$UMG

在当前价位上,UMG 是一项不错的相对投资(回报率 3.7%),但缺乏足够的安全边际,不足以被归为绝对价值型标的;只有当价格下跌到足以带来 10% 回报时,它才变得有吸引力。

《Universal Music Stock AMS: UMG Now €14 Target: €74》
Value Investing with Sven Carlin, Ph.D.发布 2026-09-25 · 34 段内容
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Universal 的股价在过去一年里下跌了 50%,差不多是这个幅度。不久前它还在 28 交易,现在只有 14。看看接下来会发生什么。

Universal's stock has dropped by 50% over the past year and something like that . It was trading at 28 a short while ago . It is now at 14 . Let's see what happens.

但也许最重要的是,就在几个月前,Bill Ackman 还准备以每股 30 的价格出手,而现在该股在 14 交易。

But perhaps most importantly, just a few months ago, Bill Ackman was prepared to pay 30 per share, and now the stock is trading at 14.

Universal Music Group 的董事会拒绝了 Pershing 的报价。他们甚至说 30 的价格低估了公司,而现在我们在 14 交易。

The board of directors of Universal Music Group rejected Pershing's offer. They even said that a price of 30 was an undervaluation of the company, and now we are trading at 14.

让我们看看是否存在安全边际,审视一下这门生意、财务前景,讨论 Ackman 的论点,然后判断这是一笔绝对投资还是相对投资。

Let's see if there is a margin of safety, take a look at the business, the financial outlook, discuss Ackman's thesis, and then conclude whether this is an absolute or relative investment.

Universal Music Group 的作品概览。他们拥有这些音乐的全部知识产权。这只股票在荷兰交易。总部位于 Hilversum。

An overview of the works of Universal Music Group. They own all the intellectual property rights to the music. This stock is traded in the Netherlands. The headquarters is located in Hilversum.

所以,音乐,很多品牌,全球排名前十的艺人中有九位在他们旗下。所以,如果你是 Taylor Swift(Swifty)的粉丝,你可能会对这家公司感兴趣。

So, music, a lot of brands, have nine of the top 10 global artists on their roster. So, if you are a fan of Taylor Swift (Swifty), you might be interested in this company.

如果看他们的全球市场份额,那是很大的。市场在增长,尤其是音乐流媒体这一块。他们拥有最好的艺人。我想他们唯一没有的艺人就是“Bad Bunny”,但如果是一只坏兔子(Bad Bunny),谁在乎呢?是不是?我根本不知道那是谁,不过没关系。

If you look at their share of the global market, it is large. The market is growing, especially the music streaming segment. They have the best artists there. I think the only artist they don't have is "Bad Bunny," but if it's a bad bunny (Bad Bunny), who cares?

Isn't that so? I have no idea who it is, but that's okay.

他们正在与流媒体平台合作,与中国合作,与腾讯协作,同时也在押注印度,那里的增长正在发生,因为人们开始听音乐,并且可能愿意为此付费。

They are partnering with streaming platforms, working with China, collaborating with Tencent, and also betting on India, where growth is happening as people begin to listen to music and possibly pay for it.

业绩没那么出色。营收增长略有放缓;利润稳定,但没有预期那么好。

The results weren't that great . Revenue growth slowed slightly; Profits are stable, but not as good as expected.

但新的自由现金流,以及他们何时、如何管理它,是有疑问的,因为有太多投资压低了真实的自由现金流,但他们说:“嗯,这些投资不重要。”让我们看看更高的自由现金流。与市值相比,这是一个很大的差异。

自由现金流是 15 亿还是这个数字的一半?这一点极其重要。

But the new free cash flow, and when and how they manage it, is questionable because there are so many investments that reduce the real free cash flow, but they say, "Well, the investments don't matter."

Let's look at the higher free cash flows. This is a big difference when you compare it to the market value. Is the free cash flow 1.5 billion or half that amount? This is extremely important.

他们在改变,也在大量投资。在自由现金流的支出上,关键问题是:这笔现金流是用于当下还是用于未来?人工智能被讨论到了,似乎没有太大影响。

They are changing and investing a lot. When it comes to spending free cash flow, the key question is: Is this flow for the present or for the future? Artificial intelligence was discussed, and there doesn't seem to be much impact.

他们根据计算出的净利润来支付股息。因此,我们得出一个有趣的数字,10 亿,对应着不错的分配回报。他们通过收购“Downtown”完成了一笔重大收购,但同时也在回购股票。

They pay dividends based on their calculated net income. Therefore, we arrive at an interesting sum of one billion for a good return on distributions. They made a major acquisition by buying " Downtown", but they are also buying back shares.

如果看全年,嗯,这是不错的一年,调整后 15 亿,20 亿,看起来非常好。但这里我们又一次回到现金流。在投资之前,投资,然后我们到达更低的水平。

And if you look at the year as a whole, well, it was a good year, 1.5 billion adjusted , 2 billion, that looks very good. But here we return once again to cash flows. Before investing, investments, then we reach lower levels.

他们把钱投在哪里?其他投资、资本支出、曲库投资。他们收购了“Downtown”。他们花了大约 10 亿,对应着非常低的息税折旧摊销前利润(EBITDA)。这是一个有争议的情况。

Where do they invest? Other investments, capital expenditures , investments in catalogs. They have taken over " Downtown". They paid a billion or so for very low earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization ( EBITDA). This is a controversial situation.

过去几年增长良好。净利润也翻了一倍。很稳定,这没什么问题。这一点值得思考。负债从 54 亿上升到近 130 亿。权益没有增长多少,因为它完全以股息的形式派发出去。

Good growth over the past few years. Also, net income doubled. It's stable, there's nothing wrong with that. This is something worth thinking about . Liabilities rose from 5.4 billion to nearly 13 billion.

Equity has not grown much because it is paid out entirely in the form of dividends.

经营现金流看起来不错,与净利润相符。然后我们有分配支付,10 亿。但这些分配被支付出去,同时总负债在增加。所以,问题是,创造金钱的真正价值是什么?

Cash from operations looks good and is in line with net income. Then we have the distribution payments, one billion. But these distributions are paid out, and at the same time, total liabilities increase.

So, the question is, what is the true value of creating money?

这里我可能和 Bill Ackman 有一点分歧。让我们看看他的论点。他在 2026 年 4 月做了一场很棒的演示,他也在网络文章中讨论过这一点。

Here I might disagree with Bill Ackman a little. Let's look at his thesis . He gave a great presentation in April 2026, and he also discussed this in online articles.

他的理论是,随着与流媒体平台签订新合同,以及价格上涨,环球音乐集团应当从这一增长中获得更多收入,因此营收和利润应当继续增长。

His theory is that with new contracts with streaming platforms , and with higher prices, Universal Music Group should get more money from that increase, and therefore revenues and profits should continue to grow.

但该股已大幅下跌,按照Bill Ackman的说法,他在那里看到了价值,以及非常便宜的估值。它们为什么表现如此糟糕?因为其他股东,因为它没有在美国上市,也因为它没有足够的债务融资。

But the stock has fallen significantly, and Bill Ackman saw value there, and a very cheap valuation, according to Bill Ackman. Why did they perform so poorly? Because of the other owners, because it is not listed in the United States, and because it is not sufficiently debt-funded.

它还可以出售其持有的Spotify价值27亿美元的股份,他们这样做是为了给股票回购提供资金。现在我们来看看Bill Ackman建议的做法。整个故事归结为5欧元现金,加上通过合并新成立的“环球音乐”集团的股份,该集团将与作为独立实体的“Pershing Square Holdings”合并而成。

It could also sell its $ 2.7 billion stake in Spotify, which they do to fund share buybacks. Now we come to what Bill Ackman suggested doing. The whole story boils down to 5 euros in cash and shares in the new " Universal Music" group that will be created through a merger with "Pershing Square Holdings" as a separate entity.

那么,关于现金等价物,你认为Bill Ackman想提供90亿现金吗?不。25亿来自Pershing Square旗下基金。其余部分将来自公司自身,通过公司出售3%的股份。

Then, regarding the cash equivalent, do you think Bill Ackman wanted to offer 9 billion in cash? no. 2.5 billion from Pershing Square funds . The remainder will come from the company itself, through the company selling a 3% stake.

这不是那种“来吧,你每股拿到30欧元”的收购。相反,这是一次带有这样信息的收购:“来吧,你每股拿到5欧元。”在这每股5欧元中,有4欧元本来就已经是你的,因为我是从公司那里收到的。

所以,实际上,Bell的这个收购方案是每股1.5欧元,加上他已经拥有的新股。

It wasn't an acquisition like "Here you go, you get 30 euros per share". Rather, it was an acquisition with the message, "Here you go, you get 5 euros per share." Of those 5 euros per share, 4 euros are already yours because I receive them from the company.

So, in practice, this acquisition project from Bell was 1.5 euros per share plus the new share that he already owned.

这就是问题所在。Bell对UMG新股给出的估值是25,而当时它是17。为什么它被估到那么高?因为除了现金之外,你将获得25倍而不是16倍的美国倍数。现在你知道原因了。

That is the question. Bell valued UMG's new stock at 25 while it was at 17. Why was it valued at that much ? Because you will receive an American multiplier of 25, not 16, in addition to cash. Now you know the reason.

他对UMG股票未来的展望是,仅这笔交易就会让你的持仓翻倍,然后每股收益将逐年增长,市盈率将上升,UMG将在2030年12月达到74的股价。这是非常好的回报。这是5倍。

His outlook for UMG stock going forward is that the deal alone will double your position, then earnings per share will grow over the years, the price-to-earnings ratio will grow, and UMG will reach a stock value of 74 in December 2030.

That's a very good return. This is 5 times that.

为什么会发生这种情况?因为Bill这么说。Bill说什么,什么就会发生。

Why will this happen? Because Bill says so. Well, when Bill says something, it happens.

更多杠杆,更多回购,更多由这家美国公司出售资产来为其融资,一个未被充分利用的预算,以及更多借贷。当时的计划是释放现金,将其返还给股东,让公司变得更灵活,随着时间推移实现增长,并在美国上市,因为没有人愿意在欧洲投资。这就是为什么一切可能更便宜。

More leverage, more buybacks, more of the American company selling off its assets to finance it, an underutilized budget , and more borrowing. The plan then was to free up cash, return it to shareholders, make it a more agile company, grow over time, and list in the United States because nobody wanted to invest in Europe. That's why everything might be cheaper.

被纳入标普500指数,以及负面的竞价,应当推动其上行。所以,实际上,Bill想用公司自己的钱以极低的价格收购这家公司。

Inclusion in the S&P 500 index, and the negative bid, should push things upward. So, in practical terms, Bill wanted to buy the company for a pittance using the company's own money.

当然,真正拥有这家公司的股东们说:“如果我们愿意,我们自己也能做到。”他们拒绝了他的收购要约。

Of course, the owners who actually own the company said, "We can do it ourselves if we want to ." They rejected his acquisition bid.

他讨论了它们如何增长、分配利润等等,回报很好,估值很低。由于其质量,它应当以30倍盈利交易。一切都建立在重新估值的基础上,从15倍的盈利倍数到30倍。

He discussed how they could grow, distribute profits, and everything, great returns, and a low valuation. It should be traded at 30 times the earnings due to its quality. Well, everything was based on re- evaluation, from a profitability multiple of 15 to 30.

关于内容质量的讨论,即只有最好的歌曲会被收听。如果Spotify提高价格,UMG在那里也应当赚钱。简而言之,Ackman的股票市盈率向美国标准靠拢,伴随着杠杆提高,你将赚到4倍的钱。

Discussion of content quality, where only the best songs are listened to. If Spotify raises its prices, UMG should make money there too. In short, Ackman's equity price-to-earnings ratio moves to the American standard , with increased leverage, and you will earn 4 times your money.

就在公司宣布拒绝Bell提案的两天前,他已经卖出了他在环球集团的全部股份。

Just two days before the company announced its rejection of Bell's proposal, he had already sold his entire stake in Universal Group.

所以,我们现在每年有10亿的现金分配,并且还有增长潜力,此外在出售Spotify股份之后还有10亿的回购。不过,如果我们看投资,维持5%增长真正所需的自由现金流不是15亿,而是7亿。

So, we now have a billion in annual cash distributions, with potential for growth, and a billion in buybacks after the sale of Spotify shares. However, if we look at investments, the real free cash flow needed to sustain 5% growth is not 1.5 billion, but 700 million.

所以,你永远无法确定,但这是你可以知道的:3.7%的回报率,而且我认为这还会持续。因此,从相对的角度看,这是一笔不错的投资,但从绝对的角度看,我们需要更多。4%的回报率,加上4%的增长,也就是8%的总回报。

对于8%的总回报,我在这里将其归类为带有相对风险的回报,而不是价值投资。

So, you can never know for sure , but this is what you can know. A return of 3.7% , and I think this will continue. So, from a relative perspective, it is a good investment, but from an absolute perspective we need more.

A 4% return, and 4% growth, i.e., a total return of 8%. With a total return of 8% , I have classified it here as a return with relative risk, not a value investment.

如果该股因为某种我们不知道的危机而进一步下跌,回报率达到10%,那么它可能就变得有意思了。

If the stock falls further due to some crisis we are unaware of, and the return reaches 10%, then it might become interesting.

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Universal 的股价在过去一年里下跌了 50%,差不多是这个幅度。不久前它还在 28 交易,现在只有 14。看看接下来会发生什么。
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