得益于强劲增长和财务状况改善,ORCL 估值具有吸引力(PEG 0.65),优于同业。
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我们今天有Oracle、Adobe,还有Restoration Hardware即将登场。
We got Oracle, we got Adobe, and we got Restoration Hardware on deck today.
我们今天确实有重要的财报。Restoration Hardware、Oracle和Adobe,我们会关注这些。Adobe和Oracle将在收盘钟声后5分钟率先发布,然后Restoration Hardware将在那之后5分钟发布。
We do have big earnings today. Restoration Hardware, Oracle, and Adobe will be looking at those. Uh Adobe and Oracle are going to come out first at 5 minutes after the bell and then Restoration Hardware will be 5 minutes after that.
我对财报感到兴奋。Oracle就要来了。
I'm excited for earnings. Uh Oracle's coming up.
Oracle有很多债务,我的朋友们。债务包里有很多钱。Oracle的突破线在这里是168,而我们在154。
Oracle's got a lots of debt, my friends. Lot of money in the debt bundle. Oracle's breakthrough line here is 168 and we're at 154.
Oracle还没有出来。现在在等Oracle。
Uh, Oracle is still not out. Waiting for Oracle now.
现在让我们看看Oracle。我认为这是大家真正都想看的一个,因为它在某种程度上也是SpaceX的一个代理。你是一个数据中心建设者,对吧?数据的提供者。
Let's now see Oracle. That's I think the one really everybody wants to look at because it's also a little bit of a proxy for SpaceX to some extent. Uh, you're a data center builder, right? Provider of the data.
Oracle在哪里?Oracle就这么不见了。就是不。不想,不想带着财报进来。有点奇怪。我以为它会。没关系。我相信我们随时都会拿到。
Where is Oracle? Oracle's just gone. Just no. Doesn't doesn't want to doesn't want to um come into here with earnings. It's kind of strange. Think it would. It's all right. I'm sure we'll get it any moment now.
好吧。来吧。Oracle迟到了。定个时间有什么意义,Oracle?好吧,没关系。没关系。没问题。
Okay. Come on. Oracle is late. What's the point of setting a time, Oracle? Okay, it's fine. Fine. No problem.
哦,Oracle来了。好的。许可收入。哦,许可收入大幅不及预期。6.55亿。预期是7.18亿。这是大幅不及预期。我这里有软件收入大约超预期,这与许可收入不同,因为那是5550亿对5.67亿。
实际上软件略有不及预期。如果我看调整后收入,调整后总收入实际上超预期,1935对19.13。我这里有营业利润率。营业利润率超预期,42%对40.8%。这相当不错。营业收入。哦,这不错。
这相当好。那只是多了半个百万,抱歉,多了半个十亿。815,81.5亿对7.81。是的,更像是36,但差不多。调整后每股收益大幅超预期。1.92对1.75。实际上相当不错。因为不及预期的部分是软件许可。
现在,这非常有趣。我以前听说过。软件许可不及预期。
Oh, here's Oracle. Okay. License revenue. Oh, big miss on license revenue. 655 million. The expectation was 718. That's a big miss. I've got uh software revenue about beat which is different from the license revenue because that was 555 billion versus 567. Actually that's a slight miss on software. If I look at adjusted revenue, adjusted revenue total actually beat at 1935 versus 19.13. I've got operating margins. Operating margins beat 42% versus 40.8. That's pretty good. Operating income. Oh, that's nice. That's pretty good. That's just a little half million extra or sorry, half a billion of extra. 815 8.15 billion versus 7.81. Yeah, more like 36, but close enough. Adjusted EPS by a lot. 1.92 versus 1.75. It's actually pretty good. Uh because the the part that missed was software licensing. Now, that's very interesting. I've heard that before. Software licensing missing.
第一季度调整后收入为19,嗯,我们这里有什么?1935。所以,1935亿对19.13的预期。哦,股价涨得不错。所以,股价现在上涨了。哦,看看那个。它直接冲到了我的线。太疯狂了。168直接到我的线。
Q1 adjusted revenue comes in at 19 uh what do we got here? 1935. So, 1935 billion versus 19.13 as the expectation. Ooh, the stock's up nicely. So, the stock's now up. Oo, look at that. It went straight to my line. That's crazy. 168 straight to my line.
所以,我们现在要去看Oracle的报表。看看他们在搞什么鬼东西。
So, we're going to go look at the sheet for Oracle right now. See what what crap they've got cooking up.
运营现金流230亿美元,资本支出280亿美元。他们发行了190亿美元的股票。哇。第二季度收入,他们预计增长30%到34%。嗯,这相当乐观。
Cash from operations $23 billion and their spending on capital expenditures $28 billion. They issued stock of $19 billion. Wow. Uh Q2 revenue, they expect to be up 30 to 34%. Well, that's pretty optimistic.
是的,有许可业务。许可业务通常利润率相当高,你可以看到这里许可业务下降了。我在其他公司也看到了这一点。Oracle第二季度收入预计增长30%到34%。财年收入900亿。然后财年调整后每股收益为810。
Yeah, there's licensing. Licensing is usually quite high margin and you can see licensing fell over here. I'm seeing that at other firms too. Oracle revenue Q2 expected up 30 to 34%. Fiscal year rev at 90 billion. and then the fiscal year adjusted EPS to be 810.
在 810 这个水平上,意味着这只股票目前的交易价格是
Okay, so at 810 that suggests this stock is trading for
看看 Oracle 那个被拒绝的位置。163。好,163 除以 810 等于,我算下来是 20.1 倍,这就是你在这里为 Oracle 支付的价格。
Look at that reject on Oracle. 163. Okay. 163 divided by 810 equals I'm at 20.1 times uh is what you're paying here for Oracle.
软件许可证业务正在下滑。财季,我们看看第一季度。那是 2026 财年。哦,我明白了。我们现在的位置是这样。是的。所以,这里的下滑幅度更大。这是同比下滑。哇,把这些财务数据拼在一起的方式真够奇怪的,我跟你说。
655 是一个新数字,除以 766。这算下来是下滑 14.5%。所以这里是负 14.5%。
Software licenses are declining. Fiscal let's see Q1. That's fiscal 26. Oh, I see. Here's where we are. Yeah. So, here's even more of a decline. That's the year-over-year decline. Wow, that's a weird way to put these financials together, I'll tell you that. 655 is a new number divided by 766. That puts me down 14.5%. So minus 14.5% here.
然后如果我往上看这里,我说这是他们的营收,11607 除以 7186,同比上升 61.5%。这大概基本上就是数据中心租赁业务。
And then if I come up here, I go this is their topline revenue 11607 divided by 7186 year-over-year is up 61.5%. That's probably the data center lease outs essentially.
好,我们来看看他们的利润率怎么样。这个利润率部分对 Elon 来说其实非常有用。
Okay, let's go see how are their margins. This margin part is actually really useful for Elon.
那些是营收增长率。我对那个关注得少一些。我想看的是,那是营收。营收的利润率增长率在哪里?他们这里只展示了营收。这帮家伙。
Those are revenue growth rates. I care a little less about that. I want to see that's revenues. Where are the margins growth rates for revenue revenues? Those are they're only showing revenues here. Jerks.
我们确实看到软件支持这块也在下滑。是的,就像你能实际看到软件在这里被打得很惨,软件许可证和软件是负 1.3%然后我这里还有硬件。那对他们来说不是一个大驱动因素,我猜。
Uh we do see a decline here in software support as well. Yeah, it's like you can actually see software getting beaten up here negative 1.3% software license and software and then I've got hardware here. That's not it's not a big driver for them, I guess.
来了。这里就是所有东西都混在一起的地方。160 亿美元。这是他们截至 8 月 31 日的三个月费用。费用增长了,12617 除以 10649。费用上升 11.4%。抱歉,18.4%。
Here we go. This is where it's all lumped together. 16 billion bucks. Their expenses for the three months ending August 31. Expenses grew 12617 divided by 10649. Expenses up 11.4%. Sorry, 18.4%.
而营收,哦,那个涨幅比那大得多。更接近 25% 到 30% 左右。19345 除以 14926,29.6%。应该说 30%。所以这很好。这意味着他们肯定看到了一些增长。
And revenue, oo, that's up a lot more than that. That's closer to like 25 to 30%. 19345 divided by 14926 29.6%. Should have said 30%. So that's good. That means they're definitely seeing some increase.
不过,公平地说,为了获得那样的营收增长,他们在疯狂地烧现金流。所以,看这类公司的增长总是稍微更难一些,因为当公司资本充裕时,你多少得把资本支出、资本回报和核心业务、核心业务增长区分开来,对吧?
就像这些营收增长有一部分只是因为它们投入了大量资本。当然,它们的营收就会更高。
Now, in fairness, they're blowing cash flow like crazy to get that increase in revenue. So, it's always a little harder to to look at growth on on companies like this because uh when companies are capital rich, you somewhat have to segment out um capital expense, capital uh return to uh and core business, core business growth, right? Like some of this revenue increase is just because they deployed a bunch of capital. Of course, their revenues are going to be higher.
但我的意思是,他们的利润率在扩张,这很棒,因为看看这个。他们这里曾经是 29% 的利润率。现在按 GAAP 口径是 35%。所以我们暂时就按 GAAP 来看。好了。这相当令人印象深刻。
But I mean, their margins are expanding, which is great because look at this. They were at a 29% margin here. They're at 35% now on a gap basis. So, we're just going to go gap here for a moment. There we go. That's pretty impressive.
所以净利润上升了。剩余履约义务也上升了。所以 RPO 从 64177 亿上升到 6640 亿。这是 6,664 除以 641.77 的增长率。3.4%。
So net income's up. Remaining performance obligations also rose. So RPO went from 64177 billion to 664 billion. That is a growth rate of 6 664 divided by 641.77. Uh 3.4%.
是的。其实,我的意思是,就图个乐子,我快速对这两个都做一下估值,因为,所以,Oracle 的 EPS 增长率,然后我还要看看他们的资产负债表,因为我觉得那会是 AWS。
Yeah. Actually, I mean, just for giggles, I'm gonna just run evaluation on both of these really quick cuz So, Oracle's growth rate for EPS and then I'm going to look at their balance sheet, too, because I I think it's going to be AWS.
然后我有营业利润率。那个也在上升。我的净利润在上升。你知道,那很棒。利润率上升。那很棒。我看到了,哇,Oracle 的增长率其实看起来相当不错。我的意思是,再说一次,他们在投入资本支出,所以你得用一份稳健的资产负债表来平衡这一点,不是,不是要玩双关。
Then I have an operating margin. That's it going up as well. My net income's rising. You know, that's that's great. up margin up. That's great. I've got Wow, the growth rates at Oracle actually actually do look pretty good. I mean, again, they're deploying capex, so you got to balance this out with a well balance sheet, not not to be punny.
30.65 是 Oracle 的预期增长率。所以,基于这些预期,它目前的交易价格远低于 PEG 为 1 的水平。
30.65 is is the projected growth rate for Oracle. So, this is trading for well below a peg at this point based on these these estimates.
我的意思是,我们现在的交易价格,这里的市盈率是多少。这是,呃,许可证这块。那对其他公司、其他软件公司其实非常有用,因为他们告诉你的是,嘿,我们的软件在下滑,但别担心,我们的云服务在大幅上升。
I mean, we're trading for what was the PE ratio on this right here. This is uh the license flag. That's actually really useful for other companies, other software companies, because what they're telling you is, hey, our software is going down, but don't worry, our cloud services are going way up.
好。我放到哪儿了?哦,在这儿。20倍。那么,前瞻增长率,预测增长30.6%,用20.1除以30.6,得6。这样算下来市盈率相对增长比率是0.65。哇。便宜,便宜,真便宜。那么,它便宜是有原因的吗?
Okay. Where did I Oh, here it is. 20x. So, the forward growth rate, 30.6% forecast growth, that puts them at 20.1 divided by 30.6, six. That puts him at a 0 65 peg. Wow. Cheapy, cheapy, cheapy. Now, is it cheap for a reason?
现在好的一点是,他们实际上把百分比都给我了。所以像我这样的懒人,直接去看就行了,他们的云业务增长了62%。他们的软件业务在收缩。这是危险信号,对吧?就像我们在Adobe的一些数据里看到的那样。
Now the nice thing is they actually gave me the percentages. So for lazy bums like me, I could just go see their cloud is up 62%. their software is compressing. Red flag, right? Just like what we kind of saw in some of the Adobe numbers.
然后总营收增长了30%。他们的运营费用,我是说,那为什么运营,为什么运营费用,这让人看不懂。为什么在这儿?哦。哦,那是占营收的百分比。哦,好吧。我差点要吐了。我心想这根本说不通。
Uh and then total revenue is up 30%. Their operating expenses uh I mean so where why are the operating why are the operating h this is confusing. Why here? Oh. Oh, that's percent of revenue. Oh, okay. I was I was about to vomit. I'm like that doesn't make any sense at all.
来了。总营收增长了30%。总运营费用增长了18%。看,规模效应出来了。相当不错。而且他们云业务的增长率实际上正在很好地释放规模效应。
Here we go. Total revenues are up 30%. Total operating expenses are up 18%. See that scale coming in. It's pretty good. And their growth rate on cloud is actually scaling out nicely.
嗯,他们把云和软件放在一起了。行吧。无所谓。云和软件的费用增长了33%,相对于云业务的扩张。这有点误导,因为你用高利润率的软件业务基数来掩盖云业务的利润率。
Well, they put cloud and software together. Fine. Whatever. Cloud and software uh expenses up 33% versus um cloud expansion. That's a bit misleading because you use a high margin software base to cover up cloud margin.
我想知道他们会不会在这里把它拆分清楚。也许这就是我们有这张表的原因。总营收。不,他们没有拆分。至少在这里我看不到。云和软件是拖累项。所以这是误导性的。我能看到定价权,但它在一定程度上被这个软件类别给掩盖了。
I wonder if they clean that up here. Maybe that's why we have this sheet. Total revs. No, they don't break it down. At least not here that I could see. Cloud and software losers. So that's misleading. I could see pricing power, but it's it it is hidden somewhat by this software category.
话虽如此,这里确实有一个很大的差距,对吧?我这边看到的是60%。而软件确实增长了。哦,抱歉。又是60。把我这边搞乱了。等一下。哦,太好了。哦,太好了。我怎么重新弄?好了。嗯,总营收增长了62%。
总成本。哦,在这儿。好。对。对。对。对。77%。所以,是这些其他成本下降了。我明白了。我明白了。我明白了。我明白了。好。好。好。利润率来自更低的销售和营销费用,以及更低的重组费用。好。所以,这有点误导。所以,仍然,仍然不确定。
That said, there is a really big gap, right? I've got 60% over here. And software did grow. Oh, sorry. That's 60 again. [snorts] Screwing me up over here. Hold on. Oh, great. Oh, great. How do I redo it? There we go. Um, total revenues up 62%. Total cost. Oh, there it is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 77%. So, it's these other costs that went down. I see. I see. I see. I see. Okay. Okay. Okay. The margin came from lower sales and marketing and uh lower restructuring. Okay. So, that's a little misleading. So, still PP still uncertain.
好,重点看Oracle。我仍然没有看到Restoration Hardware的财报。我在盯着它们。
Okay, focusing on Oracle. I still also don't see Restoration Hardware earnings. I'm watching them.
在这儿。好,这是资产负债表。那么,这些人有360亿美元的现金损失。我有账单要付,全部都要付。递延大约330亿美元。330亿美元的账单。我有360亿美元现金。哦,好。然后我还有一些应收账款要进来。
应付票据。哇。应交所得税。我有119加上租赁义务加上28。119加28。1470亿美元的债务加上305亿美元的租赁。对,我是说,这里确实有一些债务。
There it is. Okay, here's the balance sheet. So, these folks have $36 billion in cash loss. I have bills to pay of all of it. Deferred about $33 billion. 33 billion in bills. I have 36 billion cash. Oh, okay. And then I've got some receivables coming in. Notes payable. Wow. Income tax payable. I've got 119 plus lease obligations plus 28. 119 plus 28. 147 billion of debt plus 30.5 billion in uh leases. Yeah, I mean there's there's some debt here.
那么,这家伙有多大?我们看看。这个,嗯,在此基础上加7%,但所以它大概是一家市值5000亿美元的公司,但他们肯定已经从谷底爬上来了。我想他们在LEO折叠期间,我想他们当时低得多。
对,他们当时跌到114。所以随着营收开始增长,他们基本上是从死亡中复活了。
Now, how big is this guy? Let's see. This is well add 7% to this but so it's it's like a half a trillion dollar company but they've certainly come up from the floor. I think they during LEO fold I think they were much lower. Yeah they were down at 114. So they're coming back from the dead essentially as as their revenue is starting to grow.
嗯,主要是因为,你知道,现在你终于可以开始部署芯片了,你正在从你对AI的一些投资中获得回报,而且他们似乎有能力在明年内偿还他们现有的债务。尽管他们不得不发行了一些股票。
uh mostly because you know now you can finally start deploying chips and you're getting a return on on some of your investments that you're making into AI and they seem capable of servicing the debt that they have within the next year. Although they've had to issue some stocks.
Oracle的债务不算可怕。我是说,它很糟糕。但不算可怕。你看,我们算的是147加30,除以一家5000亿美元的公司。他们大约有35%的长期债务,对吧?嗯,我,而且那样的话,他们有足够的现金来付账单。足够的现金来付账单。
Oracle's debt is not horrid. It's I mean, it's bad. It's not horrid. See, we're sitting at 147 plus 30 divided by a $500 billion company. They're like 35% long-term debt, right? Uh I And and then that would they've got enough cash to pay their bills. Enough cash to pay bills.
那么,他们是怎么做到的?因为他们以前没有足够的现金来付账单。他们筹集了资金。真是意外。这正是我们以为他们不得不做的事。所以,如你在这里所见,他们不得不通过发行股票筹集了200亿美元,筹集,筹集了资金。
Now, how did they do that? Because they didn't they didn't used to have enough cash to pay their bills. They raised money. What a surprise. That's what we thought they would have to do. So, as you can see here, they've had to raise $20 billion in stock, raised raised uh money.
嗯,然后你翻到这里,我想看看长期债务的增加。我需要把这个标记为现金流。好。好。这里,他们的长期债务也增加了。所以,他们的非流动负债,我是说,我可以直接把这些加起来。总债务上升了大约,那是多少,188.5减去177,大约6%。
长期债务同比增长6%。所以,他们实际上已经放缓了债务发行。所以,发行已经放缓。我们有足够的钱来付账单。我们的现金流显示他们实际上偿还了债务。我是说,他们再也做不了多少这种事了,但他们偿还了一些债务。
这挺有意思。哈。好。实际上没有以前那么可怕了。已经好多了。
Uh, and then you go in over here and I want to see the increase of debt in the long term. I need to just mark this cash flow. Okay. Okay. Here, their long-term debt has also increased. So, their non-current liabilities, I mean, I could just add all this up right here. Total debt is up about what is that 188.5 minus 177 about 6%. 6% increase year-over-year in in long. So, they've actually slowed down their debt issuance. So, issuance has slowed. We got enough money to pay the bills. Our cash flow indicates they actually paid off debt. I mean, they can't do much of that anymore, but they paid off some debt. That's interesting. Huh. Okay. It's actually not as horrible as as it used to be. It's It's gotten a lot better.
嗯,我们看看这里。研发。我想知道他们在研发什么。它下降了。所以,显然没多少。你看,我想知道,如果他们只是要进入数据中心业务,他们能裁掉多少人?不是说你想让他们裁员,但我是说,这大概就是你在重组费用里看到的情况。
Uh let's see here. Research and development. I wonder what they're researching. It's down. So, not much apparently. See, like I wonder how much can if they're just going to get into the data center business, how many people can they lay off? Not that you want them to lay off people, but I mean that's probably what you're seeing in the restructuring expense here.
哈。你看,这就是我在财报电话会上想关注的东西。让我看看,我直接谷歌一下Oracle,Oracle裁员。嗯,大规模裁员即将到来,9月8日。看看这个。老兄,那会让他们的费用暴跌。我的天。
Huh. See, that's what I would want to look at in the uh the earnings call. Let me see if I just Google Oracle Oracle layoffs. Uh large layoffs incoming September 8th. Look at that. Dude, that's going to plummet their expenses. Oh my gosh.
在哪儿?行业代码。嗯,这些只是有些人说,裁员在Oracle每年都是常规操作。不习惯像这样的大规模裁员,九小时前。这是什么?Clay试图模仿Musk,却没意识到他是用一家随手扔掉的技术公司开了先例。
Where is it? Industry code. Uh, these are just some people say layoffs are a regular thing each year at Oracle. Not accustomed to mass layoffs like this nine hours ago. What is this? Clay trying to emulate Musk, not realizing he set a precedent with a throwaway tech company.
让我看看。这里还有一条。RBC称,Oracle接连裁员以筹集资金用于AI基础设施。对。所以基本上他们就是不断裁员,因为服务端或软件端在下滑。
Let me see. Here's another one. Oracles successive layoffs to generate funds for AI infrastructure, RBC says. Yeah. So basically they just keep laying people off because the the services side or the software side's going down.
嗯,这里某个地方有9月8日,但我没看到那个公告。嗯。有意思。因为如果我们看这里,我们肯定能看出来。看有多少红色。如果我们把红色的圈出来,或者把红色的框起来,我们会看到销售和营销下降,服务下降。
哎呀。销售和营销下降,服务下降,重组,那不重要。Imagization,那不重要。这整个部分,以及GNA是持平的。所以他们让GNA保持持平,然后砍掉了营销和所有其他这些乱七八糟的东西。
Uh this is where somewhere here it had the September 8th but I didn't see that announcement. Hm. Interesting. Because if we go here, we could definitely see. Look how much red there is. If we just circle the red or put a box around the red, we're going to go sales and marketing down, services down. Oops. Sales and marketing down, services down, restructuring, that doesn't matter. Imagization, that doesn't matter. This whole section and GNA is flat. So they kept GNA flat and then they cut marketing and all this other crap.
老兄,我宁愿买 Oracle 也不买这个。而且我并不喜欢 Oracle。至少从历史上看我一直不喜欢。也许如果整个 AI 这件事不崩盘,他们会相当不错。
Dude, I'd rather buy Oracle than this. And and I don't like Oracle. At least historically I haven't. Maybe if the whole AI thing doesn't go bust, they'll be pretty juice.
关于 Oracle 有什么可说的吗?
Is there is there anything to say about Oracle?
好,我们看看。Oracle 已经签约了 4.5 的建设规模。那是建设规模。那是储备项目。但你今天也确实看到 Oracle 签下了一份 OpenAI 的协议。3000 亿美元,Oracle 披露的新增收入大部分将来自这份 OpenAI 协议。
Okay, let's see. Oracle has contracted for 4.5 buildout. That's buildout. That's pipeline. But you also did just get literally today Oracle signing an open AI deal. $300 billion, the majority of new revenue revealed by Oracle will come from the open AI deal.
OpenAI 与 Oracle 签订了一份合同,将在约五年内购买价值 3000 亿美元的算力。好,那是五年。所以那是每年 500 亿美元。
Open AAI signed a contract with Oracle to purchase $300 billion in computing power over roughly five years. Okay, that's five years. So that's $50 billion a year.
史上签署的最大云合同。该合同将需要 4.5 吉瓦的电力容量。
Largest cloud contracts ever signed. The contract will require 4.5 gawatts of power capacity.
300 除以 4.5 再除以 6。老兄,那是每吉瓦每年 110 亿美元。那实际上是一份便宜的合同,除非我读错了,而我不认为我读错了。那看起来是一份相当便宜的合同。
300 divided by 4.5 divided by 6. Dude, that's 11 billion per gigawatt per year. That's actually a cheap contract, you know, unless I'm misreading that, which I don't think I am. That that seems like a a pretty cheap contract.
所以如果 Oracle 用 4.5 吉瓦做 3000 亿美元,我的意思是那可是一笔巨大的交易。Oracle 要便宜得多,差距很大。看,这对那些大型建设来说有点偏空。
So if Oracle is doing 300 billion for 4 and a half gaww, I mean that's a huge deal. Oracle is much cheaper by a wide margin. See that's bearish a little bit uh for for the big buildouts.
Oracle 管理层已确认每兆瓦 1000 万至 1100 万美元的框架。
Oracle management has confirmed a framework of 10 to 11 million per megawatt.
所以,Oracle 股价周三一度大涨 43%,此前一家云公司披露其新增了 317 的未来合同收入。股价大涨,把他推入了 Elon Musk 的区间。
So, uh, Oracle shares have surged as much as 43% on Wednesday after a cloud company revealed it added 317 in future contract revenue. Share price surged, pushing him into the range of Elon Musk.
这份合同从 2027 年开始,对两家公司来说都是一场冒险的赌博。不到它平均每年必须支付的 600 亿美元的五分之一。Oracle 正把其未来收入的很大一部分集中在一个客户身上,很可能不得不举债来购买 AI 芯片。
The contract which starts in 2027 is a risky gamble for both companies. Less than 1/5if of the 60 billion it will have to pay on average a year. Oracle is concentrating a large chunk of its future revenue on one customer will likely have to take on debt to buy the AI chips.
是的,Oracle 在 6 月首次暗示了这笔交易,称其达成了一项将给它带来超过 300 亿美元年收入的协议。
Yeah, Oracle gave the first hint of the deal in June that it struck an agreement that would give it more than 30 billion in annual revenue.
随着更多数据中心上线,这家巨头将随着时间推移从 OpenAI 获得更多的年收入。我真的很高兴看到这个,因为这非常偏空。这正是我一直担心的,就是这些长期合同交易的价值会大幅压缩。
The giant will receive more yearly revenue from OpenAI over time as more data centers come online. I this is this is actually I'm really glad I saw this because this is very bearish. This is exactly what I've been worried about is that these long-term contract deal values would substantially compress.
这对 Oracle 是好事,因为 Oracle 的承销是按死亡来定价的,而 SpaceX 的承销则是按超级乐观来定价的。
It's good for Oracle because Oracle is underwritten like for death, but SpaceX is underwritten for, you know, super optimism.
总之,我们稍后马上会对Oracle的这份财报以及SpaceX做一次完整的拆解,不过那确实是件相当重大的事。
Anyway, we'll do a full breakdown here uh in just a moment on uh this these Oracle earnings and SpaceX, but that's that's a pretty big deal.
Oracle刚刚向SpaceX发出了一个重大警告。尽管对SpaceX的盈利预期修正有一些非常非常看多的估计,但我有点担心其中一些盈利预期是建立在溢价承销之上的,而Oracle的财报恰恰对这种承销竖了个大大的中指。
Oracle just sent a massive warning to SpaceX. And even though there are some really, really bullish earnings revision estimates for SpaceX, I'm a little concerned some of those earnings estimates are based on premium underwriting and Oracle earnings just gave us a big middle finger to that underwriting.
Oracle的合同将需要4.5吉瓦的电力。
Oracle contract will require 4.5 gawatts of power.
这对Oracle来说其实真的挺有利。OpenAI与Oracle这份2027年启动的合同,对两家公司来说都是一场高风险的赌博。
It's really actually good for Oracle. The OpenAI and Oracle contract which starts in 2027 is a risky gamble for both companies.
而Oracle预计将不得不承担债务才能真正把这件事建起来。
and uh this is uh or Oracle is expected to have to take on debt to actually build this out.
营收增长其实相当不错。我们的营收同比增长了62%。软件业务下滑了3%。事实上,在后面的内容里你会看到,他们的授权收入跌得更多。所以软件业务正在受到冲击。
Revenue growth was actually pretty decent. We increased revenue by 62% year-over-year. Software declined 3%. In fact, uh in in a later piece, you'll see that their licensing revenue fell even more. So software is getting hit.
不仅软件业务受到冲击,他们还在裁员。看看这个。服务业务的费用下降了4%,想必是裁员。销售和营销下降了12%,想必是裁员。研发下降了4%,想必是裁员。
And not only is software getting hit, but they're just cutting jobs. Look at this. Services down 4% in expenses, presumably jobs. 12% down in sales and marketing, presumably jobs. R&D down 4%, presumably jobs.
我们面对的是一家营收在增长的公司,但这些营收的成本实际上比营收增长得更快。营收增长62%,成本增长77%。所以,PPE增长得并不好,尽管看起来像是在增长,因为他们的运营费用只上升了18%,但这只是因为他们在裁员。
We have a company that is increasing revenues, but it's costs of those revenues are actually growing faster than their revenues are. Revenues are growing 62%, costs are growing 77%. So, PPE isn't growing well, although it looks like they did because their operating expenses are only up 18%, but that's only because they cut jobs.
他们实际上偿还了42亿美元的债务。这不错。平心而论,他们基本上发行了200亿美元的股票。那么,有没有可能他们因为发行了200亿美元的股票而在股价上已经见底了?也许吧,
They actually repaid $4.2 billion of debt. That's nice. In fairness, they issued basically 20 billion of stock. Now, is it possible they've bottomed out on the stock because they issued 20 billion of stock? Maybe,
因为他们的资产负债表实际上已经不像过去那么糟糕了。他们花的确实比赚的多。所以,他们的自由现金流为负,大约负54亿美元。不太好。
because their balance sheet is actually not as horrible as it used to be. They did spend more than they made. So, they had negative free cash flow of like $5.4 billion. Not great.
所以,他们的现金已经增长到大约363亿美元。他们确实有足够的现金来支付账单,因为他们终于筹到了足够的钱。他们有360亿美元的现金,而有330亿美元的账单。所以,他们终于有足够的钱来支付账单了。
So, their cash has grown to about $36.3 billion. They do have enough cash to pay their bills because they finally raised enough money. They have $36 billion in cash and they have $33 billion in bills. So, they finally have enough money to pay their bills.
他们公司市值的约35%是长期债务,而为了给他们的OpenAI合同融资,这个比例还会进一步上升。所以,押注Oracle实际上就是押注OpenAI会付账单。
They've got about 35% of their company's market cap in long-term debt, and this is going to go up even more to go finance their OpenAI contract. So, a bet on Oracle is really a bet that OpenAI is going to pay their bills.
到目前为止,我会说还没有迹象表明他们会跌落悬崖。我认为,这件事更大的教训并不是说,如果你押注 Oracle,你就是在押注 OpenAI。这没问题。这可以是一个合理的押注,因为我们可以观察 Anthropic 的 IPO 会怎样,可以逐季度观察 Anthropic 的盈利和利润率会怎样。
它们会不会因为来自中国开源权重模型或美国开源权重模型的商品化而开始断崖式下滑?我们会看到的。财报会告诉我们答案。所以,你相当于为 Oracle 找到了一个煤矿里的金丝雀。
So far, I would say there's no sign that they're going to roll off a cliff yet. I think the bigger learning lesson from this isn't that if you're betting on Oracle, you're betting on OpenAI. That's okay. Like that could be a reasonable bet because we could watch what happens with the anthropic IPO. We could watch what happens quarter over quarter with anthropic earnings and their margins. Uh are they starting to fall off a cliff because of uh you know commoditization from Chinese openweight models or US open weight models. We'll see. The earnings will tell us that. So you'll kind of have a little canary in the coal mine for Oracle.
我认为这里更大的问题在于,Oracle 正在以长期合同签下每吉瓦 130 亿到 150 亿美元的交易,这让你更接近数据中心 3 到 4 年的回本周期。这不算差。这仍然不错。你仍然能获得投资回报。
如果你能在哪怕五年内收回一个数据中心的成本,你现在就能靠它赚钱了。
I think the bigger issue here is that Oracle uh is signing deals on long-term contracts for like 13 to 15 billion per gigawatt, which that puts you closer to a 3 to fouryear payback period on the data centers. That's not bad. That's still decent. You're still getting an ROI. If you could pay back a data center in even five years, you're now making money on it.
不过,聚焦 Oracle,现在的情况没有以前那么糟了。如果你真的去看这家公司的估值,它便宜得离谱。是的,这就是我们看到授权收入下降 14.5% 的地方。
Focusing though on Oracle, this is not as bad as it used to be. And if you actually look at the valuation of this company, it's dirt cheap. Yeah, this is where we saw license revenues down 14.5%.
Oracle 第二季度收入预计增长 30% 到 34%。这就是指引。他们的市盈率约为 20 倍,而在开盘理想情况之前的预测增长率是 30%。所以目前的 PEG 是 65。它现在的估值实际上便宜得离谱。这其实不算差。
Oracle revenue in Q2 is expected to be up 30 to 34%. That's the guidance. They've got they're trading for about 20 times earnings and their forecast growth rate before the opening ideal was 30%. So we're trading for a 65 peg right now. It's actually trading dirt cheap right now. That's that's actually not bad.
这对硬件是好事。它已经把自己整顿干净了。它在签正确的交易。它在亏钱的地方裁员,同时投入更多资金。在赚钱的地方,他们正在做所有该做的事。
This is good for hardware. H it's cleaned itself up. It's signing the right deals. It's firing people where they're losing money and they're investing more money. Where they're making more money. They're doing everything they should.
讽刺的是,我在这里实际上更喜欢 Oracle,而不是 Restoration Hardware。而且我认为 Oracle 给了我们非常好的透明度,让我们看到像数据中心这类公司整体的交易定价实际上应该是什么样子。
Ironically, I actually like Oracle better here than Restoration Hardware. And I think Oracle is giving us really good transparency on what deal pricing actually should look like for companies like um the data center place overall.
这个频道对 $ORCL 的历次判断
Meet Kevin 在这只股票上共 4 条判断,这里只列相邻的几条。