甲骨文近期因建设延误和债务担忧而出现的抛售被夸大,该股有望出现技术性反弹。
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Oracle 的信用违约互换价格已大幅飙升,远超 2008 年的水平。今天 Oracle 登上新闻,是因为它向 Stack Infrastructure 发出了不可抗力通知,而 Stack Infrastructure 是 Blue Owl 在新墨西哥州 Jupiter 项目的开发商。
问题显然出在他们需要用来为 Bloom Energy 燃料电池供气的天然气管道又一次延期了。这导致该股遭到抛售,也再次引发了人们对所谓人工智能带来的经济权力集中的担忧。
We've got credit default swaps skyrocketing well past 2008 levels for Oracle. And today Oracle is in the news for sending a force majour notice to stack infrastructure which is the blue owl developer for project Jupiter in New Mexico.
Apparently, the problem is their natural gas pipeline that they need to fuel their blue uh or bloom energy fuel cells is delayed yet again. And so this is leading the stock to sell off and leading once again to renewed fears about the artificial intelligence concentration of economic power so to speak.
稍后我们会继续聊 Oracle,该股目前下跌 6%,盘中一度下跌多达 7%。现在略有回升,但正在失守一些均线。
More on Oracle in just a moment, which is down 6%, was down as much as 7%. So, slightly recovering now, but losing some of the lines.
所以很自然,当你看到这样的报道——Oracle 援引不可抗力来保护自己免受一个有争议的数据中心的影响——人们就开始紧张,尤其是因为就现金流或资产负债表而言,Oracle 并不是一家特别有钱的公司。
So naturally, when you get reporting like this right here that Oracle sites forced Majour to shield itself from a controversial data center, people start getting nervous, especially because Oracle's not exactly the richest company when it comes to uh their cash flow or their balance sheet.
仅看他们过去三个月的现金流,这只是一份三个月的现金流量表。他们的营收,或者说他们带来的现金流是 230 亿美元。而他们决定花掉的不只是全部这些钱,还在此基础上多花了 50 亿美元。
比他们实际带来的现金多出 54 亿,接近 55 亿美元。所以他们在融资。他们筹集了 200 亿美元。他们的资产负债表有所改善,但仍然不算好。他们终于有了 360 亿美元的现金,多于 330 亿美元的应付账单。
但你还有另外 1470 亿美元的债务,再加上另外 300 亿美元的租赁。他们仍在融资。他们花的钱仍然比赚的多。
Their cash flow in the last three months alone, this is just a threemonth cash flow statement. They brought in revenue or they brought in cash flow of $23 billion. And they decided to spend not just all of it, but another $5 billion on top of that.
5.4 almost $5.5 billion more than they actually brought in. So, they're raising money. They raised $20 billion. Their balance sheet has gotten better, but it's still not great.
They finally have more cash at $36 billion than they have bills to pay at $33 billion. But you got another $147 billion of debt plus another 30 in leases. They're still raising money.
They're still spending more money than they make.
比如,如果你做多数据中心建设,并且做多 Nvidia、AMD、Oracle、Meta 和 Microsoft 等等,也许你可以通过买入这些信用违约互换来对冲 AI 泡沫潜在破裂的风险。
Like, if you're long the data center buildout and you're long Nvidia and AMD and Oracle and Meta and Microsoft, whatever, maybe you hedge the potential collapse of the AI bubble by buying these credit default swaps.
首先,Oracle 债务很多。这一点我们知道。我们看过它的资产负债表。但第二点是,他们与这些义务相关的一些债券现在正以折价交易。这些债券与这个 Juniper——抱歉,不是 Juniper,是与 Jupiter 项目相关,坐标指向的正是这里的新墨西哥州……
但说实在的,这些债券目前的折价约为 11%。有报道称,它们可能低至每美元 80 美分,这些债券的投资者在说:“听着,由于这些延期,我不知道自己还能不能从这个数据中心拿到任何收益,所以我现在就抛掉。
给我每美元 80 美分。我想退出。我慌了。随便吧。”这就是为什么这些债券会以折价出售。
First, lots of debt at Oracle. We know that. We saw the balance sheet. But the second thing is some of their bonds related to these obligations are now trading at a discount. Uh these bonds related to this Juniper or sorry, not Juniper, related to the Jupiter site, which the coordinates point to right over here in New Mexico...
But let's be real, the bonds right now are trading for a discount of about 11%. Uh there was some reporting that they might get as low as 80 cents on the dollar where investors in these bonds are saying, "Look, I don't know that I'm ever going to get any kind of yield on this data center because of these delays, and so I'll just dump now. give me 80 cents on the dollar.
I want out. I'm panicking. Whatever. And uh and and and that's why you get these bonds selling for a discount.
这则关于 Oracle 因新墨西哥州而管道延期的坏消息,恰好与得克萨斯州表示“嘿,我们要冻结所有新数据中心的许可审批”同时发生。
This sort of Oracle bad news about delays to their pipeline because of New Mexico happens at the same time as Texas is saying, "Hey, we're freezing all permitting for new data centers."
现在,关于这个 Oracle 的部分,这个 Oracle 的部分正试图——哦,是 180 万户家庭。我想我之前说的是一百五十万,但不管怎样,这个 Oracle 的部分——这些债券现在的交易价格已经低于每美元 90 美分。
这都是 Stargate 项目的一部分,4000 亿美元的 Stargate 项目。他们预计会使用 Bloom Energy 的产品,但同样,他们没法把管道装好,因为新墨西哥州刚刚把这条管道的路线推迟了 6 个月。
这很糟糕。截至 9 月初,施工进度约为 26%。工地上有 3500 名工人,这已经很多了。
Now, regarding this Oracle piece, the uh Oracle piece is trying Oh, it's 1.8 million homes. I think I said one and a half, but anyway, the Oracle piece uh trading, you know, below 90 cents on the dollar now for these bonds.
This is all part of the Stargate project, $400 billion Stargate project. They're expected to use Bloom Energy products, but again, they can't get the pipeline installed because New Mexico just delayed the route for that pipeline by 6 months.
And so that sucks. Construction as of early September is about 26% complete. And there are 3,500 workers on the site, which is a lot.
我确实认为围绕 Oracle 的一些戏剧性说法被夸大了。我们在这里丢掉了我的 139 线。我实际上认为这条 139 线相当关键。我没有持有任何 Oracle 股票。我不是想向你推销 Oracle 股票之类的。我不在乎。
I do think that some of this drama uh around Oracle is overblown. So, you know, we we lost my 139 line here. I actually think this 139 line is pretty critical. I don't have any Oracle stock.
Uh I'm not trying to sell you Oracle stock or whatever. I don't care.
但不管怎样,对我来说,Oracle 现在基本上已经来到 139 线上的第四次潜在反弹。我认为 139 线代表一个底部。我确实承认,由于围绕这件事的恐惧、不确定和怀疑,我们目前已经跌破了这条线,但我认为这基本上是一则无关紧要的消息。
所以,你看,我们在 8 月 19 日、9 月初、9 月中旬——就在美联储加息日那天——以及现在,都出现了不错的反弹。所以我认为这有点被夸大了。我一点也不看空。我认为,仅仅因为一个许可延期,并不会真正改变 AI 数据中心 A 正在发生、B 必须发生这一事实。
这很常见。这只是施工过程中正常的扯淡事。我一点也不看空。
But anyway, uh you know, to me, Oracle has now we're basically at our fourth potential bounce over here on the 139 line. I think the 139 line represents a bottom. I do recognize that we have fallen below that right now on this this fear, uncertainty, and doubt around this, but I think it's mostly a nothing burger of news.
So, you've got a nice bounce right here that we had on Octo August 19th, beginning of September, uh middle of September right here on Fed rate hike day. uh and then again now. So I think this is a little overblown.
Uh I'm not I'm not bearish this at all. I think you know just because there's a delay in a permit doesn't really change the fact that the AI data center A is happening and B needs to happen.
It's just common. This is just part of the normal BS that goes on in construction. And uh uh I I'm not bearish that.
这个设施预计将在 2028 年投运,而它现在有可能被推迟到 2028 年晚些时候甚至 2029 年,这很有意思,因为 2029 年有传言说 Apple 会推出他们的数据中心产品。
所以,要达到那一步只需要营销上的努力和耐心。不过,我不认为这些对 AI 交易有任何生死攸关的影响。
This facility is expected to come on in 2028 and uh you know it could end up getting delayed later in 2028 or 2029 now which is interesting because in 2029 there's talk about Apple coming out with their data center products.
So, it's just going to take marketing effort and patience to get there. I don't see any of this though as existential to the AI trade.
这篇文章提出了一个很好的观点:Alphabet、Amazon、Meta、Microsoft、Oracle 这些大支出者的这笔支出,他们将在 AI 上花费数万亿美元,而且看不到尽头。
预计从现在到 2029 年底,他们将花费 4.2 万亿美元。
Uh so you know the article makes a really good point that this spending by Alphabet, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Oracle, your big spenders here, they're going to spend trillions of dollars of on AI and there's really no end in sight.
They're expected to spend $4.2 trillion between now and the end of 2029.
泡沫要破了。天哪,Oracle 宣布了不可抗力。他们要破产了。天要塌了。不,这是一次典型的许可延期,你几乎本来就应该预料到。Oracle 只是通过极早地发出通知——嘿,我们在这里被新墨西哥州坑了——来尽可能保护自己,以免从 2028 年开始就必须支付那些账单。
工地上仍然有 3500 名工人,仍在施工,随便吧。
The bubble's about to blow. Oh my gosh, Oracle's declaring force majour. They're going bankrupt. The sky is falling. No, this is a classic permitting delay, which you'd almost expect anyway.
Oracle is just protecting themselves as much as they can from having to pay those bills starting in 2028 by giving really early notice that, hey, we're kind of getting screwed over here by New Mexico.
Still got 3,500 workers on site, still working on it, whatever.
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