PRTH被低估;尽管高利润率的经常性资金管理收入贡献了大部分价值,其交易价格仅为自由现金流的4-5倍。
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我持有这只股票,所以我总觉得这让我对这只股票更感兴趣一些。我们要谈的这家公司是 Priority Tech,股票代码是 PRCH。
I own the stock, so I always think that makes the stock a little more interesting for me. And the company we're talking about is Priority Tech. The ticker there is PRCH.
董事长兼首席执行官在11月提出将公司私有化。Zach 发表了一封公开信。有很多事情都在亮起红灯。不是红灯,是闪烁的信号,写着有趣、古怪、奇怪,这总是让我兴奋起来。
the chairman off the CEO offered to take them private in November. And Zach published a public letter. there's a lot of things that are just flashing red flags. Uh not red flags, flashing signs that say interesting, weird, strange and uh that always gets me jazzed up.
我要披露一下,我持有我们今天要谈的这只股票的仓位。Zach,我们今天要谈的这家公司以 PRTH 交易,它是 Priority Technology Holdings。这是一家非常引人注目的公司。
I'll disclose I have a position in the stock we're going to talk about today. So, Zach, the company we're going to talk about today is trades under PRTH. Uh it is Priority Technology Holdings. It's a really fascinating company.
PRT 是什么?为什么它现在这么有意思?去年11月,我们公开反对了 Priority 董事长兼首席执行官 Tom Priori 提出的初步私有化方案。
What is PRT? Why are they so interesting right now? Uh last November we did publicly oppose a preliminary tech private proposal made by priorities chairman and CEO Tom Priori.
公司超过90%的业务要么是经常性收入,要么是重复性收入,提供了非常高的可预测性。
Over 90% of the company's business is either recurring or reoccurring providing a very high level of predictability.
其60%的业务来自高质量的 treasury 板块,这实际上是一项 EBITDA 利润率超过80%的经常性收入软件业务,过去四年 EBITDA 增长了两倍。
60% of its business comes from the highquality treasury segment which is effectively an 80% plus EBITDA margin recurring revenue software business that has tripled EBITDA in the last four years.
尽管有这一切,Priority 今天的交易价格只有自由现金流的四到五倍,而这家公司的每股自由现金流一直在以10%以上的速度持续增长。
Now despite all that priority today is trading between four and five times free cash flow for a business that's consistently growing free cash flow per share at 10% plus.
所以我认为有多种估值分析表明,PRH 的真实内在价值要高得多。Priority 不只是一家支付业务。它由三项经济特征截然不同的业务组成:商户解决方案、应付账款和 treasury 解决方案。
So I think there's multiple valuation analyses uh that suggest the true intrinsic value of PRH is significantly higher priority is not just one payments business. It consists of three businesses with very different economics. Uh merchant solutions, payables and treasury solutions.
我认为 treasury 正是理解这家合并后公司为何被显著低估的关键。
And I think treasury is really the key to understanding why the consolidated company is significantly undervalued.
Priority 内部确实有一项支付处理业务,类似于 Global Payments 的 Shift,但 treasury 才是今天价值的大部分。
it's not priority does have a payment processing business within it similar to like shift for global payments but treasury is really the majority of the value today.
Treasury 基本上创造了2.15亿美元的收入,以及约1.8亿美元的调整后 EVITA,也就是大约84%的 EVA 利润率。
So Treasury basically generated $215 million of revenue and around $180 million of adjusted EVITA or roughly an 84% EVA margin.
Treasury 的业务中最大的组成部分是 CFT pay,它来自 Priority 在2021年对 Finsera 的收购。
So what Treasury does is uh the biggest component is CFT pay which came through their acquisition priorities acquisition of Finsera in 2021.
我认为其中最令人兴奋的一点是分销方式,因为 Priority 并不是自己去获取每一个消费者或客户。它是与企业合作伙伴整合,这些合作伙伴随后能把成千上万的底层账户带到它的平台上。
It's I think one of the most exciting things about that is the distribution because priority isn't going out and acquiring each individual c consumer or customer itself. It's integrating with enterprise partners that can then bring them tens or hundreds of thousands of underlying accounts onto their platform.
因此 Priority 可以建立一个企业合作关系,然后从大量终端客户身上变现。这显然创造了极具吸引力的单位经济效益。
And so priority can establish one enterprise relationship and then monetize a very large number of end customers. Uh and that obviously has created extremely attractive unit economics.
就他们如何赚钱而言,他们在账户开立时收取注册费。基本上只要账户保持活跃,他们就收取经常性的月度订阅费或服务费,然后在资金通过支票或电汇发出时收取交易费。
So in terms of how they make money uh they make money with enrollment fees when an account is established. They make a recurring monthly subscription or servicing fee uh basically as the account remains active and then they make transaction fees when the money is sent through a check or wire.
所以这本质上又是一项高度经常性的、类似软件的收入,显然在过去三四年里增长非常快,而且利润率极高。所以人们把 Priority 看作一家支付公司。我更倾向于把它看作一个由多种业务组成的集团,但 CFT Pay 是最重要的业务,这也是我先从它讲起的原因。
And so it's a highly recurring again essentially software-l like revenue uh that obviously has uh has grown very fast over the last three or four years uh and also has an extremely high margin. So people think of priority as a payments business. I think of it more as a uh sort of conglomerate of various businesses but CTF pay is the most important business kind of which is why I'm starting with that.
再稍微多讲一点 Finser。它是在 2021 年被收购的,当时收购时它还是一项规模不足的业务,但它的毛利率仍有 93.5%,EBITDA 利润率有 68%。
Um, so going into Finser just a little bit more. So acquired in 2021, when they acquired it, it was a subscale business, but it still had a 93.5% gross margin and a 68% evida margin.
由于他们在过去四年里基本上把这项业务扩大了两倍多,它的调整后 EBIT 利润率已经增长到超过 80%。所以无论从增长角度还是从利润率角度来看,这都是一项了不起的业务。
As they've basically more than tripled the business over the last four years, you know, it's grown to over an 80% adjusted EBIT margin. So it's just it's been an incredible business both from a growth standpoint as well as from a margin standpoint.
我想强调这一点,因为如今 Priority 被拿来与 Shift 4、Global Payments 以及其他支付公司做比较。虽然那只是他们业务的一小部分,但他们所做的大部分业务实际上是 CFT Pay。
And that's I just want to harp on that because you know, today priority has been comped to shift for global payments, other payments businesses. And while that is a minority of what they do, it, you know, the majority of what they do truly is CFT pay.
我认为这是一项了不起的业务,理应获得比支付板块高得多的估值倍数。
And I think that's just an incredible business that deserves a much higher multiple than the payment segment.
所以如果你看一下,平均 Build 客户数增长得非常显著。汇款收入以 20% 多的速度复合增长。可以说,在多年时间框架内,增长真的非常、非常有吸引力。
Uh so if you kind of look at, you know, average build clients has grown very dramatically. Uh you know, money transmission revenue has compounded in the 20s. You know, there's just uh I would say really, really attractive growth over a multi-year time frame.
另外我想说的是商户解决方案,我会少花点时间在这上面,它是为商户处理银行卡交易,其经济特征看起来更像传统的收单行业,比如 Shift 4 或 Global Payments。
Um the other thing I would say so merchant solutions u you know I'm going to spend less time on that's you know processing card transactions for merchants uh its economics look much more sort of like the conventional acquiring industry like a shift for or global payments
今年 6 月发生了一笔非常合理的可比交易,一家叫 Paneer 的公司以大约 8.3 倍 ITA 的价格被出售,如果只用这个估值——我认为这低估了 Priority——你仍然能得到每股 12 美元,而 Priority 今天交易在 550 左右。
所以从这里你仍然有超过 100% 的上涨空间,但话说回来,我认为它值更多。
uh there was a very uh reasonable comp that occurred in June of this year a business uh called paneer that was sold at about 8.3 times ITA and if you just use that valuation which I think undervalues priority you would still get $12 a share and priority trades around 550 today. So, you still get over 100% upside from here, but again, I think it's worth more than that.
应付账款业务我真的不打算重点关注。它太小了,没有意义。我认为真正值得谈的两个主要板块是资金管理和商户。所以,虽然还有第三个板块,但我认为不值得强调,因为它在目前这个阶段相对不重要。
The payables business I'm really not going to focus on. It's just too small to be meaningful. I think the two main segments to really talk about our treasury and merchant. So, um while there is a third segment, I just don't think it's worth harping on because it's relatively immaterial at this point.
任何一直关注市场的人都知道,过去一年里发生了 SaaS 大灾难,也发生了支付大灾难,对吧?你提到了几个可比公司。Shift 4 是我想到的那个。我明白这些业务并不完全可比,但我认为 Shift 4 之所以突出,是因为有那么多价值投资者在里面。
他们那位现在去了 NASA 的人,大规模股票回购,这是一只相当有争议的股票,便宜,大规模股票回购,这就是我脑海中浮现的那个,但肯定还有其他公司,这些公司过去一年到 18 个月里大部分都被血洗了。
anyone who's been following the markets knows that there's the SAS apocalypse and there's the payments apocalypse that's happened over the past year, right? And and you mentioned several of the comps. You know, Shift 4 is the one that comes to my mind. I understand the businesses aren't completely comparable, but I I think Shift 4 just because so many value investors are in it. They've got uh the guy who's over at NASA now that huge share buybacks re pretty controversial stock cheap huge share buybacks that's the one that pops to mind but there's certainly others all of these guys have been slaughtered for the most part over the past year to 18 months
所以我想先从非常高的层面开始,你已经大致说明了为什么你认为这项业务与其中一些有所不同,但当你买入它时,是什么让你有信心,让你知道自己不是在买一个终局归零的东西,或者你看着支付领域的其他公司说,嘿,这家公司没有暴露于某些残酷的竞争,或者那些会取代这些东西的 MetaMuse 之类的东西,是什么让你在这里有信心?
so I I guess I would just start off just very high level you've kind of laid out why you think this business is a little bit different than some of those but what gives you confidence when you're buying this that you know you're not kind of buying a terminal zero or you look at the rest of the payment space and say hey this isn't exposed to some the brutal competition or the you know the metamuse or all these things that are going to displace these things like what what gives you the confidence here?
是的,我想首先指出的是,我刚才提到的那笔 Paneer 交易,它实际上就发生在 6 月。所以它已经包含了支付大灾难,包含了 SaaS 大灾难,而它仍然是 8.3 倍 ITA,那大约相当于 Priority 每股 12 美元的股价。
Yeah, I guess the first thing I would point to is that just paying your transaction that I mentioned you know that literally happened in June. So that incorporates the payments apocalypse incorporates the SAS apocalypse you know and it still was 8.3 times ITA and and that would be about a $12 stock for priority.
再说一次,那是针对支付部分的。所以如果我们想简单地、为了听众大致说一下,大约 60% 的业务更像是软件经常性收入业务,大约 40% 是支付。这是一种过度简化,但我认为已经足够接近了。
Now again that is for the payments component. So if we want to just simplistically uh just for the audience try and say roughly 60% of the business is more of a software recurring revenue business roughly 40% is payments. That's an oversimplification but I think it's close enough.
那些以 Treasury Solutions 这样的速度增长的 SaaS 业务,仍然享有两位数的 EV/EBITDA 倍数。所以那些业务仍然,如果你看 Toast,如果你看 PAR,如果你看支付领域各种相对类似的公司,你仍然看到两位数的倍数。
The you know SAS businesses that are growing at the level that treasury solutions is growing you know still command doubledigit evid multiples. So those businesses are still, you know, if you look at Toast, if you look at PAR, if you look at various businesses that are relatively similar in the payment space, you're still looking at double digit multiples.
所以这是我想说的第一点。而且你还有一笔刚刚发生的私募交易,大约在 8.3 倍的区间。所以我认为从估值倍数的角度来看,你已经有了足够的依据。
So that's the first thing I would say. And you also have a private transaction that literally just occurred, you know, in the sort of 8.3 times range. So I think you have enough from that perspective on the multiple basis.
然后仅从业务质量的角度来看,Treasury Solutions 不会消失。AI 不会取代它。AI 真的不可能与它有任何关系,因为它是整合的金融基础设施。所以 AI 不会为客户开设银行账户。
它不会设置那些交易。这些事情我认为完全不会受到 AI 的威胁。
And then just from a business quality standpoint, I mean, Treasury Solutions isn't going anywhere. Like AI is not displacing that. There's really no way that AI would have anything to do with that because it's integrated financial infrastructure. So AI is not going to set up bank accounts for customers. It's not going to set up, you know, those transactions. Those things are all things that I think are are sort of not at risk at all from AI.
我确实听到你说的,它们可能不会推出,它们可能不会开设银行账户,但 Instinct 所做的实际上就是拿你的社会安全号码去开设银行账户之类的事情。所以它正在推进,我 99% 同意你,但我心里还有 1% 在想,天哪,它在那里推进得真的很快。
I do hear you on they're probably not going to launch um they're probably not going to set up bank accounts, but literally what Instinct does is take your social security number and set up bank accounts and stuff. So, it's moving I I do 99% agree with you, but there's the 1% of me that's like, "Oh, man. It it is moving really fast up there."
让我就这项业务再问一个问题。你知道,我在关注这个过程时显然一直在读财报电话会议,有一个在高层面上非常有趣的事情跳出来。现在,他们把原因归咎于会计,归咎于不同的东西,但你读第二季度的电话会议,对吧?
他们说,嘿,我们要上调收入指引,或者我们将达到收入指引的高端,但我们将落在 EBITDA 指引的低端。然后你继续读下去,他们在说,嘿,我们有所有这些增长快于整体业务的业务,但很多业务利润率更低,或者它们有一些情况。
现在,这在一定程度上影响了收入和利润率。他们有一些情况是他们是记录支付方而不是商户。所以他们以低得多的毛利率来记账。所以我就想问你,面对这么多不同的变动因素和一点可比会计的复杂性,你怎么看这项业务?你认为这项业务在当下表现如何?
Let me just ask one more question on the business. You know, I I I been reading the earnings calls obviously as I've been involved in following this process and there there's one really interesting thing just at a high level that jumps out. Now, they kind of blame the accounting and they blame different things, but you read the Q2 call, right? And they say, "Hey, we're raising our revenue guide or we're going to come in at the high end of our revenue guide, but we're going to come in at the low end of our EBITDA guide." And then as you keep reading it, they're talking about, hey, we've got all these businesses that are growing quicker than our overall business, but a lot of a lot of the businesses are lower margins or they've got some things. Now, this is partly influencing the revenue and margin. They've got some things where they're the payment of record versus a merchant. So, they're booking it at a much lower gross margin. So, I just want to ask you like how do you look at this business with there's a lot of different moving parts and there's lot a little bit of comp accounting complexity. Like how do you think the business is just performing in the here and now?
我认为这项业务的表现完全没有问题。Treasury 业务同比仍然增长得非常好,这显然很重要。再次强调,Treasury 是我最关注的业务,它仍在持续增长。总的来说,我对目前的进展感到满意。
>> I mean, I think the business is performing completely fine. You know, I think you still have Treasury growing very nicely on a year-over-year basis, which obviously I think is important. Again, I think treasury is the business I'm the most focused on and you know that continues to grow. Um, and so I I guess generally speaking, I'm I'm happy with how things are going.
我认为一切都要相对来看。当你以四到五倍自由现金流的价格买入,而谈论的是一家每股自由现金流仍在以 10% 以上增长的公司时,它的定价却像是要倒闭的企业,而实际上它在产生大量现金。
Um, you know, I think again everything's relative, right? When you're paying four to five times free cash flow and you're talking about out of business that's still growing free cash flow per share at 10% plus, you know, I it's it's priced for a business that's going out of business when in reality it's actually generating a ton of cash.
净债务实际上也确实下降了不少。所以他们每个季度都在偿还债务。所以我认为这项业务做得相当不错,尤其是考虑到当前的整体环境和估值。
you know, net debt even does come down actually quite a bit. So, they're paying down debt every single quarter. Um, so yeah, I I think the business is doing quite well, especially given um sort of the overall environment and valuation today.
你提到了净债务,我认为这是人们可能会纠结的另一个地方。你也给出了基于支付方倍数的估值,按这个倍数股价会翻一倍以上。所以这在一定程度上解决了这个问题。但我认为人们可能会纠结的另一点是,你看这张资产负债表,上面有大量债务。
人们可能会说,Zach 在算自由现金流,这很好,但在这之前还有大量债务。所以你能不能谈谈你如何看待杠杆以及公司的财务结构?我会说他们的财务结构与其它同行非常相似。
You mentioned net debt and I think that's the one other place people might get hung up on. Now, you also gave the valuation on the payer multiple and the stock would be like more than a double on the payer multiple. So that kind of solves for this. But I think the other people think people might get hung up on is you look at this balance sheet and there is a lot of debt, right? And people might say, "Hey, Zach's doing uh a free cash flow number and that's great, but there's a lot of debt in front of that." So do you just want to talk about how you think about the leverage and kind of the financial profile of the company? >> Yeah, I mean I would say their financial profile is very similar to other peers.
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