TTD是一项“太难”的投资,因为广告科技动态复杂且增长放缓(从28%降至12%),所以即使当前估值较低,我也不会买入。
逐段跳播
你已经知道我说的是哪家公司了吗?哦,我知道。我知道。你肯定说的是 The Trade Desk。而且我很高兴我们没有买那家。我仍然记得在我们周日发布那期节目后的下一个交易日,它下跌了 40%。
虽然我们当时因为现在看来是正确的理由而决定不买,但可以肯定地说,没有人预料到会下跌得这么厉害。我当然没想到它会从高点下跌 80%。
Do you already have an idea of what company I'm talking about? Oh, I do. I do. You got to be talking about Trade Desk. And uh I'm very glad we didn't buy that one. I still remember when it dropped 40% in literally the next trading day after we published the episode on a Sunday. And while we decided against it for what we now know were seemingly the right reasons, it's definitely fair to say that no one expected such a sharp decline. I certainly didn't imagine that it would fall 80% from its highs.
我的意思是,我们最初没有建仓主要是因为觉得这个业务太难理解了。准确地说,这是你当时在节目里说的。我觉得我们应该把这一点说出来。TTD 对我来说有点难以适应。我完全坦白地说。我原本以为在深入研究过 Alphabet 和 Roku 之后,我会更容易理解 The Trade Desk,但 ATTE 就是非常混乱和复杂。
我只是觉得广告技术行业可能属于“太难”那一类,而 The Trade Desk 作为需求方程序化广告的纯玩家,你真的需要完全理解数字广告生态系统,并且从技术上了解幕后发生的事情,才能欣赏 The Trade Desk 的价值所在,以及什么可能让它未来竞争力下降。
I mean, we primarily didn't start a position because we just felt like the business was too difficult to understand. And to be precise, this is what you said in the episode back then. I feel like we should just put it out there. TTD is just a bit difficult for me to to get comfortable with. I I'll be fully honest. I was expecting for it to be easier for me to wrap my head around the trade desk after already having gone deep on Alphabet and Roku, but ATTE is just so very messy and and complicated. I I just feel like the ad tech industry probably goes in the two hard pile and the trade desk as a pure play on demand side programmatic advertising. You really need to understand the digital advertising ecosystem fully and and technically kind of know what's going on behind the scenes to appreciate what makes the trade desk valuable and and what can make it less competitive in the future.
在当时的模型中,由于公司的质量,我们仍然假设 30 倍的退出倍数。而今天的现金流倍数只有 10 倍。所以尽管如此,当时的模型仍然显示该股当时被高估了。但是,不买它的决定并不是基于模型所说的。
主要是我们认为我们不了解这家公司。再说一次,如果你相信估值模型,尽管退出倍数太高,它仍然说太贵了。如今,仅仅几个月后,退出倍数是我们假设的 5 年后退出倍数的三分之一。
In the model from back then, we still assumed a 30 times exit multiple because of the quality of the company. And the cash flow multiple today is just 10 times. So despite that, the model back then still showed that the stock was overvalued at the time. But you know, the decision not to buy it didn't come down to what the model said. It was primarily us thinking that we don't understand the company. And again, if you will trust the valuation model despite having a way too high of an exit multiple and still saying it's too expensive. Nowadays, just a couple of months later, the exit multiple is a third of what we assumed going out 5 years from now.
因此,唯一比 The Trade Desk 更大的下行差异,即我们的公允价值估计远高于今天的股价,那就是 Vital Farms。
And so the only bigger difference to the downside than with Trading Desk, meaning where our fair value estimate was much higher than the stock price today, that was Vital Farms.
在这个 Trade Desk 的故事中,另一个有趣的点是,几个月前,公司的联合创始人兼 CEO Jeff Green 实际上进行了大规模的内部买入。所以,在 3 月份,他在公开市场上以 25 美元的价格买入了总计近 1.5 亿美元的股票。
自那以后,股价又下跌了 25%。所以这有点使我们在 Adobe 上指出的信号复杂化。缺乏内部买入不一定就是坏事,而大量的内部买入也不一定就是好事。但总的来说,它们是非常有效的预测指标。
历史研究已经明确表明,内部买入具有相当强的预测能力,而 Trade Desk 很可能只是规则的一个例外。
another interesting point in this trade desk story here was that there were actually massive insider buys a couple of months ago by the co-founder and CEO of the company, Jeff Green. And so, in March, he bought stock on the open market at $25 for almost 150 million in total. And since then, the stock has fallen another 25%. And so it sort of complicates the signal we're pointing to with Adobe. A lack of insider buying is not guaranteed to be bad and significant insider buying is not guaranteed to be good. But generally though, they're pretty effective predictors. Historical studies have definitely shown that insider buys have pretty strong predictive power and the trade desk may very well just be the exception to the rule.
所以,这种情况可能发生,但我今天肯定不会急于建仓,因为它仍然属于“太难”那一类。我们确实尝试过。我的意思是,自从你报道过它以来,我们被问了很多很多次,我们是否不想重新审视它,尤其是考虑到今天价格明显更低,它是否比过去更有吸引力。
So, it can happen, but I'm certainly not itching to start a position in the company today just because it still falls in that too hard pile. We definitely tried. I mean, since you covered it, we've been asked many, many times whether we do not want to revisit it and especially given the significantly lower prices today whether it's not more attractive than it has been in the past.
但在 TTD 的案例中,你有一个营收增长持续下降的业务。我的意思是,2024 年第一季度是 28%,2026 年第一季度只有 12%。那么回答这家公司今天值多少钱的问题就困难得多。
The Trade Desk 今天很可能是一个便宜货。如果我们可以假设未来 5 年我们得到的是 12% 的营收增长,假设利润率相似,但如果增长在过去两年里减少了一半以上,我该如何为这个假设提供依据?
如果你是一个广告技术专家,那对你来说可能完全不同,也许你更了解这个业务。我不是说 The Trade Desk 现在价值不好,但对我们来说,它就在“太难”那一类里,去年在那里,今天仍然在那里,而且我有很高的信心说,明年它很可能还会在那里,即使股价是每股 5 美元。
But in TTD's case, you have a business where topline growth is continuously coming down. I mean, in Q1 of 2024 was 28% in Q1 of 2026 was only 12%. Then answering the question of what that company is worth today is so much more difficult. The trade desk is likely a bargain today. If we can assume that no 12% topline growth is what we're getting for the next 5 years assuming a similar margin but how should I underrite that assumption if growth more than half in just the last 2 years and if you're an ad tech expert that might be totally different for you maybe you understand the business significantly better I'm not saying that the trade desk is bad value right now but for us it's just in the two hard pile it was there last year and it's still there today and have pretty high confidence of saying it will most likely be there next year too even if it's at I don't $5 per share.
如果说有什么不同的话,我对 Trade Desk 抛售的剧烈程度感到惊讶,这让我觉得我甚至比我想象的还要不了解这个业务,因为它长期以来一直是一个高质量的复合增长者,我不会想到股价会这么快变得这么糟糕。
所以无论如何,这只是表明我可能对这个业务的理解有多差,而且肯定有更容易的障碍让我们跨越。
If anything, my surprise at how dramatic the sell-off and the trade desk has been made me feel like I understood the business even less than I thought because it has been such a quality compounder for such a long time that I wouldn't have thought that things could go this bad this quickly for the stock. So anyways, that just shows probably how poorly I understand the business and that there are definitely easier hurdles for us to clear.
这个频道对 $TTD 的历次判断
The Intrinsic Value Podcast 在这只股票上只有这一条判断。