TME 是一项被低估的投资机会,其高现金市值比为应对竞争和增长放缓提供了安全边际。
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腾讯音乐娱乐的股价在过去一年里下跌了68%。市盈率已降至个位数。现金流动性占公司市值的半数以上。公司盈利,派发股息,并回购股票。怎么会这么便宜?
Tencent Music Entertainment's stock fell by 68% over the past year. The price-to-earnings ratio reached the single digits . Cash liquidity represents more than half of the company's market value.
The company is profitable, pays dividends, and buys back shares. How could it be so cheap?
而就腾讯而言,可以说这一点是成立的。腾讯音乐娱乐集团几乎掌控了中国的在线卡拉OK,拥有索尼、华纳和环球等全球大型公司的授权出版权,以及自有的中文内容、现场活动,以及腾讯平台上的所有内容。
And when it comes to Tencent, one can argue that this exists. Tencent Music Entertainment Group practically controls online karaoke in China, with licensed publishing rights from major global companies such as Sony, Warner and Universal, as well as proprietary Chinese content, live events, and everything on the Tencent platform.
长期以来,由于TikTok和竞争性服务的存在,收入近来有些停滞。但公司依然存在。它盈利,并且拥有强劲的现金状况。
Over time, revenues have stagnated a bit recently with the presence of TikTok and competing services. But the company still exists. It is profitable and has a strong cash position.
那意味着几十亿,是多少?60亿美元。这相当于市值的一半。
That means a few billion, what is that? $6 billion. This is equivalent to half the market value.
盈利能力健康。其中有股票投资,27亿。环球、Spotify等公司的股份。其他金融资产,大约另有20亿美元。这个金额略少一些,20亿元人民币,但还有更多。
Healthy profitability. There are investments in stocks, 2.7 billion. Shares in Universal, Spotify, and things like that . Other financial assets, approximately an additional two billion dollars.
This amount is slightly less , 2 billion yuan, but there is a lot more.
看业务方面,这些是长期投资,53亿,我在这里已把它们换算成美元。
Looking at the business, these are long-term investments, 5.3 billion , and I've converted them here into dollars.
现金,34亿,总计45亿。也有一些负面名声,尤其是来自最近的收购。但有趣的是,总资产达到170亿。如果你稍微看一下他们的非交易性投资是什么,我们持有Spotify的股份,而Spotify在那家公司持有大量股份。
Cash, 3.4 billion, 4.5 billion in total. There is also some notoriety, especially from the recent acquisition. But what is interesting is that the total assets amount to 17 billion.
If you look a little at what their non- traded investments are, we have a stake in Spotify, and Spotify has a large stake in the company there.
持有“环球音乐”集团的股份。这是另一个值得考虑的有趣情况。
A stake in the " Universal Music" group. This is another interesting situation to consider.
该股价格很低。Bill Ackman 曾想以当前价格三倍的价格收购。我们可能会再次进一步调查此事。战略股份和金融资产,40 亿。
The stock is low. Bill Ackman wanted to pay three times the current price. We may investigate this further again . Strategic shares and financial assets, 4 billion.
长期存款,20 亿,外加 40 亿现金。这是什么?这大致相当于全部市值中的流动资产,也就是 120 亿的权益。
Long-term deposits, 2 billion plus 4 billion in cash. What is this ? This is roughly equal to the entire market value in liquid assets, which is the equity of 12 billion.
你以这个价格买入,是按账面价值买的。他们最近收购了 Himalaya,一家播客公司。我不知道他们将在自己的业务中做哪类工作。
You are buying at this price for book value. They recently acquired Himalaya, a podcast company. I don't know what kind of work they will be doing in their own businesses.
现金流良好,尤其是过去几年,每年都超过 10 亿美元。他们开始派发股息,并开始进行大规模股票回购。他们已宣布 10 亿美元的股票回购,而且仅一个季度就已经完成了 4 亿美元,所以他们可能会再次增加回购。
Good cash flow, especially over the past few years, with each year exceeding one billion dollars. They started paying dividends and began making large share buybacks. They have announced a $1 billion share buyback, and they have already done $ 400 million in just one quarter, so they may increase that again.
他们以 24 亿收购了 Himalaya。为此他们发行了股票,所以谈到股票回购和股票发行时,这始终是一个关键问题,但他们正在把这项工作整合进自己的业务,而且很可能存在用户重叠,但他们正在打造更多的这种生态。
They acquired Himalaya for 2.4 billion. They have issued shares for that, so when it comes to share buybacks and share issuances, that is always a key question, but they are integrating the work into their own business, and there are likely to be overlaps with users, but they are creating more of that ecosystem.
3 亿用户,这里还有 5 亿。因此,那里一定会有一些新用户。但他们把历史净利润的 50% 花在了这笔收购上,这表明当你不得不把长期积累的收益中如此大的一部分花出去以维持市场地位时,这并不是一门轻松的业务。
300 million users, and 500 million here. Therefore, there must be some new users there. But they spent 50% of their historical net income on this acquisition, showing that it is not an easy business when you have to spend so much of what you have earned over time to maintain your position in the market.
不过,他们预计收入会有一定提振。他们预计当前利润率会有一定压力,但长期来看,他们需要把 Himalaya 中付费最高、最有价值的客户争取到自己的平台上。
However, they expect some boost in revenue. They anticipate some pressure on current margins, but in the long run they need to win over the highest paying and most valuable customers from Himalaya to their platform.
但主要的挑战在于,Tencent 的月活跃用户下降了 4.3%,降至 5.51 亿,而这正是市场所担心的。
But the main challenge is that Tencent 's monthly active users have fallen by 4.3% to 551 million, and this is what the market fears.
当你看看正在发生什么,我们有“番茄畅听”,而你要与“ByteDance”、“TikTok”、“抖音”之类的东西竞争。这是一个极其强劲的竞争对手。竞争非常激烈。
When you look at what's happening, we have "Tomato Smooth Listening," and you're competing with " ByteDance," "TikTok ," "Duyin," and things like that . This is an extremely tough competitor. There is a lot of competition.
中国人每天花在手机上听东西的时间不可能超过 8 小时。由于这个原因,再加上竞争日益加剧,该股下跌了。但我们必须看看,我们 120 亿的市值能换来什么回报?
Chinese people cannot spend more than 8 hours a day on their phones listening to things. For this reason, and with that increasing competition, the stock declined. But we have to see, well, what do we get in return for our market value of 12 billion?
我们已经讨论过那些批评。所以,60 亿现金,然后他们回购股票。他们宣布了这件事。他们为什么要发债来进行回购交易?因为他们根本无法把这 60 亿从中国拿出来。
We have already discussed the criticism . So, 6 billion in cash, and then they buy back the shares. They announced it . Why do they issue debt to carry out buyback transactions ?
Because they simply cannot get the 6 billion out of China.
他们借入一笔贷款,然后随着时间推移慢慢进行回购等等。因此,他们试图利用手中庞大的现金储备,而这些现金他们根本不被允许返还给全球投资者。
They take out a loan, and then slowly over time they make buybacks and everything. Therefore, they are trying to take advantage of the huge pile of cash they have, which they are simply not allowed to return to global investors.
中国就是这样运作的。要把资金汇出中国,他们要付的可不只是10%的税。说白了,就是不被允许。但话说回来,在这600当中,他们可以在这里借一笔贷款,然后去做那件事。
This is how China operates. It's not just a 10% tax they'll have to pay to send money out of China. Simply put, it's not allowed. But well, out of the 600, they can take out a loan here, and do that .
他们仍然盈利。他们仍然在赚十亿。他们进行了一些回购并支付股息。他们完成了这笔巨额收购。他们可能还会进行其他收购。
They are still profitable. They are still making a billion. They carry out some buybacks and pay dividends. They made this huge acquisition. They may make other acquisitions.
但仍有13亿美元的净利润,对应120亿美元的市值。这仍然很疯狂。有一些增长。这是一个竞争激烈的环境,但市值的50%以现金、资产和其他股份的形式存在,看起来具有投资价值。
But there is still $1.3 billion in net income compared to $ 12 billion in market value. This is still crazy. There is some growth. It is a competitive environment, but with 50% of the market value in the form of cash, assets and other shares, it looks like an investment value.
市场在担忧什么?有机增长放缓、活跃用户下降、竞争加剧,以及社交娱乐的走弱,仅仅是因为竞争太过激烈,而且他们很幸运,我还没在中国做投资视频。这个玩笑抱歉了。我实在忍不住。
What is worrying the market? We have a slowdown in organic growth, a decline in active users, an increase in competition, and a weakening of social entertainment simply because of too much competition, and they are lucky that I am not in China to deliver investment videos yet. Sorry for the joke. I couldn't resist it.
但话说回来,由于那次合并,利润率面临压力。那次合并的价值只能在未来几年才能显现,而且许多分析师已经下调了其评级。
But well, there is pressure on the margins because of that merger. The value of that merger can only be seen over the coming years, and many analysts have downgraded its rating.
Goldman Sachs和JPMorgan已经下调了评级,但Barclays仍然乐观。分析师看到了什么?竞争压力,以及来自Himalaya的利润率压力,意味着他们希望看到改善,就像分析师一贯的做法那样,才会说任何正面的话。
Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan have downgraded the rating, but Barclays remains optimistic. What do the analysts see? Competitive pressures, and pressure on margins from Himalaya , mean they want to see improvements, as is always the case with analysts, before they say anything positive.
当一切看起来都很好时,分析师会变得过度乐观。当一切看起来都很糟时,分析师会恐慌。因此,我们可以从分析师那里获取信息,但不是买入、持有或卖出的建议。
When everything looks good, analysts become overly optimistic. When everything looks bad, analysts panic. Therefore, we can obtain information from analysts, but not recommendations to buy, hold, or sell.
随着他们通过收购Himalaya以较低的利润率扩张,存在一些关于稀释的担忧。无论如何,我们可以说下行风险现在已经被消化了。我们在现金流、股价、价值、Spotify等等方面都触及了谷底。
There are some concerns about dilution as they expand at lower margins through the acquisition of Himalaya. In any case , we can say that the downside has now been priced in. We're hitting rock bottom in cash flow, shares, value, Spotify, and things like that.
因此,我们可以说Tencent Music现在具有投资价值。我看了一下电话会议以及正在发生的事情,这可能就是关键。当CEO开始谈论第二增长引擎时。这意味着第一增长引擎,也就是核心业务,已经达到了它的全部潜力,而他们现在正在寻找新的增长领域,这往往代价高昂,比如收购Himalaya之类的。
Therefore, we can say that Tencent Music now represents an investment value. I've looked a bit at the conference call and what's going on, and that might be the key. When the CEO starts talking about the second growth engine.
This means that the first growth engine, the core business, has reached its full potential, and they are now looking for new growth areas, which can always be costly, such as acquiring Himalaya and the like.
竞争很多,但Tencent内部也有一个协作的环境,他们可以依靠。这是一个关于竞争优势的好问题,他们讨论了如何专注于付费更高的客户,并且不可避免地会失去那些较弱、付费较低的客户。这就是为什么我们看到用户数量下降了5%。
There is a lot of competition, but there is also a collaborative environment at Tencent that they can rely on. This was a great question about competitive advantage, and they discussed how they focus on higher-paying customers , and will inevitably lose those weaker, lower-paying customers.
This is why we are seeing a 5% decrease in the number of users.
这是个好问题。关于Himalaya合并以及随后的股东回报。总现金为440亿,占当前市值的40%,如果把所有资产都算进去,可能达到50%。
That's a great question. Regarding the Himalaya merger and then the shareholder returns. Total cash is 44 billion, which is 40% of the current market value, and possibly 50% when all assets are taken into account.
那么,未来我们将如何提升股东价值?至于增援,他们会继续做他们目前正在做的事情。关于Himalaya的合并,他们说这会在长期内略微降低整体利润,但转化率以及其他方面应该会增长。
So, how will we enhance shareholder value in the future? As for reinforcements, they will continue to do what they are currently doing. Regarding the Himalaya merger, they say it will reduce overall profit slightly over time, but the conversion rate and everything else should grow.
关于回购操作,它们已经完成,而且他们还在继续推进。因此,随着时间推移,这应该会带来不错的回报。根本问题是:Tencent Music在10年后还会从事音乐业务吗?竞争会彻底摧毁它,还是它会保持盈利?
Regarding the buyback operations , they have already been completed and they are continuing with them . Therefore, over time it should generate a good return. The fundamental question is: Will Tencent Music still be in the music business 10 years from now?
Will competition completely destroy it, or will it remain profitable ?
如果它保持盈利,并在其生态系统中、在这个那个方面以及回购中实现增长,那么这将是一笔不错的投资。尤其是考虑到该股在这个那个方面具有安全边际。
If it remains profitable and grows in its ecosystem, in this and that, and in buybacks, then this will be a good investment. Especially with the margin of safety in the shares in this and that.
因此,我决定暂时把它加入我们总体价值投资框架中的价值押注部分。所以,我必须说,我对Tencent Music非常感兴趣。
Therefore, I decided to add it here for the time being to the Value Bets section of our general Value Investment box. So, I must say that I am very interested in Tencent Music.
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