戴尔业绩强劲且利润率扩张,但当前估值依赖高增长的持续性;尽管基本面强劲,技术面显示在接近高点时需保持谨慎。
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戴尔刚刚公布了强劲的财报,表明人工智能的过度建设远未结束,这与我们的论点一致,因为我们确实相信来自SpaceX和其他公司的资金将继续流入这个漩涡,无论是Anthropic的IPO还是融资、债务融资等等,这些资金都会不断循环进入这些人工智能硬件公司。
Del just smashed earnings, suggesting the AI overbuild is nowhere close to finishing, which has been consistent with the thesis given that we really believe that the money coming from SpaceX and other companies is going to keep going into this vortex, whether it's the anthropic IPO or money raising, debt financing, whatever, it's all just going to kind of keep cycling into these AI hardware companies.
戴尔就是其中一部分资金的接收者。他们从金融体系中吸走资金用于资本支出,戴尔承接了其中的一部分。那么我们从戴尔那里得到了什么,又有什么有趣之处呢?戴尔刚刚公布的营收全面超出预期。
第三季度营收指引上调16.9%,这非常好。人工智能优化服务器的预测比预期高出23%,达到740亿,而预期为600亿。这才是真正的亮点。他们的财年每股收益预测比预期高出42%,这简直不可思议。
不是每股17.9美元,而是在调整后每股收益的粗略中值区间17.8到17.9美元,用于下一财年或截至2027年1月的财年。他们的财年有点奇怪。不是17.8到17.9,而是预计调整后每股收益为25.50美元。
25.50,天哪。这是对他们预测的42%的大幅超出。现在,这是调整后每股收益,所以可能有一些奇怪的数学计算在里面。
Dell is the recipient of some of that sucking. They suck money out of the financial system to invest in capital expenditures. Dell picks some of that up. So what did we just get out of Dell and what's so interesting about it? Dell just reported uh revenues uh that beat expectations across the board. We got Q3 revenue guide up 16.9%. Which is really good. The AI optimized server forecast uh came in 23% higher than expected at 74 billion versus 60. And this was really the showstopper. Their fiscal year earnings per share forecast came in 42% higher than expected, which is insane. Instead of $17.9 per share uh on uh 17.8 17.9 in that rough midpoint range for adjusted EPS next year or for the uh yeah, for the fiscal year uh ending January 2027. Their fiscal year is a little funky. Uh instead of 17.8 to 17.9, they're expecting to have adjusted EPS of $25.50. 2550. Come on, man. This is a massive beat of 42% on their forecast buy online. Now, that is adjusted EPS. So, there could be some funky math going on there.
所以,我想做的是深入研究他们的利润率,因为我一直认为戴尔是一个利润率相对较低的基础设施公司。
So, what I wanted to do was go deep in uh dig deep into their margins because I've always thought of Dell as a relatively low margin infrastructure play.
但说到利润率,我一直认为戴尔历史上是一家低利润率的企业。自2020年以来,他们确实如此。回顾2020年,你会看到他们亏损了。好吧,那是新冠疫情。2021年利润率2.3%。2022、2023、2024、2025年基本上在4.2%到4.8%之间。
很低。但看看他们利润率的预期变化。2026年5.7%,2027年7.1%,到2031年最终达到约8.2%,这是基于当前分析师的预期。从25年到26年的跃升,然后到2027年1月的跃升。
顺便说一句,所有这些日期都在1月结束,这又是他们奇怪的财年日历,但无所谓。从4.8%到5.7%代表了18.9%或18.8%的增长。如果我用17.1除以5.7,那代表了24%或12%的增长率。
所以这些净利润率在飙升,这也是戴尔财报引起如此多热情的原因之一,因为我们发现一个利润率相对较低的供应商实际上为戴尔贡献了可观的利润增长。
But talking about margins, so I've always thought of Dell as a historically low margin business. And since 2020, they really have been. Go back to 2020, you see, they lost money. Uh, okay fine. It was COVID. 2021 2.3% margins. 2022 23 24 25 basically between 4.2 to 4.8% margins. Low. But look at the expectations of what's happening to their margins. 2026 5.7 2027 7.1 terminating at about 8.2 in 2031 based on current analyst expectations. this jump between 25 and 26 uh and then this jump up to January of 2027. All these dates, by the way, end in January, which is again their sort of weird fiscal calendar, but whatever. 5.7 from 4.8 represents an 18.9% 18.8% growth. And if I go 17.1 divided by 5.7, that represents a 24 12% growth rate. So these net income margins are popping off and that's one of the reasons there's so much enthusiasm on the earnings report coming from Dell because we're finding that a relatively low margin provider is actually contributing uh substantial bottomline boosts uh for Dell.
那么,如果我转到他们的基础设施部门,那里你会看到人工智能服务器,你会发现人工智能优化服务器比去年翻了一番。有趣的是,这个增长比上个季度只增长了1.67%。你看,我调出了他们上一份财报,截至5月1日,人工智能优化服务器为161亿。
而本季度为164亿。所以,你开始遇到一些大数字的问题,但每股收益的增长才是让人们真正对这只股票兴奋的原因。我个人认为这是一个红旗。我想明确一点,我对戴尔没有多头或空头的敞口。只是分享我对这个的反应。
So, if I jump on over to their infrastructure group, which is where you're going to see the artificial intelligence servers, you'll find here that AI optimized servers saw a doubling from last year. Now, interestingly, that growth was only 1.67% from the last quarter. See, I pulled up their last earnings report, and AI optimized servers ending May 1st sat at 16.1 billion. And in this quarter, they sat at 16.4 billion. So, you're kind of starting to run into some of those large number concerns, but the EPS growth is what's making people really excited about the stock. I personally flag this as a little bit of a red flag. And I want to be clear, I do not have an exposure long or short to Dell. Just sharing, you know, my sort of reaction to this.
我确实看到本季度传统服务器和存储增长更多,分别为122%和26%,而上一季度它们分别增长92%和8%。所以这两个细分市场实际上都增长良好,导致基础设施部门收入增长89%。上一季度增长率更高,因为人工智能优化服务器有700%的增长。
所以这里人工智能优化服务器环比略有放缓,你遇到了大数定律,但迷人的不是大数定律问题,而是他们的定价能力,他们的营业利润占净利润的百分比,扣除成本后,现在基础设施解决方案集团为15%,而过去是8.8%或8%。
所以他们过去卖一台服务器给某人,能带来8.8%的营业利润。现在他们带来的营业利润几乎是原来的两倍。好吧,我说两倍可能有点慷慨。他们带来了70%的更多。那真的很好。所以利润率跃升很迷人。
人们喜欢这个。利润率跃升可能证明了戴尔调整后每股收益预测的上升是合理的。
Uh I did see that in this quarter traditional servers and storage grew more at 122% and 26% whereas in the last quarter they were growing at 92% and 8%. So both of those segments actually grew nicely leading to an 89% increase in that infrastructure group revenue. Uh last quarter higher growth rate because of that growth uh you know that like 700% growth rate in AI optimized servers. So a little bit of a slowdown quarterto quartarter uh here in AI optimized servers you are running into the law of large numbers but what's fascinating isn't the law of num large numbers problem what's fascinating is their pricing power their uh percentage of operating income as a percentage of net income so after costs is now 15% for the infrastructure solutions group it used to be 8.8% 8%. So they had to go sell a server to somebody and they'd bring bring 8.8% to operating income. Now they're bringing nearly twice that to operating income. Okay, I might be generous with twice. They are bringing 70% more. That's really good. So that margin pop is fascinating. People love that. that margin pop could be justifying this boost we're seeing in Dell's uh forecast for adjusted EPS.
但我不只是想看基础设施解决方案集团。所以我想看看他们的定价能力是否在其他地方增长。如果我看他们产品的利润率增长,答案是肯定的。我们产生的收入比产品成本高。这是定价能力的提升。另外,当我们比较总收入增长58%或仅产品增长72%,然后看毛利润增长80%,我们可以看到80%的毛利润增长大于收入增长,这意味着他们获得了更多的定价。
你也可以反过来看,他们的成本增长慢于实际收入增长。这很好。产品和服务实际上都是负的。他们在服务上花的钱更少。所以你有这个扩大的毛利率。这些都是定价能力的迹象。
But I didn't just want to look at the infrastructure solutions group. So I wanted to see if their pricing power is growing elsewhere. If I look at their margin growth on products, the answer is yes. We are generating more revenues than our products are costing us. That's an increase in pricing power. Plus, when we compare total revenue growing at 58% or even just products growing at 72%. And then we look at gross margin growth of 80%. We can see that 80% their gross margin is greater than what their revenue growth is, which means they're taking more pricing. You can also look at it in the inverse by looking at their costs which are growing slower than their actual uh revenues are growing. Uh which is great. both both products services were actually negative over here. They spent less money on services. So you've got this expanding gross margin. Those are all signs of pricing power.
有没有可能这都是暂时的泡沫?当然。当然。就像我说的,我认为我们还有一次好的狂热反弹,然后我认为Anthropic会毁了每个人的一天。不是在他们IPO的时候,而是当他们上市后报告第一、第二和第三个季度的收益时,人们开始说,“啊,真的吗?
没那么好。”你知道,这种情况越多,支出就会开始放缓一点,硬件炒作就会消退。我仍然认为从现在到那时有一个炒作周期。但戴尔实际上非常独特,因为戴尔实际上不卖给超大规模云服务商。戴尔专注于主权云、新云,以及企业业务。
Is it possible this is all a temporary bubble? Of course. Of course. Like you know, like I said, I think we got one more good euphoric rally and then I think Anthropic ruins everyone's day. Not right when they IPO, but when they report their first and second and third quarter earnings as they're public and people start going, "Ah, really? That's not that good." You know, the more that starts happening, that's when, you know, some of the spending slows down a little bit and the hardware hype kind of dies. I still think there's a hype cycle between now and them. But Dell is actually really unique because Dell doesn't actually sell to the hyperscalers. Dell focuses their sales on the sovereigns, the Neoclouds, uh, and then also uh, the the enterprise businesses.
这正是戴尔在营收方面所说的。如果你看戴尔的营收,他们说,这完全正确,IT环境已经从成本中心转变为推动增长和竞争优势的价值驱动因素,客户正在相应投资,为戴尔的产品组合创造机会。
And that's literally what Dell said at their top line. If you look at Dell's top line, they say, and it's totally true, it environments have shifted from cost centers to value drivers that fuel growth and competitive advantages, and customers are investing accordingly, creating opportunities across the Dell portfolio.
现在,让我们想想这对戴尔意味着什么。这意味着客户普遍去找戴尔说,“嘿,我们不太在乎成本。”我的意思是,显然有一些限制,但企业业务,这有点多余,企业会去找戴尔说,“我们想要AI服务器在我们的业务中。
帮我们设置。我们不想自己去买显卡。我们不想雇工程师来构建运行它的软件。你给我们软件,给我们硬件,插上电,告诉我我有一个AI数据服务器。戴尔会为你做这些。”这就是酷的地方。
Now, let's think about what that means for Dell. What that means is across the board, you have customers going to Dell saying, "Hey, we don't really care what it costs." I mean, there's obviously some limit, but enterprise businesses, that's a little redundant, businesses are going to Adele and they're saying, "We want AI servers in our business. Help us set them up. We don't want to go buy the graphics card ourselves. We don't want to hire the engineers to build the software to run it. you give us the software, you give us the hardware, plug it in, and tell me I have an AI data server. Dell will do that for you. And that's what's kind of cool.
现在,CEO表示他们存在零星的CPU短缺,以及磁盘驱动器短缺。请记住,这是在Alpha会员的股票标签页上。他们预计到2030年,所有数据中心需求中的75%将是人工智能。我实际上并不认为这是一个问题,主要是因为我认为我们只是在从普通服务器过渡到能够同时处理AI和非AI任务的服务器。
这就像是下一代服务器,对吧?他们表示下半年会比上半年更强劲。我认为这在一定程度上解释了季度环比增长率的放缓。我认为那个季度环比增长率,不是同比,而是与上一季度相比,有点奇怪。实际上它只增长了大约1%。
好吧,无所谓。这确实是我发现的少数几个危险信号之一。他们表示,对于较旧的第14代服务器及更早的服务器,存在巨大的更新换代机会。然后,财年盈利预测低了42%。
Now, the CEO says they have spotty CPU shortages uh and shortages with disk drives as well. Uh keep in mind, this is on the stock tab for course members in the alpha membership. They expect that 75% of all data center demand will be artificial intelligence by 2030. I don't actually see that as an issue mostly because I think we're just kind of transitioning away from a normal server to a server that can basically do AI and non AI tasks. It's just sort of like the next generation server, right? Uh they say here the second half they think will be even stronger than the first half. I think that's a little bit of explaining for that slowdown in the quarter overquarter growth rate. I think that quarter over-arter growth rate like not year-over-year but comparing to last quarter was a little weird. like really it only grew to about 1%. Okay, whatever. Uh like really one of the few red flags I found. Uh big refresh opportunity they say for older 14th generation servers and before that. Uh and then uh you know the fiscal year forecast for earnings were 42% too low.
这是基本面分析中最难的部分,你必须将自己的增长预期与分析师的预测进行比较。分析师可能高估,也可能低估。这显然是问题所在。因此,如果我们根据分析师的预期来看这家公司目前的状况,其增长率约为16.3,市盈率约为——让我们看看,如果取年底的1910,修订后的数字,那大约是24倍。
所以目前我们的交易价格大约是除以16.3,实际上PEG比率仅为1.49。这是在最近这些财报公布之后。所以这个数字确实对戴尔的底线带来了一些有意义的变化。
And this is the hardest thing about fundamental analysis is you kind of have to compare your expectations for growth to what analysts are projecting. And analysts can be wrong to the upside, they could be wrong to the downside. It's obviously the problem with that. So if we look at where this company sits right now based on analyst expectations, it's sitting at a growth rate of about 16.3 with a price to earnings ratio of about uh let's see if we take 1910 for the end of the year. Now revised numbers that puts us at about uh 24 times. So right now we're trading for somewhere around divided by 16.3 actually trading for only about 1.49. 49 on a PEG ratio. That's after these last earning sets uh come in. So this number really drove some meaningful change to that that Dell bottom line.
所以我要修改一下目前预测的每股收益。我们有19或——我把它写下来。我们有1910,然后分析师预期的增长率是16%。但请记住,如果预测实际盈利将高出约42%,那么我们可能实际上增长率接近23%。
如果我们调整这一点,这家公司的PEG突然看起来便宜得多,而且看起来公司有更大的潜在上行空间。因为如果我现在过来说:“好吧,我们说增长率为23%。我们给1.4的PEG,以1月份的每股收益计算。”我们可能达到的目标价区间在527到615之间。
Uh so I'm going to modify this uh in terms of the EPS that's currently projected. We've got 19 or I'm just going to write this down. We've got 19 10 uh and then the growth rate analysts expect 16%. But remember, if the forecast is that we're actually going to be about 42% higher on earnings, then we might actually be growing closer to 23%. If we adjust that in, the peg for this company all of a sudden looks a lot more inexpensive and it looks like the company has more potential upside. Because if I now come in here and say, "All right, we're going to say growth is 23%. We're going to give it a 1.4 peg at uh the EPS for the for January. We could potentially get to a price target range between 527 to 615."
关于这一点,有一件非常重要的事情。该目标区间假设我们能够持续超出预期,即从现在到2030年的所有预期都应上调约42%。这可能过于激进。不幸的是,如果你剔除那42%,股票实际上不应该有任何变动,对吧?
你可能会认为,凭借这些最新的盈利,实际上他的盈利非常好。他们赚了更多的钱,但现在股价已经反映了这一点。上次我们看戴尔时,我们觉得:“啊,他们有点贵。”你知道,市场预期更大的增长,而我们得到了。
所以,上次我们觉得,天哪,这些盈利,这些预期,它们真的很低。突然之间,我们得到了这些疯狂的盈利。就像股票暴涨,你知道,6%之类的。大大超出了人们的预期。那很棒。现在股价上涨了7%。你大约在455的位置。
Now, there's something really important about that. That target range assumes that we could keep beating estimates that all estimates between now and 2030 should get jacked up by about 42%. That might be too aggressive. Unfortunately, if you discount away that 42%, the stock shouldn't really go anywhere, right? You kind of suggest with these latest earnings, it's actually his earnings were really good. they're making a whole lot more money, but now the stock has already priced that in. The last time we looked at Dell, we're like, "Ah, they're a little pricey." You know, the markets are expecting bigger growth and we got that. So, last time we're like, man, you know, these earnings, these estimates, they're they're really low. All of a sudden, we get these crazy earnings. It's like stock blows up, you know, 6% or whatever. Blows people's expectations out of the water. That's great. Stocks up now 7%. You're sitting at about 455.
如果我们从技术面来看,我们可以看到我们非常接近这里的顶部。让我们往下看。我们取2025年,在这种情况下,我们取2025年的低点,然后快速看一下技术面。如果我取514和6473。
好的,锁定它。看看我们所处的位置。我们实际上是从417线跳下来的,我们一直围绕这条线波动。所以,这是一个持久的反弹点。在这些水平附近买入更可取。有可能,因为从现在到美联储会议之间市场有点脆弱。
也许你能再次获得折扣。但另一方面,你真的必须预期那些高增长率才能证明远期估值的合理性。
If we look at this on a technical basis, we could see we're pretty dang close to the top over here. Uh let's go down. We'll take the 2025 uh in this case, we'll take the 2025 bottom and we'll just do a quick technical look at it. If I take 514 and 6473 here. Okay, lock that into place. Look at where we're sitting. We're literally jumping off of that 417 line that we've consistently been rubber banding around. So, a durable place to bounce on. More preferable to buy it around these levels. It's possible because the market is a little tenuous between now and Fed day. maybe you'll be able to get a discount for this again. But the flip side is you really have to expect those big growth rates to justify the forward valuation on this.
所以也许你认为企业AI会持续更长时间,比超大规模企业的AI需求长得多。我不反对这个论点。我认为存在一种风险,如果超大规模企业的需求消失,硬件领域的股票都会下跌。但企业需求可能持久得多。
所以,我喜欢企业支出,但我在这里要指出一点,五,我们怎么说?五,这是利润率的下限。1.2的PEG与1.4的PEG相比,我们得出527到615。517到615的最终目标价需要约23%的平均每股收益增长。
这可能有些泡沫。企业可能会在未来几年 rush to AI,但最终增长率能否维持?因为如果最终增长率最终为10%,那么在这些较低的8%利润率下,我们又会变得非常昂贵。
So maybe you do maybe you think enterprise AI is going to last a whole lot longer, boom, a whole lot more than the hyperscaler uh AI demand. I don't disagree with that argument. Uh I think there's a risk that if hyperscaler demand goes away, all stocks kind of fall in the hardware space. But enterprise might be a whole lot more durable. Uh, so I like the enterprise spending, but I will make a note here that a five, what do we say? Five, this is on the low end for margins. 1.2 peg versus 1.4 peg puts us out 527 to 615. 517 to 615 uh terminal price target uh requires uh about 23% average EPS growth. That might be frothy. Uh enterprise might rush to AI the next few years but will terminal growth rates hold up right uh rates hold up because if the terminal growth rate for this ends up at 10%. You know then then we get to really pricey again at these lower 8% margins.
所以总而言之,增长确实超出了预期。现在市场有些紧张,但支出仍在疯狂进行。这对现在有好处,而且说实话对戴尔也有好处。他们在低利润率产品上赚的钱比市场预期的多得多。这非常令人印象深刻。我希望他们能继续保持。
So bottom line, growth really beat expectations here. Yes, some nervousness in markets now, but the spend is still going on like crazy. That's good for now and uh honestly good for Dell. They are making way more money on a low margin product than uh than markets expected. Uh and it's very impressive. I hope they keep it going.
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