Prosus 被低估,因其相对资产净值存在折价且回购驱动的价值增值,但该论点取决于管理层能否兑现承诺的利润并避免破坏价值的 AI 收购。
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如果你想看看Prosus,它持有腾讯20%多的股份,它的交易有折价,但在投资方面是另一个故事。
If you want to check Prosus out, which owns a 20-something percent stake in Tencent, it's trading at a discount, but is a different story when it comes to investing.
让我们从Prosus开始。它基于腾讯。该股跟随腾讯。所以,在过去5年里,它做了腾讯所做的事情,但情况不同。市盈率是8,如果从另一个回购角度来看,甚至可能更低。
Let's start with Prosus. It's based on Tencent. The stock follows Tencent. So, in the last 5 years, it did what Tencent did, but the situation is different. The P/E ratio is eight, even lower perhaps if you look at from another buyback perspective.
他们在腾讯一文不值时买入了股份,所以Naspers分拆了Prosus以释放更多价值,因为该头寸对南非市场来说过于拥挤。
They bought a stake in Tencent when it was nothing, so Naspers spun off Prosus to unlock more value because the position was getting too crowded for the South African market.
他们还持有其他一些股份,美团、Delivery Hero。他们需要以更低的价格出售,但仍然在那里获得一些价值。
They own some other stakes, Meituan, Delivery Hero. They needed to sell it at a lower price, but still getting some value there.
好的,关键是折价。资产价值、债务、总净资产价值为每股1530亿美元,62欧元。与这里相比,现在通过购买Prosus来获得股份价值存在显著折价。
Okay, the key is the discount. Asset value, debt, total net asset value is 153 billion dollars per share, 62 euros. Compare it to here, there is now a significant discount by buying Prosus towards the value of the stakes.
然而,这不仅仅是腾讯,还有其他上市股份,以及其他非上市股份,管理层认为这些价值320亿。当然,作为价值投资者,我们总是不会按面值接受这个,但我们可以说真实价值可能是160亿。
However, this is not just Tencent, there are other listed stakes, and there are other unlisted stakes that the management thinks are valued at 32 billion. Of course, as a value investor, we will always take this not at face value, but we can say maybe 16 billion in true value.
它正在变得积极,正在变得盈利。所以,我们不是153,但我们在稍微低一点的地方,比如说130。与市值相比仍然不错,市值大约900亿美元,如果这是欧元的话,可能更多。
It's getting positive, it's getting profitable. So, we are not at 153, but we are somewhere a little bit lower, let's say 130. Still good compared to the market capitalization, which is around 90 billion US dollars, something more if this is euros.
所以,如果我们看Prosus,除了我们昨天讨论的腾讯,他们还投资于食品配送、金融、移动在线体验等领域。他们有合作伙伴,非常大的目标,但他们收购了Just Eat Takeaway等。
So, if we look at Prosus, apart from Tencent that we discussed yesterday, they are investing into this food delivery, finance, mobile online experiences, things like that. They have partners, really big targets, but they have acquired Just Eat Takeaway, things like that.
而且第一次,EBITDA显著为正,现金流已经连续第二年增加,这意味着这可能是自给自足的,因此可能不会拖累腾讯的情况。
And for the first time, the EBITDA is significantly positive, and the cash flows already for the second year are ramping up, which means that this could be self-sustainable, and therefore perhaps not be a drag on the Tencent situation.
这里是我想到的一堆业务,Despegar、OLX、欧洲卖车的平台,等等。增长基础、EBITDA、一切,自由现金流在腾讯股息带来的自由现金流之上,这意味着通过回购,他们说他们给予的比腾讯仅通过股息给予的更多,这也是正确的。
Here is the bunch of the businesses I thought, Despegar, OLX, the European platforms selling cars, whatever, things like that. Growing the base, the EBITDA, the everything, the free cash flow on top of the free cash flow from Tencent's dividend, which means that with the buybacks, they say that they are giving more than Tencent gives just with the dividend, which is also correct.
但是,在900亿市值下盈利83亿,市盈率远低于腾讯。所以,你可以在这里看到头条收益。现在,头条收益也在改善,得益于相邻业务,即非腾讯部分的贡献,这一点非常重要。
But, with 8.3 billion in profits on a 90 billion market cap, the P/E ratio is much less than Tencent's. So, you can see here the headline earnings. Now, headline earnings improving also on the adjacent businesses, the non-Tencent contribution, which is very important.
资产负债表良好,债务水平相对较低,利息保障倍数高,那里通常没什么问题。腾讯正在增加股息。腾讯增加股息越多,Prosus受益越多。
Good balance sheet, relatively low debt levels, high interest cover, nothing there often issue. Tencent is growing the dividend. The more Tencent grows the dividend, the more Prosus benefits.
目前,他们正在创造价值,但他们也在剥离一些东西,比如91、Udemy等,还有DoorDash。
For now, they are creating value, but they are divesting some things, 91, Udemy, things like that, DoorDash.
资本回报,长期大规模回购,仍然大量回购。与其他业务相比的计划,所以这也应该受益。这里是Naspers Prosus的情况,他们拥有的一大堆东西,然后我们现在剩下腾讯23%的股份。所以,仅腾讯那部分股份每股价值45欧元,这意味着你免费获得其他所有东西。
Returned capital, huge buybacks over time, high still buybacks. The plan to compare to other businesses, so that should also benefit. Here is the Naspers Prosus situations, what they own, which is a big bunch, and then we are now left with 23% of Tencent. So, just that stake in Tencent is 45 euros per share, which means you get everything else for free.
但是,好吧,折价一直是30%到50%。为什么有折价?因为你永远不知道管理层会做什么,疯狂的收购。如果他们直接给你股票,会有一些税。
But, okay, the discount has always been 30 to 50%. Why the discount? Because you never know what the management will do, crazy acquisition. There is some taxes if they just give you the shares.
所以,他们专注于回购。回报价值需要时间。但是,说个有趣的事,如果你用AI稍微研究一下Prosus,这是AI Gemini给你的结果。这家伙,几年前,他仍然担心折价和管理层意图,但情况正在改变。
So, they are focusing on buybacks. It takes time to give value back. But, just a funny note, if you research a little bit using AI with Prosus, this is what AI Gemini gives you. This guy here, he was still concerned back then, this was a few years ago, about the discount, the management intentions, but things are changing.
如果你稍微看一下上次的电话会议,CEO对事情的发展很满意,真正在增长,专注于所有其他业务,更像一个运营型CEO,而不是其他。
If you look a little bit at the last conference call, the CEO is happy how things are going, really growing, focusing on all the other businesses, more an operating CEO than the rest.
但是,他们正在出售腾讯股份,回购股票,以这种方式增加价值,因为他们以折价回购腾讯。Token claw,代理们做自己的事情。那会如何运作?我们不知道,但好吧。
But, they're doing their sales of Tencent, buying back shares, adding value like that because they're buying back Tencent at a discount. Token claw, agents doing their own thing. How will that work? We don't know, but okay.
他们说,“我期望并且我们将交付数十亿的利润。”如果发生这种情况,那么Prosus真的是一个便宜货。但是,他们也在做一些总是值得质疑的事情。向Alan投资4.6亿美元,这是一家法国AI驱动的科技企业,大约有100万人使用它。所以,他们为每个客户支付了大约460美元。
They say, "I expect and we will deliver billions in profits." If that happens, then Prosus is really a bargain. But, they're also doing something that you it's always questionable. 460 million invested in Alan, a French AI-powered tech businesses that has about what, a million people that use it. So, they paid $460 per customer or something like that.
也许他们会整合它,扩大规模,但这总是风险,这是我们必须牢记的事情。有一篇讽刺文章讨论Prosus和新皇帝,现在一切都关于AI服装,那正在偏离回购、简化价值回报、法国AI收购,减缓每股净资产增值回购,这是前皇帝曾经启动的,看看AI错误方向的巨大弹射器,给公司带来负担。
Perhaps they will integrate it, scale it, but this is always the risks, and that is something that we have to keep in mind. There was a satirical article discussing Prosus and the new emperor that is now all about AI clothes, that's going away from the buybacks, simplification of returning value, the French AI purchases, slow down the net asset value per share accrediting buybacks, which the former emperor had once set in motion, and look at the large catapult of mistaken direction with AI with weights on the company.
你要么想要腾讯,要么想要AI。也许有一天他们会分拆,谁知道什么时候更有利可图,但Prosus已经进行了回购,这些回购减少了40%的流通股,并且通过每股拥有更多腾讯股份,使每股净资产增加了80%。
You want either Tencent or AI. Perhaps they'll make a spin one day, who knows when it becomes more profitable, but Prosus has done the buybacks, and these buybacks reduced 40% of the float, and on top increased 80% the net asset value per share by owning more Tencent per share than before.
那是如何运作的?你卖出腾讯股份,回购Prosus股份,注销Prosus股份,现在每股的腾讯比例更高了。还有股息乘数效应,在股息之上还有回购。
How does that work? You sell Tencent shares, you buy back Prosus shares, delete the Prosus shares, and the ratio now of Tencent per share is higher. There's also the dividend multiplier effect with the buybacks on top of the dividend.
好吧,但重要的是永远不要相信AI。我总是检查事情,寻找信息,但我让他给我,好吧,年度每股价值创造,100亿,然后每股20亿。然后我问,“好吧,但市值是800亿。怎么可能每股只有2?”然后它调整到情况。
Okay, but the important thing is never to trust AI. I just always check things, look for information, but I asked him to give me, okay, the annual value creation per share, 10 billion, and then per share 2 billion. Then I asked, "Okay, but the market cap is 80 billion. How can that be just two per share?" And then it adjusts to the situation.
所以,在对比AI时,你必须真正了解自己在做什么。如果我看这个,4.84的价值创造,这里是两位数。如果腾讯的基本面持续增长,如果其他业务也持续表现良好并增长,这对于价值投资者来说,确实是值得考虑通过持有腾讯来投资的方式,而且不幸或幸运的是,还能获得那些现在已经盈利的AI相关机会,我们已经看到Uber接管了一些Delivery Hero的业务,甚至可能真正有价值。也许不是300亿,但可能是100-150亿,这已经是很可观的了。
So, you must really know what you're doing when comparing to AI. If I look at this, 4.84 value creation, that's double digit here. If Tencent underlying keeps on growing, if also the other businesses keep on doing well and growing, this is something to really consider for a value investing by way to own Tencent, and unfortunately or fortunately to also get all those AI situations that are now profitable, and we have seen with Uber taking over some of those delivery heroes even perhaps truly valuable. Perhaps not at 30 billion, but maybe 10-15 billion, which is already something.
所以,这是一个非常有趣的情况需要处理。你以稍微便宜的价格获得腾讯,外加很多免费的东西。总会有一些东西,总会有控股折价,但正因为控股折价,回购也带来了价值增值的情况。如果折价收窄,你就赚到了钱。
So, a very interesting situation to process. You get Tencent a little bit cheaper plus a lot of that for free. There will always be something, there will always be the holding discount, but thanks to the holding discount, there is also a value accretive situation with the buybacks. If the discount narrows, you made your money.
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