OSCR并不便宜,也不值得买入;对保险公司而言,自由现金流具有误导性,因为资金并非永久留存。
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Oscar Health,一家健康保险公司,本季度表现非常出色。他们的收入非常可观。他们的订阅用户基础正在增长。自由现金流为正。一切看起来都很好。
Oscar Health, which is a health insurance company, had a really great quarter. They've got fantastic revenue. Their subscriber base is growing. Free cash flow is positive. Everything looks great.
你如何对那家公司进行反向DCF分析?对于这样的公司,你会使用什么终端增长率?这让我们思考如何着手看待这个问题。
How do you run a reverse DCF on that company? What terminal rate would you use for a company like this? And so that got us thinking about how we would go about looking at this.
我们会提供一些财务信息,但更重要的是如何思考一家保险公司,即一家金融公司。他们拥有技术栈,但真正需要考虑的是,这是一家健康保险公司。
We'll give you a little information on the financials, but more about how you go about thinking about an insurance company, which is a financials company. They have a tech stack, but really what you need to think about this company is it is a health insurance company.
收入和自由现金流都在增长,但这是否真的是你应该关注的?不。在这种类型的业务中,自由现金流并不是真正的自由现金流。
Revenues, free cashflow, growing both of those metrics, but is that really what you should be looking at? No. Free cashflow is not real free cashflow in this type of business.
这仅说明了他们显著的会员增长。我认为他们现在拥有超过300万团体会员,并且每个季度都在持续增长。这是另一个KPI的视角,即他们的保费来源。
This just illustrates their significant member growth. I think they're just over 3 million group members now, which they continue to grow each quarter. This is another look at a KPI, where they're getting their premiums from.
还有一个需要关注的指标是MLR,即医疗损失率。这将在稍后发挥作用。这就是像Oscar Health这样的公司必须从他们收取的所有保费中支付的部分。
And then one more metric to look at is the MLR, the medical loss ratio. This is gonna come into play here in just a moment. This is what a company like Oscar Health has to pay out from all those premiums they collect.
对于小型健康保险集团,最低支付比例为80%,而他们的指引是,2026年全年支付比例约为81%至82%。所以会有一些波动,但到年底,至少需要达到80%,对吧?
For a small health insurance group, minimum they have to pay out 80%, and their guidance was, like, 81 to 82% is what they would pay out for full year 2026. So there's gonna be some volatility, but at the end of the year, needs to be at least 80%, right?
这意味着流入的收入和自由现金流实际上并不是他们的钱。他们可以从中赚取一些利息收入。他们可以在支付之前投资这笔钱。
And so what that means is the revenue and free cashflow that comes in, that's not actually their money. They can earn some interest income off of it. They can invest that money before they pay it out.
这被称为保险浮存金。但基本上,这就是为什么自由现金流对于保险公司来说完全不是一个好的指标,因为大量的自由现金流流入并不是真正属于他们的,至少不是永远属于他们,可能只属于他们一两个季度。
That's called insurance float. But basically that's why free cash flow is not a good metric to use at all for an insurance company because the big influxes of free cash flow is not really theirs to keep, not for forever anyways, maybe for a quarter or two.
你可以计算保险浮存金,以了解他们拥有多少以及他们能保留多久,你也可以计算他们从中赚取多少利息收入,但这笔钱并不永远属于他们。
And you can calculate the insurance flow to figure out how much of it they have and how long they get to keep it for, and you can calculate how much interest income they earn off of that, but it's not their money for forever.
这是看待这些资金去向以及他们实际资产负债表上有什么的一个视角。保费是收入。在查看财务数据时,这将按照报告口径计算。这不是标准化报告。
And this is one look at where that money is going and what they actually have on balance. The premiums are revenue. This is going to be under as reported when you're looking at financials for this. It's not the standardized reporting.
所以保费是收入。医疗费用是他们必须支付的。所以上个季度这两项之间大约有十亿美元,然后你必须从中减去销售、一般及管理费用以及其他一些运营费用。
So the premium is revenue. Medical is what they have to pay out. So there's about a billion dollars in the last quarter between the two, and then from that you have to subtract SG&A and some other operating expenses as well.
所以这给他们留下了有限的现金。这就是你必须查看资产负债表并理解他们如何处理这些现金、将现金投资到哪里以及为什么的地方。
So that leaves them with a limited amount of cash. That's where you have to look at the balance sheet and understand what they're doing with that cash, where they're investing that cash, and why.
他们是否善待股东?简短的回答是使用GAAP每股收益。我们稍后会讲到这一点,但真正要完整地说明,你不能只看收入和净利润。
And are they doing right by their shareholders? Short answer is use GAAP earnings per share. We're gonna get to that in just a moment, but really, to round this out, you can't just look at the revenue and the net income.
对于任何金融公司,你必须查看资产负债表,而且没有简单的方法可以做到这一点。所以,我们这里有的合并资产负债表项目是不够的。
With any financials company, you have to look at the balance sheet, and there's no simple way to do this. So, the consolidated balance sheet items we have here are not going to cut it.
它不会告诉你全部的故事。但这里有一些有趣的事情值得指出,给你更多信息去深入研究。注意在资产项下,有来自CMS的应收款,金额为1.8亿美元。
It's not gonna tell you the whole story. But there are some interesting things here just to point out, to give you some more information to dig into. Notice under assets, there's receivables from CMS at $180 million.
然后在负债项下,你会看到应付给CMS的款项。超过60亿美元。
And then also under liabilities, you see payables to CMS. Over $6 billion.
所以Oscar Health,如果你关注他们的话,你可能知道,他们不专注于医疗保险计划。他们专注于……自雇人士、小企业主。
So Oscar Health, you probably know if you follow them, they focus on not Medicare plans. They focus on… self-employed, small business owners.
他们一直在谈论零工经济。这与《平价医疗法案》有关,如果你有一个非常健康的被保险人群体,你实际上必须支付费用来补贴那些拥有大量不健康人群、经常提出索赔的保险公司,比如那些拥有很多医疗保险计划的公司。
They're talking about the gig economy all the time. This is something with the Affordable Care Act where if you have, a really healthy base of insureds, you actually have to pay to help subsidize insurance companies that have a bunch of really unhealthy people that make claims all the time, like a company that has a lot of Medicare plans.
所以这实际上是一项额外的负债,值得深入研究,它绝对必须由资产负债表来管理。
And so that's actually an extra liability worth reading up on, that most definitely has to be managed by the balance sheet .
你还需要阅读附注,不仅仅是合并资产负债表,还要查阅最新的10-Q或最新的年度报告,并阅读附注。资产负债表上到底有什么?
You also need to go through the notes, not just the consolidated balance sheet, but pull up the latest 10-Q or the latest annual report and read through the notes. What's actually on the balance sheet?
你会在这里学到很多东西。这是一家较小的保险公司。他们仍在积累资产负债表上的资产,即现金和投资,这些可以赚取利息收入。
You're gonna learn a lot here. This is a smaller insurance company. They're still building up their assets on balance, their cash and investments that they can earn interest income on.
因此,这些投资中的大多数将是短期投资、短期美国国债,也许还有一些短期公司债券,但没有什么像伯克希尔·哈撒韦那样令人兴奋的,他们可以出去与谷歌达成这些非常奇特的交易,帮助谷歌为其数据中心建设提供资金,或者在2014年对苹果股票做出一个真正史诗般的选择。
And as a result, most of those investments are going to be short-term investments, short-term US treasuries, maybe some shorter-term corporate bonds, but nothing sexy like what Berkshire Hathaway can do and go out and cut these really exotic deals with Google to help Google fund its data center build-out or make a really epic pick on Apple stock in 2014.
当你成为一家更大的保险公司,并且资产负债表上有更多资产可以运用时,这种情况就会发生。但在此期间,你只能面对一家必须建模为赚取最低利息收入的公司,比如说3%或4%。
That happens when you become a bigger insurance company and you have more assets on balance to play with. But in the interim, you're kind of left with a company that you have to model for earning a minimal amount of interest income, let's say 3% or 4%.
所以这就是使用每股收益进行反向DCF的地方。所以Kasey运行了几个情景,试图解释为什么这只股票看似便宜。
And so this is where the reverse DCF using earnings per share would come in. So a couple scenarios here that Kasey ran to try to explain why the stock is seemingly cheap.
第一个是10年期限,所以稍微长一点。我们要展示的第二个要短得多。使用了3%的最终增长率和6%的增长率,表面上看起来没什么。
So this first one, it's a 10-year horizon, so a little bit longer. The second one we'll show you is much shorter. Used a terminal rate of 3% and a growth rate of 6%, which on the surface seems like nothing.
每股收益同比增长6%,看起来绝对不算什么。但考虑到你刚才说的所有内容,实现这一目标肯定会有一些困难。
A 6% year-over-year growth in earnings per share it seems like it's absolutely nothing. But take into account all that you just said, there could definitely be some difficulties in achieving that.
接下来看看三年期限的情况。这是一个更激进的比率,更接近他们预测的,未来三年15%的增长率,然后是3%的最终增长率。
And then here's a look at what a three-year horizon looks like. This is a more aggressive rate which is closer to what they're projecting, 15% growth rate over the next three years, and then a terminal rate of 3%.
最终增长率总是会收敛于无风险回报率。这就是为什么最终增长率必须低。这基本上就是市场对Oscar Health的定价。
And so the terminal rate is always going to converge on the risk-free rate of return. That's why the terminal rate has to be low. And this is basically what the market is baking into Oscar Health.
是的,也许他们还有几年真正异常的增长,因为他们从很少的利润扩展到可观的利润。但随着时间的推移,你必须建模公司的大部分利润不是来自收取保费和控制成本,而是实际管理资产负债表上的资产。
Yes, maybe they have a few more years of really exceptional growth because they're scaling off of very little profit to robust profit. But over time, you have to model for the company making the bulk of its profits, not from collecting premiums and controlling costs, but actually managing the assets on the balance sheet.
所以这并不意味着Oscar Health不便宜,也不是说它不是买入对象。有一个自定义投资论点检查清单功能。Oscar Health,你可以点击那个开始论点按钮,然后开始输入你的笔记、行业背景。
So that doesn't mean Oscar Health is not cheap, and that it's not a buy. There's a custom investment thesis checklist feature. Oscar Health, you can click on that start thesis button, and you can start putting in your notes, industry context.
基本上,描述你认为你对公司了解的内容。但这里有这些定性和定量指标。我们提供了过去一年中我们讨论过的一些指标,但你也可以创建自定义论点检查清单,包括内置的财务指标。
Basic, just describe what you think you know about the company. But then there's these qualitative and quantitative metrics here. We've provided a few of those that we've talked about in the last year, but you can also create a custom thesis checklist including with financial metrics built in.
显然,Oscar Health并不是真正的软件业务。软件是他们控制运营费用的关键部分,但这不是他们赚钱的方式。
So obviously, Oscar Health, it's not really a software business. Software is a key part of what they do in controlling their operating expenses, but that's not how they make money.
软件并不是他们赚钱的方式。销售保险才是他们最终获得收入并保留其中一部分的方式。所以你需要新的财务指标来分析这一点。
Software is not how they make money. Selling insurance is how they ultimately are going to earn revenue and then keep some of that. So you're gonna need new financial metrics to analyze this.
转到财务验证部分。所以我们刚刚在这个自定义清单中添加了几个指标。
Go to the financial validation part. So we've just added a few metrics here in this custom checklist.
公司实际能保留收入的多少部分?净利润是你可以用来判断的一种方式。当然,那也会包括利息收入,但此时利息收入只占他们净利润的一小部分。
What portion of the revenue does the company actually get to keep? Net income would be one way you could judge that. Of course, that also is going to include interest income, but that at this point is a smaller portion of their net income.
他们的费用控制如何?过去几年的净利润增长是第二个指标。
What is their expense control? Net income growth over the last few years is the second one.
资产负债表健康状况,现金及现金等价物总额。还有负债和客户索赔,以及费用效率,销售及管理费用与收入的比率。这里只是我们整理的一些指标。
Balance sheet health, total cash and equivalents. Also liabilities and customer claims, and then expense efficiency, SG&A to revenue. Just a few metrics we put together here.
然后,你可以继续到反向DCF。如果你想回到上一个项目并添加另一个指标。
And then, you can move on to the reverse DCF. If you wanna go back though to the last item and just add another metric.
让我们转到财务检查并点击添加检查。你可以输入任何你想称呼它的名称。比如说,公司偿还其可能拥有的债务利息的能力如何?
So let's go down to financial checks and click on add check. You can type in whatever you wanna call this. Let's say, what is the company's ability to pay its interest on debt that it may have?
然后你可以在这里搜索财务指标。让我们选择速动比率。
And then you can search through the financial metrics here. Let's go with the quick ratio.
然后它会把它拉起来。0.94。无论如何,这只是一个例子。那可以成为你论点的一部分。这个指标就在那里。当财务数据每季度更新时,它会自动填充。
And then it'll pull it up. 0.94. Anyways, just as an example. That can become part of your thesis. The metric is there. It auto-populates when that financial data gets updated each quarter.
长话短说,对于保险公司,你不能像评估高增长科技企业那样去评估它,比如软件公司或半导体企业。你必须做更多的工作,查看资产负债表,弄清楚公司如何管理其负债,以及它在资产负债表中承担了什么样的风险。
Long story short, for insurance companies, you can't evaluate it the same way as you would a high-growth technology business, like a software company or a semi-conductor business. You have to do a lot more work looking at the balance sheet and figuring out how the company is managing its liabilities and what kind of risk it's taking with its assets on balance.
这个频道对 $OSCR 的历次判断
Chip Stock Investor 在这只股票上只有这一条判断。