $NOK 的历次判断
Chip Stock Investor 在这只股票上只有这一条判断。