ORCL 因债务成本上升和自由现金流为负而面临下行螺旋,应避免投资。
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当 Oracle 与 OpenAI 签下一笔 3000 亿美元的交易时,该股一飞冲天,投资者非常看好该公司作为人工智能基础设施参与者的未来。
When Oracle signed a $300 billion deal with OpenAI, the stock skyrocketed and investors were really bullish on the company's future as an infrastructure play in artificial intelligence.
但自那以后,该公司一路走下坡。过去一年,股价下跌超过 50%。而且有一个巨大的问题正在向 Oracle 以及实际上所有 Neocloud 公司逼近。随着整个行业耗尽了全部自由现金流,它现在依靠债务来为 AI 建设提供资金。而这笔债务正变得越来越昂贵。
But it's been nothing but downhill for the company since then. Shares are down over 50% over the past year. And there's a huge problem that is rearing its head for Oracle and really all of the Neoclouds out there.
As the industry has burned through all of its free cash flow, it's now relying on debt to fund the AI buildout. And that debt is getting more and more expensive.
我将深入探讨为什么这对 Oracle 来说是一个巨大的问题,并可能使这项建设长期难以盈利。而这最终就是投资者持有该股将要付出的代价。
I'm going to dig into why this is a huge problem for Oracle and may make it difficult for this buildout to be profitable long term. And that's ultimately the price that investors are going to pay for owning the stock.
4300 亿美元的市值,按预期计算的市盈率只有约 16 倍。这看起来相当便宜。但看看这个市自由现金流,为负 11 倍。
$430 billion market cap price to earnings multiple on a forward basis is only about 16. That looks pretty cheap. But look at this price to free cash flow negative 11 times.
首先,你可以看到这是 Oracle 的一年走势图,自从我们经历那次大涨以来,这一年简直是灾难性的,那次大涨是在 OpenAI 公告之后。这就是这里发生的情况。我认为仅在那一天,股价就上涨了约 40%。但自那以后,市场确实重新思考了那个看涨论点。
So, first of all, you can see this is the one-year chart for Oracle and it's just been a devastating year since we had that pop, which was after the OpenAI announcement. That's what happened right here.
I think shares were up about 40% just in that single day. But the market has really rethought that bullish thesis since then.
第一,该公司似乎在收缩其核心业务,裁掉数万人。这篇文章是上周的。当时,他们在过去一年里已经裁掉了 2 万人。然后本周早些时候,我们得到消息,从周一开始又有更多裁员。那些邮件在早上 6:00 发出,提到更广泛的组织变革。今天就是你在 Oracle 的最后一天。
One, the company seems to be pulling back on its core business, laying off tens of thousands of people. This article was from last week. They had already laid off 20,000 people in the past year at that time.
And then earlier this week, we got news of even more layoffs that started on Monday. Those emails went out at 6:00 a.m. citing broader organizational changes. Today is your last day at Oracle.
现在,尽管如此,你可以看看他们的利润表,实际上会对该公司相当看涨。看看 2022 年出现的营收增长拐点。开始看到他们投资云业务带来的这种增长,而且这在过去几个季度加速了,甚至净利润也在走高。
Now, despite all of that, you can look at their income statement and actually come away pretty bullish on the company. Look at the inflection in revenue growth that happens in 2022. start to see this growth of them investing in their cloud business and that has accelerated over the past few quarters and even net income is moving higher.
这不应该那么令人意外,因为他们今天所做的投资有时要折旧 20 年、30 年,至少对很多计算设备来说也要 5 年或 6 年。所以他们产生的一些成本不一定计入利润表。
That's shouldn't be all that surprising because the investments that they're making today are depreciated over sometimes 20 30 years at the very least going to be 5 or 6 years for a lot of the computing equipment.
So some of the costs that they're incurring are not necessarily hitting the income statement.
它们计入的地方是现金流量表。你只要把资本支出加进去,这张图看起来就非常非常不同。你可以看到,过去一年他们在资本支出上的花费超过了他们产生的营收。
Where they are hitting is the cash flow statement. You just add in the capital expenditures and this chart looks very very different. You can see that over the past year they've spent more on capital expenditures than they have generated in revenue.
那么这也超过了过去一年约 470 亿美元的运营现金流,就不足为奇了。甚至那个运营现金流也有点误导,因为它包含 175 亿美元所谓的未实现收入。基本上是预付的收入。这来自像 OpenAI 这样的公司,他们说,你知道吗,我们基本上会为你正在为我们建设的基础设施付一笔定金,一旦建成我们就会使用。
所以真正的运营现金流实际上只有约 300 亿美元,而且实际上比 2026 财年略有下降。
No surprise then that this also exceeds the operating cash flow about $47 billion in the past year. And even that operating cash flow is a little bit misleading because it has $17.5 billion of what's called unearned revenue.
Basically prepaid for revenue. This is from companies like OpenAI who said, you know what, we'll basically put a deposit down on this infrastructure that you're building for us that we're going to use as soon as it's completed.
So the real operated cash flow really only about $30 billion and it's actually down slightly from fiscal 2026.
所以如果你在资本支出上投入那么多,你还没有能力用业务产生的现金流来支付。你如何为运营提供资金?对 Oracle 来说,简单的答案是它们借了大量债务。截至最近一个季度,也就是本月早些时候公布的,该公司拥有约 1250 亿美元的债务。资产负债表上还有约 370 亿美元的现金。
So if you're investing that much in capital expenditures, you're not yet able to pay for that with the cash flow that's coming from the business. How do you fund the operations?
Well, the simple answer for Oracle is they have taken out a lot of debt. As of the most recent quarter, which was reported earlier this month, the company has about $125 billion worth of debt.
There is also about $37 billion worth of cash on the balance sheet.
我还想在这里引入的另一件事,是过去几年增长的东西。那就是其他长期负债。这些将是公司在资产负债表上承担的债务,会有点像债务,但财务结构不完全是同一回事,不过值得关注,因为其中一些表外负债是所有这类科技公司都在越来越多地设置的。
如果我们看不到投资者所期望的盈利能力,这将增加业务的长期风险。
And the other thing that I wanted to bring in here is something that has grown over the past couple years. That is other long-term liabilities. So these are going to be obligations that the company has on the balance sheet is going to be a little bit like debt, but not quite the same financial structure, but something to keep an eye on because some of these off-balance sheet obligations is something that all of these tech companies are putting in place much more.
It's going to increase the risk of the business long term if we don't see the profitability that investors are hoping for.
那么考虑到这一切,Oracle 的大问题是什么?我们还没有答案的是,Oracle 能否从他们投入 AI 基础设施的数百亿、数千亿美元中获得回报。
So with all of this in mind, what's the big problem for Oracle? What we don't yet have an answer to is is Oracle going to be able to generate a return on the tens of billions, hundreds of billions of dollars that they're investing in AI infrastructure.
要看的指标之一是他们的资产回报率是多少。这就是这张图所显示的。你可以看到,几年前资产回报率大约在 10%。实际上,这在过去几个季度已经下降到更接近 8% 的区间。
One of the metrics to look at is what is their return on assets. That's what this chart is showing. You can see that few years ago right around 10% return on assets. That's actually declined over the past few quarters to more in the 8% range.
为什么 8% 这个数字重要?Oracle 正在出售债务和股票来为这项建设提供资金。这些都伴随着成本。对于债务,你有利息成本。对于股票,你有投资者所期望的回报。所以,如果利率上升,那会让它变得更昂贵。
你所有未偿债务的利息支出都会更高。如果股权方面的资本成本上升,你的股价就会开始下跌。
Why is that 8% number important? Oracle is selling debt and stock to be able to fund this buildout. There are costs associated with that. With debt, you have the cost of interest.
With stock, you have returns that investors are expecting. So, if the interest rate goes up, that's going to make it more expensive. You're going to have a higher interest expense for all the debt you have outstanding.
If the cost of capital goes up on the equity side, your stock starts to drop.
那么,我们在这里看到的是,这笔债务实际上是在今年 2 月发行的。发行时的票面利率为 5.7%。你可以在 Trading View 顶部这里看到。那利息在哪里?那笔债务今天在哪里交易?
交易在约 7% 的利率。所以利率已经上升了 1.3 个百分点。
So, what we see here, this debt was actually issued earlier this year in February. And this was issued at a 5.7% coupon rate. You can see this right here at the top on Trading View.
Where is that interest? Where's that that debt trading today? trading at about a 7% interest rate. So the interest rate has gotten 1.3 percentage points higher.
现在你可能会说,利率在那段时间里上涨了。所以你会预期它更高。利率确实上涨了,但自 2 月以来,我们看到 10 年期美国国债上升了约 0.7 个百分点。而这是我们正在看的 2036 年到期的 10 年期债务。
所以它应该与 10 年期相当可比。因此,Oracle 利率的上升幅度大约是我们看到的国债上升幅度的两倍。这意味着投资者要求更多回报才愿意向 Oracle 提供债务。
Now you may say, well interest rates are up over that period of time. So you would expect that to be higher. Well, interest rates are up, but since February, we're looking at an increase of about.7 percentage points in the 10-year Treasury.
And this is 10-year debt that we're looking at 2036. So it should be pretty comparable to the 10-year. So the in increase in the interest rate for Oracle is about double of the increase that we see with treasuries.
That means that investors are demanding more to give Oracle debt.
这里的问题在于,像 OpenAI 这样的公司做出了履约义务。截至最近一个季度,有 6640 亿美元的履约义务。而市场至少预期资本支出将继续增加,到 2028 财年将超过每年 1000 亿美元。
该财年在 2028 年 5 月结束。正如我们所讨论的,该公司没有那么多现金来建设那么多基础设施。所以,他们不得不走向市场发行股票。第一财季卖出了 200 亿美元的股票。他们未来将不得不发行更多债务。
The problem here is that companies like OpenAI have made performance obligations. 664 billion worth of performance obligations as of the most recent quarter. And the market at least is expecting capital expenditures to continue increasing up to over hundred billion per year by fiscal 2028.
That ends in May 2028. As we discussed, the company doesn't have that much cash to be able to build out that much infrastructure. So, they're having to go to the market and issue stock. $20 billion of stock sold in the fiscal first quarter.
They're going to have to issue more debt in the future.
如果出现向下螺旋,这一切都会变成巨大的问题。如果你的利率开始上升,你的股价开始下跌,那么你下一轮融资去哪里?那么,如果未来的利率是 9%、10% 呢?而你的股价继续下跌。这就是向下螺旋,对像 Oracle 这样的公司来说是真实的风险,
All of this becomes a huge problem if there's a downward spiral. If your interest rate starts to go up, your stock starts to drop, then where do you go for that ne next round of financing?
Well, what if that interest rate in the future is 9%, 10%. And your stock continues to fall. This is the downward spiral that is a real risk for companies like Oracle,
对Oracle来说,我认为这是煤矿里的金丝雀。他们的成本正在急剧上升。融资对这家公司来说从来不是问题,因为他们有正的经营性现金流和正的自由现金流。但由于AI建设的规模,情况已经不再如此。
除非他们很快收手,而这可能是他们做不到的,因为他们的估值正是建立在参与这轮建设之上的。这将会成为一个真正的融资问题。
For Oracle, I think this is a canary in the coal mine. Their costs are increasing dramatically. Financing has never been an issue for the company because they have positive operating cash flow and positive free cash flow.
But that's no longer the case because of the scale of the AI buildout. Unless they pull back soon, which is something they probably can't do because their valuation is predicated on being part of this buildout.
This is going to be a be a real financing problem.
这实际上就是金融市场中泡沫形成的方式。所有人都在追逐同样的东西。而如果彩虹尽头并没有那罐金子,如果为这些项目融资的成本开始上升,如果股价开始下跌,对这些公司来说就可能是个大问题。我认为Oracle就是一个明显的例子。
This is actually how bubbles build in financial markets. Everyone is rushing after the same thing. And if the pot of gold isn't there at the end of the rainbow, if the cost to finance those projects starts to go up, if stock prices start to go down, it can be a big problem for these companies. I think Oracle is a clear example of that.
我们在其他NEOClouds身上也看到了这一点。这不是我现在会投资的领域。我认为有更好的机会,尤其是当下在AI这轮交易之外。
We're seeing it in other NEOClouds. This is not an area that I would be investing right now. I think there's much better opportunities, particular outside of this AI trade right now.
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