Daniel Pronk 对 $APP 的判断变化
这个频道在这只股票上的每一条判断,按时间倒序,每一步都读完那条视频里关于这只股票的全部内容。相邻两条方向不同的地方标出方向翻转。
好的,现在让我们继续讨论本视频中我想谈的第五只也是最后一只股票。这是我已经开始买入并加入投资组合的股票。现在,充分披露,我想非常清楚地说明。我将这只股票保持非常小的仓位,因为我认为它更具投机性,直到我继续看到业务改善。
我想我应该让你知道,这只股票是Apploving,股票代码为APP。所以目前我保持小仓位,随着我的信心增长以及我继续看到执行情况,我将继续增加仓位。
All right, let's now move on to the fifth and final stock that I want to talk about in this video. And this is the one that I have started to buy and add to my portfolio. Now, full disclosure, I want to make it extremely clear. I am keeping this one as a very small position because I am considering it a little bit more speculative until I continue to see increased improvements from the business and I guess I should let you know that this stock is apploving with the ticker symbol app. So for now I am leaving it a small position and as my conviction grows and as I continue to see execution I will continue to grow my position.
现在,充分披露,我想非常清楚地说明。我将这只股票保持非常小的仓位,因为我认为它更具投机性,直到我继续看到业务改善。我想我应该让你知道,这只股票是Apploving,股票代码为APP。
所以目前我保持小仓位,随着我的信心增长以及我继续看到执行情况,我将继续增加仓位。
Now, full disclosure, I want to make it extremely clear. I am keeping this one as a very small position because I am considering it a little bit more speculative until I continue to see increased improvements from the business and I guess I should let you know that this stock is apploving with the ticker symbol app. So for now I am leaving it a small position and as my conviction grows and as I continue to see execution I will continue to grow my position.
所以目前我保持小仓位,随着我的信心增长以及我继续看到执行情况,我将继续增加仓位。但让我们现在快速讨论这只股票。Apploving具体是移动游戏上的广告业务。那是他们的全部利基市场,也是他们占据主导地位的地方。
他们每天有超过10亿日活跃用户看到他们的广告。他们充当广告商与实际将应用展示在用户面前之间的中介,无论他们认为哪里最适合用户。
So for now I am leaving it a small position and as my conviction grows and as I continue to see execution I will continue to grow my position. But let's talk about this stock now very quickly. Apploving is specifically an advertising business on mobile games. That is their entire niche and that is where they dominate. They have over 1 billion daily active users that see their advertisements every single day. And they act as the intermediary between the advertiser and actually placing the app in front of a user wherever they think that it would best suit the user.
Apploving具体是移动游戏上的广告业务。那是他们的全部利基市场,也是他们占据主导地位的地方。他们每天有超过10亿日活跃用户看到他们的广告。他们充当广告商与实际将应用展示在用户面前之间的中介,无论他们认为哪里最适合用户。
Apploving is specifically an advertising business on mobile games. That is their entire niche and that is where they dominate. They have over 1 billion daily active users that see their advertisements every single day. And they act as the intermediary between the advertiser and actually placing the app in front of a user wherever they think that it would best suit the user.
那是他们的全部利基市场,也是他们占据主导地位的地方。他们每天有超过10亿日活跃用户看到他们的广告。他们充当广告商与实际将应用展示在用户面前之间的中介,无论他们认为哪里最适合用户。
That is their entire niche and that is where they dominate. They have over 1 billion daily active users that see their advertisements every single day. And they act as the intermediary between the advertiser and actually placing the app in front of a user wherever they think that it would best suit the user.
现在,股票在财报后下跌如此之多的原因是他们收入略微未达预期1%。我认为市场反应过度了,因为他们在最近一个季度仍然实现了超过50%的收入增长。而且他们预计下一季度再增长47%。
Now, the reason the stock has fallen so much after earnings is because they had a slight revenue miss by 1%. And I think the market is freaking out way too much because they still grew revenue by over 50% in the most recent quarter. And they are guiding for another 47%
我认为市场反应过度了,因为他们在最近一个季度仍然实现了超过50%的收入增长。
And I think the market is freaking out way too much because they still grew revenue by over 50% in the most recent quarter.
他们预计第三季度营收同比增长率将达到47%。是的,营收增长正在放缓,他们预计将继续放缓,但业务仍然增长得非常好,而且该公司的交易价格低于远期自由现金流的17倍。
And they are guiding for another 47% year-over-year revenue growth rate in the third quarter. So yes, the revenue growth is decelerating and they are projecting it to continue decelerating, but it's still growing extremely well and the business is trading for under 17 times forward free cash flow.
简而言之,我认为该股目前的定价反映了大约5%到10%的年增长率,而该业务仍然看到远高于40%的增长率。所以我认为市盈率与增长率完全脱节,这就是我开始买入该股的原因。
To put it simply, I think the stock is now priced for about 5 to 10% annual growth and the business is still seeing well into the 40% growth rates. So the price to growth I think is just at a total disconnect which is why I have started to buy into the stock.
所以让我现在非常快速地向你展示他们在Stock Unlock上的一些KPI。第一个显然是他们的收入。现在,Apploven的历史收入有点嘈杂,因为他们确实拥有游戏业务来收集数据。
所以收入增长不是非常令人印象深刻的是当他们拥有实际游戏工作室的时候。所以我喜欢做的是去查看他们的软件平台KPI,因为这是业务今天的增长。这是他们的广告引擎,他们的软件平台收入,这几乎就是目前整个业务。
在这里你可以看到,在过去的12个月中,他们的软件收入已达到68.3亿。自2020年以来,它一直以每年约89%的速度复合增长。现在,如果我们打开百分比增长率并放大这里,我们可以看到增长率一直在减速,但业务在过去的12个月基础上仍然增长60%。
如果我们再次转向季度基础,我们可以看到收入增长率已减速至最近一个季度约53%,但业务仍然非常非常快速地增长。
So let me show you some of their KPIs here on Stock Unlock very quickly now. And the first one is obviously their revenue. Now Apploven's historical revenue is a little bit noisy because they did own gaming businesses to gather data. So the revenue growth not being very impressive is when they owned actual gaming studios. So what I like to do is go and take a look at their software platform KPI here because this is the business's growth as it stands today. This is their advertising engine, their software platform revenue, which is pretty much the entire business as it stands right now. And here you can see that in the trailing 12 months, their software revenue has been 6.83 billion. And it has been compounding by about 89% annually since 2020. Now, if we turn on the percent growth rates and zoom in here, we can see that the growth rates have been decelerating, but the business is still growing by 60% on a trailing 12 months basis. If we turn over to a quarterly basis once again we can see that the revenue growth rates have decelerated to about 53% in the most recent quarter but the business is still growing very very rapidly.
第一个显然是他们的营收。现在,Apploven的历史营收有点杂乱,因为他们确实拥有游戏业务来收集数据。所以营收增长不太令人印象深刻的时候是他们拥有实际游戏工作室的时候。
And the first one is obviously their revenue. Now Apploven's historical revenue is a little bit noisy because they did own gaming businesses to gather data. So the revenue growth not being very impressive is when they owned actual gaming studios.
所以我喜欢做的是去看看他们的软件平台KPI,因为这是该业务目前的增长情况。这是他们的广告引擎,他们的软件平台收入,这几乎就是目前整个业务。
So what I like to do is go and take a look at their software platform KPI here because this is the business's growth as it stands today. This is their advertising engine, their software platform revenue, which is pretty much the entire business as it stands right now.
在这里你可以看到,在过去的12个月里,他们的软件收入达到了68.3亿美元。自2020年以来,这一数字一直以每年约89%的速度复合增长。
And here you can see that in the trailing 12 months, their software revenue has been 6.83 billion. And it has been compounding by about 89% annually since 2020.
现在,如果我们打开百分比增长率并放大这里,我们可以看到增长率一直在放缓,但该业务在过去的12个月基础上仍然增长了60%。
Now, if we turn on the percent growth rates and zoom in here, we can see that the growth rates have been decelerating, but the business is still growing by 60% on a trailing 12 months basis.
如果我们再次转向季度数据,我们可以看到营收增长率在最近一个季度放缓至约53%,但该业务仍然增长得非常非常快。所以现在让我们快速看一下Apple的自由现金流,在过去的12个月中,他们产生了约45.3亿。
现在,在最近一个季度,他们受到了大量国际税收的打击,这就是为什么他们的自由现金流在那个季度下降的原因。但从长期来看,管理层表示他们认为他们的自由现金流利润率将保持极高。当我们讨论这个话题时,我们可以看到,即使在最近一个季度受到大额一次性税收打击的情况下,Apple在过去12个月中产生了66.3%的自由现金流利润率,过去约18个月的平均值为70%。
他们相信未来可以维持约70%的自由现金流利润率。所以这是一个高利润的业务。它的利润率甚至比Palunteer更高,而且它仍然以超过50%的速度增长其营收,预计下一季度收入增长约47%。
If we turn over to a quarterly basis once again we can see that the revenue growth rates have decelerated to about 53% in the most recent quarter but the business is still growing very very rapidly. So now let's take a quick look at Apple's free cash flow and in the trailing 12 months they have produced about 4.53 billion. Now, in the most recent quarter, they were hit with a large amount of international taxes, which is why their free cash flow was down for that one quarter. But over the longer term, management said that they believe their free cash flow margin will remain extremely high. And while we're on that topic here, we can see that even with that large one-time tax hit in the most recent quarter, Apple has produced a 66.3% trailing 12 months free cash flow margin with their average over the past about 18 months being 70%. And they believe that they can maintain around a 70% free cash flow margin going forward. So this is a highly profitable business. It has even higher profit margins than Palunteer and it is still growing its top line by over 50% with roughly 47% revenue growth expected for the next quarter.
在最近一个季度,他们受到了大量国际税收的影响,这就是为什么他们的自由现金流在那个季度下降了。但从长期来看,管理层表示,他们认为他们的自由现金流利润率将保持极高。
Now, in the most recent quarter, they were hit with a large amount of international taxes, which is why their free cash flow was down for that one quarter. But over the longer term, management said that they believe their free cash flow margin will remain extremely high.
当我们谈到这个话题时,我们可以看到,即使在最近一个季度受到大额一次性税收打击的情况下,苹果公司过去12个月的自由现金流利润率仍达到了66.3%,而过去约18个月的平均值为70%。
And while we're on that topic here, we can see that even with that large one-time tax hit in the most recent quarter, Apple has produced a 66.3% trailing 12 months free cash flow margin with their average over the past about 18 months being 70%.
他们相信未来可以维持约70%的自由现金流利润率。所以这是一个高利润的业务。
And they believe that they can maintain around a 70% free cash flow margin going forward. So this is a highly profitable business.
它的利润率甚至比Palunteer还要高,而且其营收仍在以超过50%的速度增长,预计下一季度营收增长约47%。
It has even higher profit margins than Palunteer and it is still growing its top line by over 50% with roughly 47% revenue growth expected for the next quarter.
所以现在让我们看一下App的远期市盈率,它的交易价格为远期收益的16.7倍。你可以清楚地看到,这处于该股票历史交易区间的低端。让我们也看看它的远期价格与自由现金流之比。它目前交易价格约为远期自由现金流的16.6倍。再次强调,而业务仍然以超过40%的速度增长。
So now let's take a look at App's forward price to earnings ratio and it's trading for 16.7 times forward earnings. And you can clearly see that this is on the low end of how the stock has historically traded. Let's also take a look at its forward price to free cash flow. And it's currently trading for about 16.6 times forward free cash flow. Again, while the business is still growing by over 40%.
你可以清楚地看到,这处于该股历史交易区间的低端。我们再来看看它的远期价格与自由现金流之比。目前它的交易价格约为远期自由现金流的16.6倍。
And you can clearly see that this is on the low end of how the stock has historically traded. Let's also take a look at its forward price to free cash flow. And it's currently trading for about 16.6 times forward free cash flow.
再次强调,该业务仍在以超过40%的速度增长。所以,让我现在给你展示一个关于Apploven的快速DCF。在年化基础上,我相信这项业务未来将产生约52亿美元的自由现金流。所以,在这个DCF中,未来3年,我让他们每年增长15%的自由现金流,并以20倍自由现金流交易。
现在,如果我们看过去的12个月基础,该业务目前实际上以约22倍自由现金流交易。所以,这考虑了一些更多的倍数压缩,并简单地说业务将继续以每年15%的速度增长自由现金流,这比业务目前看到的增长率显著减速。
在这个DCF中,我仍然得到17%的股价复合年增长率,公允价值为376美元,未来股价为每股500美元。我想非常清楚地说明这一点。我认为这是对apploving非常非常保守的DCF。
CEO认为业务实际上可以在长期内继续以30%的速度复合增长。如果业务能够做到这一点,那么我认为倍数至少可以达到25倍。在这种情况下,股价的复合年增长率约为43%。公允价值将是678美元,未来股价将是900美元,或未来3年约200%的回报。
再次强调,这只是业务实现了CEO认为的长期增长率,并回到25倍的价格与自由现金流之比,我认为这对这项业务来说更加合理和公平。所以,在一个非常保守的DCF中,我认为Apploven仍然可以产生强劲的回报。
在一个更现实的DCF中,我认为回报绝对是惊人的。这就是我在这项业务中持有较小仓位的全部原因。
Again, while the business is still growing by over 40%. So, let me show you a quick DCF on Apploven now. And on an annualized basis going forward, I believe that this business is down doing about $5.2 billion in free cash flow. So, over the next 3 years in this DCF, I have them growing free cash flow by 15% annually and trading for 20 times free cash flow. Now, if we take a look on a trailing 12 months basis, the business is actually trading for about 22 times free cash flow right now. So, this is factoring in some more multiple compression and simply saying that the business will continue to grow free cash flow by 15% annually, which is a significant deceleration from the growth rates the business is currently seeing. And in this DCF, I still get a 17% compounded annual growth rate to the share price, a fair value of 376 bucks, and a future stock price of $500 per share. And I want to make this extremely clear. I think that this is a very very conservative DCF for apploving. The CEO believes that the business can actually continue to compound by 30% annually over the longer term. And if the business can do so, then I think the multiple fairly could be at least 25. And in this scenario, the compounded annual growth rate to the share price is roughly 43%. The fair value would be 678 bucks and the future share price would be $900 or about a 200% return over the next 3 years. And again, this is simply the business achieving what the CEO believes the growth rates could be over the longer term and getting back to a 25 price to free cash flow, which I think is more than justified and fair for this business. So, in a very conservative DCF, I think Apploven could still produce strong returns. And in a more realistic DCF, I think the returns are absolutely stellar. And this is the entire reason why I have taken on a smaller position in this business.
按年化计算,我认为该业务未来将产生约52亿美元的自由现金流。因此,在接下来的3年里,在这个DCF模型中,我假设其自由现金流每年增长15%,并以20倍自由现金流进行交易。
And on an annualized basis going forward, I believe that this business is down doing about $5.2 billion in free cash flow. So, over the next 3 years in this DCF, I have them growing free cash flow by 15% annually and trading for 20 times free cash flow.
现在,如果按过去12个月来看,该业务目前的交易价格约为自由现金流的22倍。
Now, if we take a look on a trailing 12 months basis, the business is actually trading for about 22 times free cash flow right now.
所以,这考虑了一些倍数压缩,并简单地说该业务将继续以每年15%的速度增长自由现金流,这相对于该业务目前看到的增长率来说是一个显著的减速。
So, this is factoring in some more multiple compression and simply saying that the business will continue to grow free cash flow by 15% annually, which is a significant deceleration from the growth rates the business is currently seeing.
在这个DCF模型中,我仍然得到股价17%的复合年增长率,公允价值为376美元,未来股价为每股500美元。我想把这一点说得非常清楚。我认为这是一个非常非常保守的DCF模型,适用于Apploven。
And in this DCF, I still get a 17% compounded annual growth rate to the share price, a fair value of 376 bucks, and a future stock price of $500 per share. And I want to make this extremely clear. I think that this is a very very conservative DCF for apploving.
CEO认为该业务实际上可以在长期内以每年30%的速度复合增长。如果该业务能够做到这一点,那么我认为倍数至少可以达到25倍。
The CEO believes that the business can actually continue to compound by 30% annually over the longer term. And if the business can do so, then I think the multiple fairly could be at least 25.
在这种情况下,股价的复合年增长率约为43%。公允价值将是678美元,未来股价将是900美元,或者在未来3年内获得约200%的回报。
And in this scenario, the compounded annual growth rate to the share price is roughly 43%. The fair value would be 678 bucks and the future share price would be $900 or about a 200% return over the next 3 years.
再次强调,这只是该业务实现了CEO认为的长期增长率,并回到25倍的价格与自由现金流之比,我认为这对于该业务来说是合理且公平的。
And again, this is simply the business achieving what the CEO believes the growth rates could be over the longer term and getting back to a 25 price to free cash flow, which I think is more than justified and fair for this business.
因此,在一个非常保守的DCF模型中,我认为Apploven仍然可以产生强劲的回报。而在一个更现实的DCF模型中,我认为回报绝对是惊人的。这就是我在这项业务中持有较小仓位的原因。
So, in a very conservative DCF, I think Apploven could still produce strong returns. And in a more realistic DCF, I think the returns are absolutely stellar. And this is the entire reason why I have taken on a smaller position in this business.
但对于Apploven,正如我所说,我将我的仓位保持在小幅超过我投资组合1%的水平,直到我继续看到公司及其未来盈利结果的持续进展和强劲增长。但整个论点归结为这项业务非常盈利。它有极高的自由现金流利润率。
它仍然以每年超过40%的速度增长,其远期价格与自由现金流之比仅为16。现在,价格与增长之间的脱节是我在市场上见过的最大的脱节之一。这足以让我投入一些现金,并说,你知道吗,让我们看看这里会发生什么。
因为即使业务继续以非常温和的增长率增长,它也应该产生两位数的回报。所以这就是为什么我在我的投资组合中购买了一些app。我将继续跟踪这一只,我认为上个季度仍然相当不错。
But for Apploven, as I said, I am keeping my position small at just over 1% of my portfolio until I continue to see continued progress and strong growth from the company and its future earnings results. But the entire thesis really comes down to the fact that this business is very profitable. It has extremely high free cash flow margins. It's still growing by over 40% per year and its forward price to free cash flow is only 16. Now the price to growth disconnect is one of the widest I have ever seen in the market. And that's enough for me to throw in some cash and say, you know what, let's see what happens here. Because even if the business continues to grow by very modest growth rates, it should produce double- digit returns. So that's why I have bought some app in my portfolio. I'm going to continue tracking this one and I thought that last quarter was still pretty dang good.
但整个论点实际上归结为这项业务非常盈利。它拥有极高的自由现金流利润率。它仍然以每年超过40%的速度增长,而其远期价格与自由现金流之比仅为16倍。
But the entire thesis really comes down to the fact that this business is very profitable. It has extremely high free cash flow margins. It's still growing by over 40% per year and its forward price to free cash flow is only 16.
现在,价格与增长之间的脱节是我在市场上见过的最大的脱节之一。
Now the price to growth disconnect is one of the widest I have ever seen in the market.
这足以让我投入一些现金,然后说,你知道吗,让我们看看这里会发生什么。因为即使业务继续以非常温和的增长率增长,它也应该产生两位数的回报。
And that's enough for me to throw in some cash and say, you know what, let's see what happens here. Because even if the business continues to grow by very modest growth rates, it should produce double- digit returns.
所以这就是为什么我在我的投资组合中买入了一些该应用。我将继续跟踪这个,我认为上个季度仍然相当不错。
So that's why I have bought some app in my portfolio. I'm going to continue tracking this one and I thought that last quarter was still pretty dang good.