波音面临结构性盈利危机,毛利率崩塌(现为5%)叠加销售及管理费用上升,导致债务驱动的稀释;管理层必须恢复利润率以稳定股价。
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波音收入超出预期8%。干得好。没有收益,没有收益公告。
Boeing beat revenue by 8%. Great job. No earnings um no earnings announcement there.
波音和可口可乐。波音是一只一直被打压的股票。那些可怜的家伙。让我们看看他们一直在做什么。波音的代码是什么?我忘了。哦,就是BA。今天早上股价小幅下跌。指标很糟糕。让我们看看。交易收益为负。
这会很伤。这会把一切都搞乱。让我们看一些图表。首先,市值和EV相当接近。所以,那应该意味着他们的债务相对较少。大约270亿债务。我想如果你有负收益,那债务仍然是巨大的。不管它有多小,如果你不赚钱,那债务就是庞大的。
好吧,相对于市值,它相对较小。波音660亿营收,EBITDA为负,甚至在折旧之前他们就在亏损,日子不好过。自由现金流和经营现金流基本持平。减去资本支出,它们是负的。那不好。股权激励。
他们仍然每年做20亿的股权激励。杠杆率,债务水平在下降。我不知道如果现金流为负怎么可能,但好吧。但收益就是,库存上升了很多。那不好。哦,他们就是这样做的。他们在发行股票。就是这样。
这解决了问题。就是这样。这就是线索。这叫稀释,朋友们。如果你们像这些人一样连续几年现金流为负,收益为负,经营现金流转负或持平,加上重资本支出业务,你们将不得不发行股票。看起来他们用股权换债务。
所以他们偿还了债务,把债务从大约400亿削减了一半。不,不,不,抱歉。那只是20。那只是从400亿降到大约300亿,削减了四分之一。他们降低了债务,发行了大约20%更多的股票。
所以他们稀释了所有股东。这就是为什么债务是个问题,对吧?业务走下坡路。你必须向银行付款,否则你失去业务。所以你发行股票。这些股票发行给股价带来下行压力,对吧?因为买家只有那么多。
所以股价下跌,你发行股票。它继续推低股价。你拿那笔钱,而不是像我们在Meta看到的资本支出那样投资于新的增长机会,你基本上只是把钱还给银行,这不会创造价值。它所做的只是保护你亏损的能力,再过一年,然后你不得不重新做整个过程。
所以,这有点像螺旋。他们绝对必须修复他们的营业利润率。在我看来,没有,这个频道都是我的观点,但看,他们赚900亿营收。你告诉我你不能从900亿营收中保留一美元的收益,更不用说现金了?
那是个大问题。那是高管的问题。那是管理层。那是高级团队。那是个巨大的问题。让我们看看他们的损益表,弄清楚到底是怎么回事。好吧,问题在这里。毛利太薄,他们不可能赚钱。所以,制造飞机的制造公司,对吧?
有波音和空客。有两家。这是双头垄断。在双头垄断中,利润率怎么这么薄?这太震惊了。我是说,这太疯狂了。在我看来这像是错误定价。他们应该提高飞机的价格。如果我是他们,我会这么做,再次从外行的角度看。
在我看来,他们的毛利率远未达到应有的水平。它曾经高于10%。它曾经是13%、14%、18%的毛利率,这对制造公司来说是健康的。像波音,有工会劳动力,重型机械,长销售周期,低频率的产品,对吧?
这是一个大型复杂的产品,对吧?现在只有5%。下降10%意味着收益减少100亿。这基本上就是当毛利下降时,他们的整个利润率都消失了。所以,高管团队需要做的是回去看看他们的市场定价,看看他们获得的产出量,看看他们的劳动合同,看看他们能做的一切,他们的设施,不管是什么,让这个数字降下来,因为那不利于让业务继续改变。
不幸的是,这不是一夜之间能解决的。这是一个制造过程问题。需要时间来理解问题是什么,找出解决方案,实施解决方案,然后在财务结果中看到解决方案。这不同于像SG&A太高这样的问题,顺便说一句,它可能太高了,60亿的SG&A,对吧?
SG&A是公司总部的人员、法律诉讼、保险,公司办公室的东西,但它翻了一番。如果你看2019年,那是40亿。现在是60亿。好吧,不是翻倍,但收入持平甚至下降,而公司团队赚更多钱。
不,先生,那不对。你需要调整一些工资,挤出足够的钱来盈利或至少现金流为正。所以他们有自己的问题。
Uh Boeing, Coca-Cola. Boeing is a stock that's just been beat up. Those poor guys. Uh let's take a look how what they've been doing. Uh where's Boeing's? What am I missing? I don't remember Boeing's ticker. Oh, it's just BA. Duh. Stock's down uh down a little this morning. Rough metrics. Let's take a look. Is trading earnings are negative. That's going to hurt. That just throws everything off. Let's take a look at some charts. So, first of all, market cap and EV are pretty close together. So, that should mean they have relatively little debt. 27 billion of debt or so. I guess if you have negative earnings, then that debt is still massive. No matter how how quote little it is, if you're not making any money, that debt is monstrous. Okay, so let's uh relative to the to the capbacks, it's relatively small. Boeing 66 billion of revenue uh with negative EDA man even before depreciation they're losing weight has a rough go of it. Free cash flow operating cash flow is basically break even. Less capbacks um they're negative. That's not good. Stockbased comp. You stockbased comp is still they're still doing two billion a year in stockbased comp. Leverage is debt levels are coming down. I don't know how that's possible if you have negative cash flow, but okay. But the earnings are just and inventory is up quite a lot. That's not a good Oh, that's how they're doing. They're issuing shares. There you go. That solves the problem. There you go. There's your clue. That's called dilution, my friends. If you have negative cash flow for several years, like these guys, negative earnings for several years, operating cash flow turns negative or break even. plus heavy capex business, you're going to um you're going to have to issue shares. And they look like they they swapped equity for debt. So they paid down they cut the debt in half from roughly 40 billion. No, no, no, sorry. That's just 20. That's just a quarter from 40 billion to about 30 billion. They brought the debt down and they issued uh about what's that 20% more stock. So they diluted all the stockholders. This is why debt is is is a problem, right? The business takes a turn. You have to make payment to the bank or you lose the business. So you issue shares. Those issuance of shares um put downward pressure on the price of the stock, right? Because there's only so many buyers. So the stock price goes down, you issue shares. It continues to push the stock price down. you take that money and rather than having um capex like we're seeing with Meta where you can invest it in new growth opportunities, you basically have just hand the money back to the bank um which creates no value. All it does is is protect your ability to lose cash another another year um before you have to do the whole thing whole process all over again. So, it's a little bit of a little bit of a spiral. They absolutely have to fix their operating margin. There is no in my opinion, this is this whole channel is my opinion, but look there they make they make 90 billion in in in revenue. You're telling me you can't keep a single dollar of earnings out of 90 billion of of of revenue or let alone cash? That's a major problem. Like that that's an executive problem. That is the the management. That is the senior team. That's a huge issue. Let's take a look at their P&L and figure out what on God's green earth is the problem. Well, okay, here's the problem. Gross profit is so thin, they can't possibly make any money. So, manufacturing company that makes airplanes, right? There's Boeing and Airbus. There's two. It's a duopoly. How are margins so thin in a duopoly in in in the world? That's shock. I mean, that just that's crazy. It seems like a mispricing to me. They should raise the price of the airplanes. I That's what I would do if you again from the cheap seats. Um, it looks to me like their gross profit margin is not nearly where it needs to be. It used to be above 10%. It used to be 13, 14, 18% gross profit margin, which is healthy for a manufacturing company. Um, like Boeing, it's got union labor, big heavy machine, long sales cycle, low low frequency of product, right? It's a large complicated item, right? That's now sitting at 5%. That drop of 10% is a cut to earnings of $10 billion. That's essentially their entire profit margin went out the window when this gross profit fell. So, what the executive team needs to do is go back through and look at their market pricing, look at the volume of output they're getting, look at their labor contracts, look at everything they can, their facilities, whatever it is to get this number back down because that is not that is not uh conducive to letting the business continue to change. And unfortunately, that's not an overnight solution. That is a manufacturing process issue. And it's going to take time to understand what the problem is, figure out a solution, implement the solution, then see the solution in the financial results. That's it's different from a problem like if if if SGNA was too high, which incidentally it might be way too high, $6 billion of SGNA, right? SGNA is the the corporate headcount um legal lawsuits insurance um stuff that at the corporate office but that has doubled. If you look at 2019 it was 4 billion. It's now 6 billion. Okay, it's not doubling but but revenue is flat if not down and the corporate team is making more money. No sir, that's not right. You need to rightsize air quotes some some payroll right there and squeeze out enough money to be profitable or at least cash flow positive. So they've got they've got their own they've got their own issues.
这个频道对 $BA 的历次判断
Rational Investing - Cameron Stewart, CFA 在这只股票上只有这一条判断。