NVDA近期基本面强劲(垄断定价、订单有保障、现金流充裕),但面临硬件周期性、循环融资和高估值的长期风险;质疑当前增长是否可持续,或是否会像过去的芯片周期一样下滑。
逐段跳播
如果你持有英伟达、AMD 或 Palantir 的股票,你会被告知要持有、逢低买入并加强仓位,因为一波数十亿美元的浪潮即将到来。
If you own shares of Nvidia, AMD, or Palantir, you are told to hold on, buy on the dip, and strengthen your positions because a multi-billion dollar wave is coming.
接下来是英伟达股票。与 Palantir 不同,这不是关于业务活动是否真实的争论。每个人都知道这项业务是真实的。问题是,你为它付出了什么代价?
Next is Nvidia stock . Unlike Palantir, this is not a debate about whether the business activity is real or not . Everyone knows that this business is real. The question is, what are you paying for it?
上涨的第一个论点是,他们目前拥有垄断定价权。英伟达不再仅仅销售图形处理单元。他们销售每个人都需要的一整套产品。中央处理器、网络、软件,所有这些。他们每吉瓦数据中心电力的收入已从 Hopper 的 180 亿美元增加到 Blackwell 的 250 亿美元,再到 Vera Rubin 的 400 亿美元。
因此,英伟达非但没有随着竞争降低价格,反而在每个周期都提高价格。
The first argument for the rise is that they currently have monopoly pricing power . Nvidia no longer just sells graphics processing units. They sell the complete package that everyone needs. Central processing units, networks, software, all of that. Their revenues per gigawatt of data center power have increased from $18 billion with Hooper to $25 billion with Blackwell, and to $40 billion with Vera Rubin. So, instead of lowering prices with the competition, Nvidia actually raises prices in every cycle.
上涨的第二个论点:订单是有保证的。英伟达上个季度创造了 960 亿美元的收入,同比增长 106%。他们预计下个季度的收入为 1080 亿美元。管理层表示,他们面临供应限制,直到 2028 年。
这意味着需求如此之高,以至于他们无法足够快地制造芯片。他们的收入来源在未来十八个月内基本上是有保证的。
The second argument for the rise : the order is guaranteed. Nvidia generated $96 billion in revenue last quarter, a 106% year-over-year increase. They projected revenues of $108 billion for the next quarter. The administration stated that they face supply constraints until 2028. This means that demand is so high that they cannot manufacture chips quickly enough . Their revenue stream is essentially guaranteed for the next eighteen months.
上涨的第三个论点,也是我喜欢听到的,是现金流机器。英伟达在一个季度内产生了 210 亿美元的自由现金流。它已经回购了价值 260 亿美元的股票,并且其回购计划中仍有 1000 亿美元。
他们像软件公司一样印钱,并用它来减少股票数量,即使股价固定,这也会提高每股收益。伙计们,请记住,作为投资者,我不希望他们购买定价过高的股票,但我们稍后会谈到这一点。
The third argument for the rise, and this is what I like to hear, is the cash flow machine. Nvidia generated $ 21 billion in free cash flow in a single quarter. It has repurchased $26 billion worth of shares and still has $100 billion remaining in its buyback program . They print money like a software company and use it to reduce the number of shares, which raises earnings per share even if the share price is fixed. Guys, remember, as an investor, I don't want them to buy overpriced stocks, but we'll get to that later.
在我们继续讨论负面论点之前,还有一件关于英伟达的事情。这条新闻刚刚发布,真的。英伟达以 130 亿美元收购了“Hugging Face”。“Hugging Face”这个名字听起来像是 Bill Belichick 可能为任何社交媒体公司想出的那种名字。
如果你不知道“Hugging Face”是什么,它基本上是人工智能领域最大的开放平台。三百万个 AI 模型、50 万个数据集以及超过 1800 万开发者使用它。它是开源人工智能世界的所在地。
现在,这就是为什么这很重要。Hugging Face 去年已经拒绝了英伟达 5 亿美元的投资,因为他们不希望一家公司拥有太多控制权。而现在,英伟达直接收购了这家公司。黄仁勋表示,这是关于在工厂、医院、农场、教室以及我们能到达的任何地方部署开放 AI 模型。
但让我们现实地看待这还意味着什么。它让英伟达控制了人工智能领域最大的分销渠道之一。更多的开放模型意味着更多的人需要芯片来运行它们。而这些芯片将在谁的芯片上运行?这是英伟达有史以来最大的一笔收购,大约是 2020 年收购 Mellanox 价格的两倍。
And one more thing about Nvidia before we move on to the negative arguments. This news just came out, literally. Nvidia acquires "Hugging Face" for $13 billion . The name "Hugging Face " sounds like the kind of name Bill Belichick might come up with for any social media company. If you don't know what " Hugging Face" is, it is basically the largest open platform in the field of artificial intelligence. Three million AI models, 500,000 datasets, and more than 18 million developers use it. It is where the world of open- source artificial intelligence lives. Now, here's why that's important. Hacking Face had already turned down a $500 million investment from Nvidia last year because they did not want one company to have too much control. And now, Nvidia is buying the company outright. Jensen Huang said it's about deploying open AI models in factories, hospitals, farms, classrooms, and everywhere we can reach. But let's be realistic about what this also does. It gives Nvidia control of one of the largest distribution channels in artificial intelligence. More open models mean more people need chips to run them. And on whose chips will they operate? This is Nvidia's largest acquisition ever, roughly double what it paid for Mellanox in 2020.
我可以呼吁这些科技公司的 CEO 吗?不要在选择名字时试图太令人印象深刻。他们刚刚给这个东西起了个名字,比如“Joe”。或者名字“Frank”。这些是我们软件的名字。这对我来说难以置信。
“Hugging Face”。多么愚蠢的名字,“Hugging Face”?哦,我的天,那笔交易是让英伟达从一家芯片公司变成一家数据中心公司的交易。这笔交易可能同样重要。
May I appeal to the CEOs of these tech companies ? Stop trying to be too impressive in your choice of names. They just gave the thing a name like "Joe". Or the name " Frank". These are the names of our software. It's unbelievable to me. " Hugging face". What a really stupid name, "Hugging Face"? Oh my God, that deal is what turned Nvidia from a chip company into a data center company . This deal could be just as important.
第一个负面论点是,设备本质上几乎总是周期性的。没有一家硬件公司能逃脱这一点。一旦微软、Meta、谷歌和亚马逊完成建设他们的 AI 数据中心,他们就会从建设模式转向维护模式。这些芯片可以使用多年。
一旦世界上最大的数据中心装满了 Blackwell 和 Rubin 芯片,英伟达的收入不仅会稳定下来,而且可能会暴跌。
The first negative argument is that devices are cyclical in nature, almost always. No hardware company has ever escaped this . Once Microsoft, Meta, Google and Amazon have finished building their AI data centers , they move from build mode to maintenance mode. These chips last for years. Once the world’s largest data centers are filled with Blackwell and Robin chips, Nvidia’s revenues will not only stabilize, but could plummet.
第二个负面情况是循环融资的问题。英伟达利用其资产负债表为初创公司提供资金、支持租赁和担保贷款,以便这些公司能够购买更多英伟达芯片。想想看。英伟达实际上资助其客户购买其产品。这在损益表上显示为收入,但如果这些初创公司未能产生利润,整个循环将崩溃。这是一种人为的需求。
The second negative situation is the problem of circular financing. Nvidia uses its balance sheet to fund startups, support leases, and guarantee loans, so that those companies can buy more Nvidia chips. Think about it. Nvidia literally funds its customers to buy its products. This shows up as revenue on the income statement, but if those startups fail to generate profits, the whole cycle will collapse. This is an artificial request.
这是第三个负面情景,5.4 万亿美元的问题。英伟达是一家 5.4 万亿美元的公司,并且是现在,伙计们,Tim 刚刚问了一个很好的问题。他说,英伟达这样做与 Kohl's 信用卡或销售人员说“嘿,你可以稍后付款”有什么区别?这是一个很好的问题,我相信很多人都在问。
Here's the third negative scenario, the $5.4 trillion problem. Nvidia is a $5.4 trillion company and is Now, guys, Tim just asked a great question . He says, what's the difference between Nvidia doing this and a Kohl's credit card or a salesperson saying, " Hey, you can pay me later." That's a great question, and I'm sure many people are asking it.
区别在于此。许多向初创公司销售芯片的公司要么没有收入,要么甚至不盈利。如果这些公司不盈利,最终谁来承担损失?突然,英伟达将不得不修改其财务报表,说:“嘿,你还记得我们之前记录的收入吗?
不是 100 亿,现在将是 30 亿,因为那只是我们收到的。”这就是当前的问题。
The difference lies in this. Many of these companies that sell chips to startups either have no revenue or don't even make a profit. If those companies do not make a profit, who will ultimately bear the loss ? Suddenly, Nvidia will have to amend its financial statements to say: "Hey, do you remember this revenue we recorded previously? Instead of being 10 billion, it will now be 3 billion because that's just what we collected." This is the problem at hand.
所以,伙计们,你们已经看到了英伟达的两面,积极的和消极的。这里有一个诚实的问题。你能自己做吗?你能打开英伟达的数据,查看实际的财务数据,并决定你支付的是公平的价格还是愚蠢的价格吗?
你能拿一家以 40 倍销售额交易、市值 5.4 万亿美元的公司,决定它是否会给你所需的回报,还是你只是依赖一厢情愿的想法?因为这就是投资和猜测之间的区别。
So, guys, you've seen both sides of Nvidia, the positive and the negative. And here's the honest question. Can you do it yourself? Can you open Nvidia's data now, look at the actual financial figures, and decide whether you're paying a fair price or a stupid price? Can you take a $5.4 trillion company that's trading at 40 times sales and decide whether it will give you the return you need, or are you just relying on wishful thinking? Because that's the difference between investing and guessing.
伙计们,想想这个。以错误的价格购买英伟达股票的成本是多少?因为一则新闻标题让你兴奋,因为每个人都在喊这些公司正在疯狂增长,所以购买英伟达或 Palantir 并支付过高的价格。
但是,伙计们,关于一只股票的一个错误决定可能会让你损失成千上万美元。
Guys, think about this. What is the cost of buying Nvidia shares at the wrong price? Buying Nvidia or Palantir and paying an exorbitant price because a news headline excited you, and because everyone is shouting that these companies are growing like crazy. But guys, one bad decision about one stock could cost you thousands and thousands of dollars.
好的,伙计们,让我们在这里回顾一下“英伟达”。再次,这是一家价值五万五千亿美元的公司。这就是价格。这家公司估值 5.5 万亿。所以它不像“Palantir”那样好,但它的债务对于一家去年产生了 1270 亿美元自由现金流的公司来说仍然非常低。
而且,伙计们,净利润 1930 亿美元。这家公司真的在印钱。就数字而言,这家公司似乎没有什么不好。就其取得的成就而言,资本回报率为 73%,过去五年为 55%。
Okay guys, let 's review "Nvidia" here. Again, it's a company worth five and a half trillion dollars. This is the price. The company is valued at 5.5 trillion. So it's not as good a " Balantir" as it is, but its debt is still very low for a company that generated $127 billion in free cash flow last year. And guys, $193 billion in net income. This company literally prints money. It's as if nothing in this company is bad in terms of numbers. In terms of what it has achieved, returns of 73% on capital, and 55% for the past five years.
以下是可怕的部分。自由现金流率和市盈率仅为 28。所以,我知道很多人看到这个会说这很棒,我认为它确实很棒。但同样,我们必须问这个问题:他们的收入和利润从现在起会是永久的,还是会像芯片世界的其他部分及其历史一样,周期性的,然后最终下降?
Here are the scary parts. The free cash flow rate and price-to- earnings ratio are only 28. So, I know that many people look at this and say it's great, and I think it really is great. But again, we have to ask the question: Will their revenues and profits be permanent from now on , or will it be like the rest of the chip world and its history, cyclical and then eventually declining?
现在,这家公司比 Palantir 干净得多。我们这里唯一的“X”标记是五年自由现金流率,为他们辩护的是,他们的五年自由现金流是 520 亿美元,而一年自由现金流是 1270 亿美元。
所以,它已经大幅上升。所以,我更关注这一年。净利润也是如此,从过去五年的 700 亿增加到 1930 亿。
Now , this company is much cleaner than Palantir. The only "X" marks we have here are the five-year free cash flow rate , and in their defense, their five-year free cash flow is $52 billion, while their one-year free cash flow is $127 billion. So, it has risen considerably . So, I'm focusing more on this one year. The same applies to net income, from 70 billion in the past five years to 193 billion.
各位,我能向你们展示这家公司是如何成长的吗?因为我认为理解这一点非常重要。这些是过去十年的年度营收。他们创造了70亿美元的收入。2017年,他们全年的总收入是70亿美元。最近一年他们赚了3000亿美元。
这意味着什么,各位?他们现在几乎在一周内就实现了2017年全年的成就。他们几乎在一周内就实现了。这难道不令人惊叹吗?至于净利润,他们实现了更大的净利润,1930亿美元。他们实现了16.7亿美元。
这比2017年高出150倍。绝对令人难以置信。我再次提出这个问题:这是可持续的吗?
Hey guys, can I show you how this company has grown? Because I think it's really important to understand that. These are the annual revenues for the past ten years. They generated 7 billion in revenue. In 2017, their total revenue for the entire year was 7 billion. They made $300 billion in the last year recently. What does that mean, guys ? They are now achieving in almost one week what they achieved throughout the whole of 2017. They are achieving it almost in one week . Isn't this amazing? As for net income, they achieve a larger net income , 193 billion. They achieved 1.67 billion. This is 150 times higher than it was in 2017. Absolutely unbelievable. And I ask the question again , is this sustainable?
好的,让我们看看分析师们的看法。各位,分析师预测每股收益将从4美元上升到20美元,在未来四五年内增长五倍。至于营收,他们预计从2130亿美元达到1万亿美元。同样,在未来几年内增长五倍?绝对的疯狂。绝对的疯狂。
Okay, let's see what the analysts think. Well, folks, analysts are predicting that earnings will rise from $4 per share to $20 per share, a fivefold increase over the next four or five years. As for revenues, they range from 213 billion to reach one trillion dollars. Again, a 5-fold increase over the coming years? Absolute madness. Absolute madness.
好的,各位,我们现在面对我们的股票分析工具。基于我的假设,这家公司的价值是多少?我想再次重申,人们应该记住,我是从10年的角度来看待这个问题,包括我认为随着周期推进会出现下滑。
我仍然认为这些是大胆的预测,但我为未来十年设定了12%、20%和30%的营收增长率。我设定了35%、45%和55%的利润率,因为随着竞争进入,以及芯片进入某个周期,他们的利润率将会下降。
这可能实际上偏高。我不知道。接下来,十年后的市盈率。我设定了18、23和28。同样,我的回报率是9.5%。我按下了分析按钮。砰。各位,这就是令人惊叹的地方。我的低价是140,高价是1230,平均价是400。
看看这些区间有多宽,基于我的平均假设,看起来这可能是一个买入机会。问题是,你认为这些平均假设会是他们未来十年的比率吗?这是我们在进行任何投资时都应该问自己的问题,即使当我们看到像这里这样多的积极指标时也是如此。
Okay guys, we're now in front of our stock analysis tool. What is the value of the company based on my assumptions? Once again , I want to reiterate that people should remember that I am looking at this from a 10-year perspective, including what I consider to be a decline as the cycle progresses. I still think they are bold projections, but I have set revenue growth rates of 12, 20 and 30% for the next ten years. I set a profit margin of 35, 45 and 55%, because as competition enters , and as chips enter a certain cycle, their profit margins will decrease. This may actually be high . I don't know. Next, the earnings multiple 10 years from now. I placed 18, 23 and 28. Again, my return is 9.5 percent . I pressed the analyze button. Boom. Guys, this is the amazing thing. I have a low price at 140, a high price at 1230, and an average price at 400. Look how wide these ranges are, and based on my average assumption, it looks like this could be a buying opportunity here. The question is, do you think these average assumptions will be their rates for the next ten years? This is the question we should ask ourselves about any investment we make, even when there are so many positive indicators as we see here.
它也不是像英伟达那样的王者。与英伟达和Palantir不同,AMD股票的交易价格处于一个更为合理的远期市盈率水平。所以他们不会完全依赖英伟达。
nor is it a king like Nvidia. Unlike Nvidia and Palantir, AMD stock is trading at a much more reasonable forward price-to-earnings ratio . so they don't become entirely dependent on Nvidia.
英伟达的毛利率为75%。这意味着,从他们销售的每一部分中,在支付了所有相关的直接成本后,其中75%作为利润用于覆盖一般费用和税收。
Nvidia operates with a gross profit margin of 75%. This means that from each segment they sell, after paying all the direct costs associated with it, 75% of it goes as profits to cover general expenses and taxes.
AMD正试图在人工智能市场的顶端与英伟达竞争,
AMD is trying to fight Nvidia at the top of the AI market,
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