卖出 WFC 以降低集中度风险;年初至今 23% 的跌幅已超过对税务问题的顾虑。
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我年轻时,祖父送给我价值2万美元的富国银行股票,当时他所在的本地社区银行被富国银行收购了。我知道把这么多钱放在一只股票上是重大的集中度风险,但我一直非常犹豫要不要分散,因为资本利得税的冲击和强劲的股息收入。
My grandfather gifted me $20,000 of Wells Fargo stock when I was young after his local community bank was acquired by them. I know having that much money in a single stock is a major concentration risk, but I've been very hesitant to diversify because the capital gains tax hit and strong dividend income.
那么,你会建议如何以尽可能节税的方式减持或分散这样一笔持仓?恭喜。你手上握着的是你祖父一份了不起的馈赠所带来的78万美元资本利得,看到你对他的遗产如此坚定、如此负责,并且能够以负责任的方式让它增长,真是了不起。
So, how would you recommend unwinding or diversifying a position like this in the most taxefficient way possible? Congratulations. I mean, you're sitting on $780,000 worth of capital gains on an incredible gift by your grandfather and it's incredible to see you've been so steadfast and responsible with his legacy and you've been able to to grow that in a responsible manner.
你可以以你祖父的名义捐出价值10万或20万美元的股票。
You could donate $100 or $200,000 worth of the stock in your grandfather's name.
你最不该做的就是把这笔富国银行股票一捂就是四年或什么离谱的时间。而且,富国银行今年迄今下跌了23%。这意味着在今年年初,这80万可能本来是100万。
The last thing you want to do is sit on this Wells Fargo stock for four years or something crazy. And you know, Wells Fargo year to date is down 23%. Which means at the beginning of this year, this 800,000 might have been a million.
即便你在那一刻把它全部卖出并缴清资本利得税,你手上的钱仍然会比现在的这80万,或者说你现在大概70多万,要多。
And even if you sold all of it in that instant and paid your capital gains, you still would have had more than this 800,000 you have now or roughly 700 something you have now.
就像税收要往后排。如果一只股票在下跌,或者你在某个板块的敞口过大,或者这里出了什么状况,我不在乎税收。税收的事以后再算。税收很重要,但你在集中度风险上可能亏掉的钱,远远超过你在税收上可能亏掉的钱,这取决于我们这里谈的富国银行所适用的长期资本利得税率。
Like taxes take a back seat. If a if if a stock is going down or you're way too exposed to a sector or something's going on here, I don't care about the taxes. Figure out the taxes later.
The taxes are important, but like you can lose way more money in concentration risk than you ever could lose in in taxes depending on, you know, the long-term capital gain tax rate we're we're talking about here with Wells Fargo.
他们能不能每年拿出10万美元、连续5年,把它分散到其他波动更小、不会下跌、并能创造更好收益的东西上?绝对可以。
could they take $100,000 a year for 5 years and diversify it out into other things that are less volatile and not going down and and create better gains? Absolutely.
但我喜欢你现在的处境,Austin。我会卖掉它。我不希望这么多钱都放在一个地方。我会不再为税收担心。人们对税收担心得太多,以至于很多时候如果他们算一算,就会发现,因为死守在一个本不该持有的东西里,尤其是在那么高的集中度风险下,他们实际上因为太害怕税单,而在增长上留在桌上的钱比他们本要缴的税还多。
But I like where you're at, Austin. I would sell it. I would not want all that money in one place. I would stop worrying about the taxes. People worry about taxes so much that a lot of times if they did the math, they'll find out that by sitting in something that they shouldn't be, especially at that high of a concentration risk, they're actually leaving more money than they would pay in the taxes on the table in growth because they're so fearful of the tax bill.
全部卖掉,承受这一击,往前走,重新把它养大,或者照Austin说的做,也就是那种分批卖出,每年卖出15万,连续三、四、五年。让自己分散开来。我个人会卖掉它。反正你也没为它花过钱。
它全都来自增长和股息,所以反正你也不会因此受损。
Sell it all, take the hit, move on and regrow it or do what Austin said, and that is that stage selling where you sell off 150,000 a year for three, four, five years. Get yourself diversified.
I personally would sell it. You didn't pay for it anyway. It's all from growth and dividends, so you're not being hurt by it anyway.
我在想,是否存在这样一种可能:我们的朋友Chris J可以深思熟虑地针对这笔持仓卖出2到3周后到期的备兑看涨期权,在这里的权利金上大赚一笔。
I wonder if there's a world where our friend Chris J can thoughtfully sell covered calls 2 to 3 weeks out against this position and make a ton of money on the premium here.
我现在是现场做的。它此刻的交易价是每股73.40美元。如果我们的朋友Chris Jacobs或许想以每股73美元卖出备兑看涨期权,而他大约有110份合约可以卖出,那么他就能在这份特定的备兑看涨期权合约上赚到2.1万美元的权利金。
And I'm just doing this live. It's trading at 73.40 a share right now at the moment. If our friend Chris Jacobs perhaps wanted to sell covered calls at $73 a share and he's got about $110 contracts that he would be able to sell, he would be able to make $21,000 of premium on that specific covered call option contract.
所以2.1万,再加上他能以每股73美元对他那将近1.1万股赚到的钱。我说这个的原因是,那2.1万美元,是的,它是按普通税率纳税的应税收入。所以,我们就算剥掉其中的30%。那么现在你剩下1.4万美元。
但你剩下的这1.4万美元可以用来理清税务状况,对吧?你可以用它来抵消税款,前提是你愿意在2周后以每股73美元卖出这些股票。
So 21,000 plus he would make $73 a share against his like almost 11,000 shares. So, the reason I say this is that $21,000 you, yes, it's taxable income at ordinary taxes. So, let's like peel off, you know, 30% of that.
So, now you're left with $14,000. But that $14,000 that you're left with can be used to figure out the tax situation, right? You can use that to offset the taxes, assuming you're comfortable with selling the shares 2 weeks from now at $73 a share.
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