PANW 是一家高质量公司,但当前估值偏高,股价已反映了到 2027 年的增长。
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Palo Alto Networks 的股价成为头条新闻,此前 Bernstein 将这只网络安全股评级从“跑赢大盘”下调至“与大盘持平”。
Palo Alto Networks shares are making headlines after Bernstein downgraded the cybersecurity stock from " outperforming" to " matching" performance.
不过,该公司仍在提高其目标价,以反映网络安全需求的增长,以及在人工智能相关网络安全风险的担忧下如何利用这一需求。
However, the company is still raising its price target as a reflection of increased demand for cybersecurity and how to leverage it amid concerns about cybersecurity risks associated with artificial intelligence .
然而,在 Palo Alto 及其他网络安全公司上涨之后,Bernstein 认为股价中已经计入了过多的乐观情绪。
However, after the rise of Palo Alto and other cybersecurity companies, Bernstein believes that too much optimism has already been priced into the stock price.
该公司还指出,该股的交易已变得更加拥挤。根据 FactSet 数据,Palo Alto 的平均评级为“增持”,平均目标价约为 403。
The company also notes that trading in the stock has become more crowded. Palo Alto has an average "overweight" rating and an average target price of around 403 according to FactSet data .
请记住,自年初以来该股已上涨超过 100%。现在到了围绕 Palo Alto Networks 的“拔河”环节。
Keep in mind that stocks have risen by more than 100% since the beginning of the year. Now it's time for a "tug-of-war " round around Palo Alto Networks.
那么,在我们进入你们的交易案例之前,我们想知道你们对 Palo Alto Networks 的看法。我读过的每一篇关于 Palo Alto Networks 的报道都在谈论正在发生的种种好事,但增长已开始略有放缓。
So, before we move on to your trading examples, we want to know your thoughts on Palo Alto Networks. Every report I've read about Palo Alto Networks talks about all the great things that are happening, but growth has started to slow down a little.
增长率已开始略有放缓。上一季度有机增长放缓至 14%,而所有人都在谈论这是一家好公司。
The growth rate has begun to slow down slightly. Organic growth slowed to 14% in the last quarter, and everyone is talking about it being a good company.
该股已远远超出其真实价值,估值极高。确实,这是一家高质量的公司,拥有强劲的经常性收入和稳健的自由现金流,但正如我所说,我看过的每一篇报告都回到这样一个事实:与其所在板块相比的估值溢价已按 2027 年正常化。
The stock has far exceeded its true value , and the valuation is extremely high. It is true that it is a high-quality company with strong recurring revenues and solid free cash flow, but as I said, every report I looked at came back to the fact that the valuation premium compared to its sector is normalized to 2027.
所以,看来人们对此感到担忧。大多数人表示该股表现极为出色,但就是太贵了,Diane 和 Tom。
So, it seems that people are concerned about this. Most people say the stock has performed brilliantly, but it's simply too expensive, Diane and Tom.
他下调了 Palo Alto、Octa 和 Sentinel One 的评级,但提高了它们所有的目标价。他还提高了 CrowdStrike、Fortnite 以及该板块其他一些公司的目标价,但谈到的是公允价值。
He lowered the ratings for Palo Alto, Octa, and Sentinel One , but raised the price target for all of them. He also raised the price target for CrowdStrike, Fortnite, and some other names in the sector, but spoke about fair value.
Kevin 提到了他们的有机增长正在放缓这一事实,但如果你看看他们过去一年左右的收购历史,他们收购了 Console、Portkey、Coil Security 和 CyberArk。
Kevin mentioned the fact that their organic growth is slowing down, but if you look at their acquisition history over the past year or so , they have bought Console, Portkey, Coil Security, and CyberArk.
所以,他们是通过并购活动来做到这一点的,对吧?这些公司中有许多提供即时付款。一旦被收购就能立即产生回报。所以,这就是他们增长的好处。
So, they do that through mergers and acquisitions activity, right? Many of these companies offer an immediate payment. It generates immediate returns as soon as it is purchased. So, this is the benefit of their growth.
我看了他们上一季度的数据;第四财季营收增长了 34%。他们的剩余履约义务首次超过 200 亿美元,达到 212 亿美元,同比增长 34%。
I looked at their figures for the last quarter; fourth fiscal quarter revenue grew by 34%. Their remaining performance obligations exceeded $20 billion for the first time, reaching $21.2 billion, a 34% year-over-year increase.
所以,这些数字已经开始上升,我认为关于估值的讨论迟早会出现,但与此同时,这些公司在构建 AI 智能体时所需的网络安全防护量将是巨大的。
So, these numbers have started to rise, and I think the discussion about valuation will come up at some point, but in the meantime, the amount of cybersecurity protection these companies will need as they build AI agents will be enormous.
我们甚至可能不知道可以覆盖的总市场规模,也不知道企业未来需要哪种类型的网络安全。我认为这也是该领域乐观情绪的来源。
We may not even know the total market that can be addressed, or the type of cybersecurity that businesses will need in the future. And I think that's the source of optimism in that area as well.
我看了一个偏向下跌方向的东西,这并不令人意外,Diane 和 Tom。我看了一个两周、实际上是三周的日历价差。我对 9 月 8 日的预测波动大约是 23 美元。我对 10 月 2 日的波动,或者说 10 月 9 日的波动,大约是 39 美元。我选了大致居中的 30 美元。
I looked at something that leaned towards the downside, which is not surprising, Diane and Tom. I looked at a calendar difference of two weeks, or actually three weeks. I have a projected movement for September 8th of around $23.
I have a move on October 2nd, or let's say a move on October 9th, for about $39. I chose something roughly in the middle at $30.
我看了 10 月 9 日和 9 月 25 日执行价为 350 的看跌期权的估值差。它的交易价格约为 5.25 美元,这就是我们设定的价格。
I looked at the valuation difference of the put option at a price of 350 on October 9 and September 25. It is trading at around $5.25, which is the price we have set.
由于股价更高,它的交易价格可能高出十美分。它已经小幅下跌。今天它仍保持上涨,但已从最高水平回落。
It may be trading at a price ten cents higher because the stock was higher. It has dropped slightly. It remains positive for today, but has retreated from its highest levels.
这给你带来大约九个半的卖出 delta,但同时也给你带来大约 16 的买入 vega,Tom。所以,这种双重敞口让你通过 Delta 进行方向性押注,通过买入 Vega 进行隐含波动率押注,Tom。
所以,在两周看跌期权的日历价差上大约少 30 美元,Tom。
This gives you about nine and a half selling deltas, but it also gives you about 16 buying vega, Tom. So, this double exposure gives you directional betting with Delta and implied volatility betting with Vega buy, Tom.
So, about $30 less on the calendar spread of a two-week put option, Tom .
是的,在这个交易示例中你给自己带来了一些下行敞口,但让我们分析一下。10 月 9 日的周度期权。距离到期还有 22 天,买入执行价为 350 的看跌期权,然后在 8 天后到期的 9 月 25 日周度期权中卖出同一执行价 350 的看跌期权。
这是一个两周间隔的看跌期权价差。你支付大约 5.25 美元的折价成本。这就是你的风险,525 美元。
Yes, you are giving yourself some downside exposure in this trade example, but let's analyze this . Weekly option for October 9th. So, 22 days until expiry, buy a put option at a strike price of 350, then sell the same put option at 350 in the September 25 weekly options that expire in 8 days.
The spread of a bearish put option with a two-week interval. You pay a discount cost of approximately $5.25. This is your risk, $525.
你可以从风险图中看到,这笔交易的最大盈利点在哪里?在 350 的执行价附近或该水平。但这也是一种区间震荡策略,所以你很可能有一个大约 330 的下行区间,以及也许 370 到 375 的上行区间,从而有可能从这笔交易中获利。
And you can see here from the risk profile, where is the peak profitability in this deal? Okay, at or near the execution level of 350 . But this is also a range-bound strategy, so you will likely have a range of approximately 330 on the downside and perhaps 370 to 375 on the upside to potentially make a profit from this trade.
它仍然需要向下跌方向移动,不是吗?从当前水平来看。你不希望发生的是股价维持在 375 以上,或者跌破 330 水平。那样的话,你在这笔交易上也会开始失去盈利。
It still needs to move towards the downside, doesn't it? From current levels. What you don't want to happen is for the stock to stay above 375 or to fall below the 330 level. Then you start losing profitability on this trade as well.
随着下周到期日的临近,你将有能力滚动那个空头期权以赚取权利金。这有什么作用呢?它还能在你汇集余额时提高潜在盈利能力,并降低这类交易在下行方向的风险。
As the expiration date approaches next week, you will have the ability to roll over that short option to earn credits. And what does that do? Well , it also increases potential profitability when you pool balances and reduces risk in this type of trade on the downside .
现在,你只有在认为股价会跌向 350 时才会这么做,对吧?所以,Kevin 给我们的那个示例交易,你为它支付了很多,525,但按当前市场价格,这些期权的滚动价值在看跌期权这一侧非常大。
如果你滚动 375 的日历价差,仅这一项你就能收取超过 6.50 美元。因此,你可以进行的这些移仓或潜在调整,实际上为这类策略提供了显著的提升。所以,请记住这一点。
Now , you're only doing this if you think the stock will drop towards 350, right? So, the example deal that Kevin gave us, you pay a lot for it, 525, but the rollover values for the options at the current market price are very large on the put option side .
If you carry over the 375 calendar spread, you collect more than $6.50 on that alone. Therefore, these migrations or potential modifications that you can make actually provide a significant boost to this type of strategy. So, keep that in mind.
然而,相对中性且略微看跌的看跌期权日历价差给你带来了在 Palo Alto 的下行敞口。Kevin,我对这个变得稍微保守了一些,我把时间往后推了一些。我选择了 29 天后到期的 10 月 16 日期权,并查看了这只股票的图表,来构建这个中性偏看涨的看跌期权垂直价差,因为 50 日简单移动均线,我们现在已经回到其上方。它可能会在 352 美元处成为一个支撑位。
However, the relatively neutral and slightly bearish put options calendar gives you a downside exposure in Palo Alto . Kevin, I've become a little more conservative about this , and I've gone a little further back in time .
I chose October 16 options that expire in 29 days, and looked at the charts for this stock to put this vertical spread of the neutral to bullish put options, because of the 50-day simple moving average, which we have now come back above. That might become a support level at $352.
因此,我把它作为我策略的指引,同时也考虑到更高的成功概率。但我卖出了执行价为 350 的看跌期权,并买入了执行价为 340 的看跌期权。所以,这是一个中性偏看涨的看跌期权垂直价差,买价为 10 美元,我因此获得大约 260 的权利金。
Therefore, I use that as a guide to my strategy along with the higher probability of success. But I sold a put option at an execution price of 350 and bought a put option at an execution price of 340.
So , it's a vertical spread of neutral to bullish put options with a bid of $10, and I get a credit of approximately 260 for that.
它的交易价格可能在 290 附近,因为股价已经小幅回落,跌向 350 的空头执行价。但是,如果你把 260 这个余额加起来,那会把我的下行盈亏平衡点降到 347.40,Kevin。
所以,我有很多安全边际,而且我处于 50 日简单移动均线下方。
It's probably trading near 290 because the stock has dropped a little back towards the short strike price of 350. But, if you add up that balance of 260, that will lower my breakeven point to 347.40 on the downside, Kevin.
So, I have a lot of margin of safety and I'm below that 50-day simple moving average .
是的,买价为 10 美元的垂直卖出价差总计约 260 美元,也许还多几美分。这笔交易的风险是 10 美元,即执行价之间的差额减去你收到的任何权利金。它有很高的成功概率。它累积 theta 的价值,当然,它始终是风险有限的。
Yes, the vertical selling price difference with a $10 bid totals about $260 , and maybe a few cents more. The risk in this deal is $10, which is the difference between the execution prices minus any credit you receive.
It has a high probability of success. It accumulates the value of "theta", and of course, it is always a defined risk.
是的,在这笔交易中冒 740 美元的风险去赚 260 美元,但这就是我们所说的取舍。你有很大的安全边际,下行盈亏平衡点最高可达 347.60 或 347.40。所以,如果股价上涨、维持在这里,甚至小幅下跌,你都会获利。
你只是希望它保持在 350 美元以上,Diane。
Yes, a $740 risk to earn $260 in this deal , but these are the trade-offs we're talking about. You have a large safety margin of up to $347.60 or $347.40 as a break-even point on the downside.
So you will profit if the stock goes up , stays here, or even if it goes down a little. You just want it to stay above $350, Diane.
所以,你有一个看跌的垂直卖出价差,一个看跌的看涨垂直卖出价差,以及一个看跌的 Kevin 卖出日历价差。
So, you have a negative vertical sell spread, a negative bullish vertical sell spread, and a bearish "Kevin" sell calendar.
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