TSLA是退休投资的看涨论点;与SpaceX的潜在合并将创造一家到2032年价值18万亿至35万亿美元的合并实体。
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今天我要讲的是关于退休计划的一个更新,但有一个转折,那就是如果你持有特斯拉,并且它转换为SpaceX,比率是多少?这对你的退休投资组合有何影响?
Today I will be talking about an update to the Retire on but with a twist and that is what happens if you have Tesla and if it converts to SpaceX, what are the ratios? How does it impact your retirement bag?
我的问题是,我们的退休计划是基于特斯拉的投资组合吗?我终于用大约320股填满了我的投资组合,约占我投资组合的58%。你说过,把我们的特斯拉股票看作SpaceX的一个期权。是的,一个SpaceX的看涨期权,我明白,但到2032年用300股退休,以及你和另一位分析师的预测价格,现在大家都相信SpaceX会收购特斯拉,那么由于合并后的价格和几年后的情况,股票数量会改变吗?
My question is, is our retire on Tesla bags? I finally filled my bag with about 320 shares, about 58% of my portfolio. And you said, look at our Tesla shares as an option on SpaceX. Yes, a call option on SpaceX, which I get, but how do we look at this as far as retire on by 2032 with 300 shares and your and other analyst projections of price now that everybody believes SpaceX will buy Tesla? Does the number of shares change because of the price post merger and several years out?
所以,首先,让我们分解一些数字,因为这其中有很多内容。所以,对于接下来的几张幻灯片,我表示歉意。请暂停它们,慢慢看,等等。但这是你的基准。320股,在不同的保守预测下。好的,旧的熊市目标大约是2032年2700到3100美元,上下浮动几美元。
预期情况是5200美元,然后我的牛市目标是8种方式到8000美元,大约8200美元。如果你有320股,假设SpaceX不存在,你的熊市目标会带你到864到92美元。你称之为接近一百万美元。
呃,预期目标是166万美元。我知道这很难相信。然后8种方式到8000到262万美元。疯了。现在,如果你在2032年后取出4%,你很容易就能取出4万到6.7万到10.5万美元,仅4%的利率。这是一个丰厚的退休金。
So, first of all, let's break down some of the numbers because there's quite a bit to this. So, I apologize for the next few slides. Pause them, take your time on them, etc. as you go through. But this here's your baseline. 320 shares and under different conservative predictions. Okay, the old bear was about target 2032 was 2700 to 3100 give or take a few dollars. The expected case is 5200 and then my bull target was 8 ways to $8,000 approximately 8,200 bucks. If you have 320 shares and assume SpaceX didn't exist, your bear would take you to 864 to92. you call it nearly a million bucks. Uh the the expected target 1.66 million. It's hard to believe, I know. And then eight ways to 8,000 to 2.62 million. Nuts. Now, if you pull out 4% after 2032, you can easily pull out 40K to 67K to 105K at just 4%. And that is a juicy back to retire on.
现在,这是关键部分。我一直在谈论这个很长时间,不同溢价的合并数学。例如,如果SpaceX决定收购特斯拉,他们不能只说“我们将以当前股价收购”。不,必须有溢价来诱使股东投票以50%的交易溢价出售。
你可以在这里看到这个表格,你的320股以可能每股特斯拉3.7股SpaceX的比率转换,你的320股变成1,183股SpaceX,特斯拉股东在新公司中的持股比例将是51.8%。
Now, this is the key part. And I've been talking about this for a long time, the merger math with different premiums. So, for example, if SpaceX decides to buy Tesla, they can't just say, "We'll buy at the current share price." No, there has to be a premium to entice the shareholders to vote to sell at a 50% deal premium. You can see here the rate of read this table, your 320 shares converting at maybe a SpaceX per Tesla 3.7. your 320 shares becomes 1,183 SpaceX shares and the Tesla holder percentage of the new company will be 51.8.
我认为不会那样发展。我认为一旦锁定期结束,SpaceX的价值会增加更多。我预计合并要到2027年或更晚才会发生,但肯定可能在接下来的两年内。到那时,SpaceX可能会积累更多价值。
所以对此持保留态度,尤其是在持股比例上。但这给了你数学,你现在需要考虑的是,如果你持有特斯拉股票,它们会变成多少SpaceX股票?
I don't think it'll work out that way. I think SpaceX will increase in value more once the lockups are through. I don't expect a merger to happen until 2027 or beyond, but definitely probably within the next two years. And by that time, SpaceX will acrue probably a lot more value. So take this with a grain of salt, especially on the percentage holding. But that gives you your math of what you need to think about now is okay, if you have Tesla shares, how many SpaceX shares that become?
另外,你问的另一个大问题是,320股能否让你在这些变化中退休?所以你必须以百分比而不是股票代码来思考,因为所有这些股票代码都会改变。事实上,SpaceX的股票代码和特斯拉的股票代码可能都会变成X。
我认为这就是埃隆一直想要的。但现在,你拥有大约0.000081 000081股或特斯拉的百分比。在50%的溢价或40%或60%之后,取决于我们得到什么,你将拥有特斯拉和SpaceX组合的0.435。这就是你需要思考的方式。
Also, the other big question you asked is does 320 shares get you to your retire on with all these changes? So you got to think in terms of percentages and not in terms of tickers anymore because all those tickers are going to change. In fact, the SpaceX ticker and the Tesla ticker will probably just become X. I think that is what Elon has always wanted. But right now, you own about 0.000081 000081 shares or percentage of Tesla. And after the 50% premium or 40% or 60% depending on what we get, you'll have 0.435 of the combo which is Tesla and SpaceX. That's the way you need to think in terms of dimensions.
现在,这个组合意味着什么?这是关键部分。所以,如果你看看我们走向的合并估值,比如特斯拉的沙袋是12万亿美元的市值,未来达到3100美元。SpaceX超级保守6万亿美元,但实际上会高得多。
我相信会达到数十万亿美元,尤其是考虑到埃隆·马斯克提出的一些预测。你的合并投资组合将拥有18万亿美元的市值。你可以用你持有的百分比乘以前一张幻灯片的数字。所以你的投资组合仍然值得,如果它是一个18万亿美元的合并沙袋,这是非常保守的,它将价值100万到130万美元。
Now, what does this combo mean? This is the critical part. So, if you look at the combined valuations of where we're going, like the Tesla sandbag is a 12 trillion market cap at $3,100 into the future. SpaceX super conservative 6 trillion, but really it's going to be a lot higher. It's going to be in the tens of trillions, I believe, especially with some of the predictions that Elon Musk has been coming out with. Your combined bag will have a market cap of 18 trillion. And you can multiply that by your percentage from the previous slide that you hold. So your bag will still be worth if it's a combined sandbag of 18 trillion which is very conservative it'll be worth 1 million to 1.3 million.
我估计,到2032年,特斯拉和SpaceX的预期估值将在28万亿到35万亿美元之间,尤其是当你看到他们在Cybercab、Optimus、Space、数据中心、Elon Web Services、Compute等规模上做的事情。
你知道,他现在正在为涡轮机建造叶片,因为涡轮机有五年的等待时间,他需要它们为数据中心创造能源。没有其他人像这样思考或这样做,但如果这真的发生了,你今天持有的320股将价值在160万到220万美元之间。
The expected valuation of Tesla and SpaceX will be somewhere between 28 trillion and 35 trillion I reckon by 2032 especially when you see the type of stuff that they're doing at scale between Cybercab Optimus Space Data Centers Elon Web Services Compute. you know, he's now building blades for turbines because there's a fiveyear wait time for turbines and he needs them to create energy for the data centers. Nobody else is thinking like this or doing this, but if this does happen, your bag of 320 shares today will be worth somewhere between 1.6 million and $2.2 million.
再次强调,我想强调一切可能归零。我们不知道这一切会走向何方。请记住这一点。这有风险。我整理了这个新图表。这是一个指南,不是财务建议,而是设定目标和指标。所以,一个很好的定位方式是尝试获得655股SpaceX股票,今天大约花费85,000美元,或者323股特斯拉股票,花费稍多一点。这就是你需要如何操作的指南。
Again, I do want to stress everything could go to zero. We don't know where any of this is going to go. Just bear that in mind. It's risky. And I put together this little new chart. This is a guide, not financial advice, but to set goals and targets. So, a good way to position yourself is try to get to 655 SpaceX shares, which cost about 85,000 today, or 323 Tesla shares, which costs a little bit more. That is the guide of how you need to play.
对于那些像我一样处于高税率制度的人,出售成本基础非常低的东西并产生大量税收和转向是困难的。所以请记住这一点。如果你免税,你有更好的机会。这就是为什么每周三在TA视频中,我谈论特斯拉SpaceX配对交易,这也是一个甜蜜的交易。
Uh for those of you in tax regimes like me, high tax regimes, it's difficult to sell things that have a very low cost basis and incur lots of taxes and pivot. Um so bear that in mind. If you're taxfree, you have a much better opportunity. That's why every Wednesday on the TA video, I talk about the Tesla SpaceX pair trade, which is a sweet one, too.
最重要的事情也要记住,什么可能毁掉你的退休数学。这些事情有时人们,信不信由你,甚至不考虑,但这是至关重要的。所以,每个人都假设,好吧,SpaceX将收购特斯拉,溢价将是40%到60%。
一切都会很好。但不,有事情可能破坏这一点。第一,如果溢价低于25%,即不是40%到60%,那会损害特斯拉股东。但如果确实低于25%,你知道特斯拉股东会对SpaceX说什么,他们会说“去你的。
我们不接受。”另外,如果交易是大量现金而不是股票,我也怀疑那会发生,因为他们需要现金来建造像Terraab和其他好东西。
And the most important thing as well to bear in mind is what could kill your retire on math. These are things that sometimes people, believe it or not, do not even consider, but it's critical. So, they everybody assumes, okay, uh SpaceX is going to acquire Tesla, it'll be a premium of 40 to 60%. And everything will be hunky dory. But no, there are things that could derail that. One, if the premium comes in under 25%, i.e. not 40 to 60%, that dings the Tesla shareholders. But if it does come in under 25%, you know what the Tesla shareholders will say to SpaceX, they'll say, "Go pound sand. We're not taking that." Also, if the deal is heavy cash instead of stock, I doubt that would happen as well because they need the cash to build things like Terraab and all the other good stuff.
嗯,现在另一个问题是,因为你确实提到出售一些你的SpaceX特斯拉来重新平衡到AI13,但记住如果你这样做,你可能会扼杀你的复利,这是达到你想要的位置的产品。在一个完美的世界里,你需要有多个退休投资组合。
你知道,确保现在的主要焦点是建立这些投资组合并持有这些头寸,如果你喜欢,可以在边缘交易,但建立那个大胖床垫,然后你可以开始,如果你开始提取,顺便说一下,在2027年到2028年,在Cyber Cab和Optimus的大自由现金流出现之前,提前出售的机会成本是巨大的。
所以,停止提取,好吗?在大东西到来之前不要剪掉投资组合。非常重要。你知道,今天忍受一点,为了未来的巨大回报。当一只股票从大约300美元涨到3000美元,那是10倍。你今天以300美元出售的每一股,比如说,是3000到5000到8000美元的未来价值。那是可怕的事情。
Um, now the other problem is if because you did mention selling some of your SpaceX Tesla to rebalance into the AI13, but remember if you do that, you can kill your compounding, which is the product to get to where you want to be. In a perfect world, you need to have multiple retireon bags. you know, make sure the big focus right now is building those bags and sitting on those positions and trading around the edges if you like, but build that big fat mattress and then you can start if you start withdrawing, by the way, in 2027 to 2028 before the big free cash flow shows up for Cyber Cab and Optimus, the opportunity cost of selling early is huge. So, stole the withdrawal, okay? Don't clip the bag before the big stuff comes. So important. You know, suffer a little today for the huge payoff in the future. When you have a share that goes from maybe 300 bucks to $3,000, that's a 10x. Every share you sell today for 300 bucks, say give or take, is $3,000 to $5,000 to $8,000 future value. That is the scary thing.
所以,我们也会对此做更多。如果有问题,请在下面留言。我刚才讲的内容很棘手,但这正是我对这次合并的思考方式,也是我对人们应该有的退休目标的思考方式。现在,我有,我几周前也在Patreon上分享过,我购买这些资产的层级。
记住,观察很多事情,等待东西落入你的陷阱,然后用双手抓住它们。
So, we'll do more on this as well. If there are questions, drop them below. It's tricky what I just walked through, but that's exactly the way I'm thinking about this merger and exactly the way I'm thinking about the retire on targets that people should have. And right now, I have, and I shared this as well on Patreon a couple weeks ago, my layers for where I buy these assets. Remember, watch many things, wait for stuff to fall into your traps, and then grab them with both hands.
下一个问题来自伯恩斯先生。嘿,伯恩斯先生,你好吗?嗯,我知道你对Anthropic的看法。然而,鉴于即将到来的IPO的可能需求,你能看到与SpaceX的任何联系,大于一万亿美元的AI有史以来最大的IPO等等,就短期SpaceX抛售而言,因为投资者追逐下一个闪亮玩具,这可能是堆积SpaceX的好时机。
Next question is from Mr. Burns. Hey Mr. Burns, how are you? Uh well aware of your thoughts on anthropic. However, given the likely demand for the upcoming IPO, could you see any linkage to SpaceX greater than a trillion AI new largest IPO ever, etc. in so far as short-term SpaceX selloff as investors chase the next shiny toy, which could be an excellent time to to stack SpaceX.
我喜欢你的思维方式。我喜欢你提前规划的方式。这非常聪明。你必须为这类事情做好准备,尤其是要有充足的弹药。这样你就能再次双手抓住它们。
I like the way you think. I like the way you're planning ahead. This is very clever. And you have to be prepared for these types of things, especially with dry powder. So you can grab them again with both hands.
让我们看几件事。首先,Anthropic 的 IPO,我们不知道它会以什么价格发行,但有传言说是两万亿。SpaceX 是 1.75 万亿。Dario 想在每个阶段都超越 Elon Musk。
SpaceX 筹集了 750 亿。我估计这些家伙,而且还有绿鞋机制,额外再加一点。我认为 Dario 可能至少需要筹集一千亿美元,因为他必须花很多钱租用基础设施来维持他的业务。这就是这两者之间的区别。
So let's look at a couple of things. First of all, anthropic uh IPO, we don't know what what is what it's going to go out at, but there's rumors of two trillion. Okay. SpaceX is 1.75 trillion. Dario wants to trump Elon Musk at every stage. Uh SpaceX raised 75 billion. I reckon these guys and there was a green shoe as well. Little extra on top on of that. I think Dario will probably need to raise a hundred billion dollars at least because he's got to spend so much in renting infra to keep his business alive. So that is the skinny between these two.
现在,同样重要的是,Anthropic 存在很多风险。他们没有我所说的硬实力。他们没有基础设施。他们本身没有护城河,他们面临激烈的前沿竞争,而且他们拥有零基础设施。记住,他们从 Google、AWS 和 SpaceX 等公司租用每一台 GPU。
如果我是 Dario,我的全部能力都依赖于他人,我会夜不能寐。我不会。
Now it's also important uh there's a lot of risk with anthropic. They don't have what I call hardness. They don't have infrastructure. They don't have moes per se and they f face fierce frontier competition and they own zero infra. Remember they rent every what and GPU from the likes of Google and AWS and SpaceX. If I was Dario and I have my entire capability dependent on others, I would not be able to sleep at night. I would not.
此外,他有妄想症。他说,或者据多个消息来源传言,他认为未来可能只有一家公司,那就是 Anthropic,然后只剩下政府实体。这是我听过的最反乌托邦的事情,相当令人毛骨悚然和可怕。
还有,向 David Shapiro 致敬。他认为 Dario 只是一个追求权力的自恋者。AI 安全只是他抓住的一个叙事。他试图与教皇和政府官员等人上床,以进行监管捕获等等。他在做的事情太疯狂了。
根据 David 的说法,他的记录糟糕透顶,他的行动胜于雄辩。记住,永远要言行一致。言语毫无意义。但最终要看行为和行动。Anthropic 的道德外衣正在崩塌。有些事情告诉我这可能是一个纸牌屋,尤其是当你看到他们现在仍在增长,但增长背后的基本面正在随着竞争和开源模型的加速而改变。
Also he has delusions of grandeur. He said uh or rumors to have said from multiple sources he believes the future could be just one company which would be anthropic and then just government entities. That is the most dystopian thing I've ever heard which is pretty creepy and scary. Also there are people shout out to David Shapiro. He thinks uh Daria is just a power seeking narcissist. AI safety is just a narrative he latched on to. He's trying to get in bed with people like the Pope and government officials for regulatory capture and everything. It's insane what he's doing. And according to David here, his track record is abysmal and his actions speak louder than words. Remember always words actions. Words are pretty meaningless. But watch the behavior and the actions at the end of the day. And the anthropic moral facade is crumbling. There are things that tell me it could be a house of cards, especially when you see yes, they're still growing now, but the fundamentals behind the growth are changing as the competition and the open source models ramp up as well.
现在,另一个简单的方法,我会关掉摄像头,这样你就能看到整个画面。这是我为 SpaceX 做的分部估值模型,很容易让我们达到 18.45 万亿。如果你还记得我之前做的组合,我不知道在哪张幻灯片,我想是第八张。
让我们回到第八张幻灯片。记住那个数字 18.545 万亿,在第八张幻灯片上我写了 18 万亿的组合,这还不包括特斯拉。这就是我保守估计的程度。记住这一点非常重要。现在让我们回去。所有这些数字都有意义。
Now, the other simple way I'll turn off my camera for this so you see the whole thing. This is my sum of the parts valuation model for SpaceX and easily gets us to 18.45 trillion. If you remember the combo that I had uh I don't know remember where it was slide uh I think it was slide eight. Let's go back to slide 8 for a second. Remember that number 18.545 trillion and on slide eight I had here 18 trillion combined sandbag that does not include Tesla. That's how much I've sandbagged it. Very important to remember that. Now let's go back. All these numbers make sense.
Anthropic,每个人都听说过,前沿模型的实际知识产权是模型的权重,它们都可以存储在一个 USB 拇指驱动器上,而 SpaceX,如果你看看他们拥有的所有东西,Elon Web Services、LM micro hard、Starlink、Starlink direct to cell、cellular things、X payments、X revenue、launch、NASA 政府合同,等等等等,现在他们还在建造 turbine、Colossus 1、Colossus 2,以及他们拥有的所有 GPU。
这太疯狂了。右边的东西极难复制。左边的东西则不然。这会让我非常非常紧张。
anthropic and everybody's heard this the actual intellectual property for a Frontier model are the weights of the model and they can all be stored on a USB thumb drive whereas SpaceX if you look at all they have the Elon Web Services the LM micro hard starlink Starlink direct to call cellular things X payments X revenue launch NASA government contracts goes on and on now they're building turbine uh Colossus 1, Colossus 2, all the GPUs they own. It's insane. The stuff on the right is extremely hard to replicate. The stuff on the left isn't. That would make me very, very nervous out there.
现在,策略,在 IPO 的情况下会发生什么?价格会下跌吗?会暴跌吗?我看不到有人会卖掉发电厂和火箭舰队去买一个权重可以装进拇指驱动器的聊天机器人。Anthropic 也有巨大的客户和合作伙伴集中度,包括 Amazon 和 Google。
如果 IPO 导致 SpaceX 下跌 10% 到 20%,那将是一份礼物。但我也怀疑这种情况会发生。可能有其他原因触发这种情况,但不是 Anthropic 的 IPO。记住,要筹集 1000 亿美元。
流动性很大。大约有 8 万亿美元闲置在现金中。很多人想退出其他东西。所以,我会感到惊讶。但我喜欢你的思维方式。谁知道呢?看起来 Dario 急于 IPO。我认为任何购买那个 IPO 的人都是傻瓜。
所以,在外面也要非常小心。再次,看看护城河。看看 TAM。这就是你投资时的秘密来源。
Now, strategy, what could happen in the event of an IPO? Could the price fall? Could it tank? I don't see anybody selling the power plant and the rocket fleet to buy a chatbot where the weights can be fitted on a thumb drive. Anthropic does have a massive customer and partner concentration as well with both Amazon and Google. And if an IPO were to take SpaceX down 10 to 20%. That would be a gift. But I also doubt that would happen. There could be other reasons to trigger that, but not anthropic IPO. And remember, $100 billion to raise. There's a lot of liquidity. There's like $8 trillion sitting on the sidelines in cash. A lot of people looking to get out of other stuff. So, you know, I would be surprised. But I like the way you think. Um, who knows? It seems like Dario is in a rush to IPO. Anybody that buys that IPO, I think, would be a fool. So, be very careful out there, too. Again, look at the moat. Look at the TAMs. That is the secret source of what you do when investing.
但如果它会快速增长,比如 100 美元行权价的长期期权和 SpaceX,我认为它们是无需思考的决定。
But if it's going to grow fast, like things like $100 strike leaps and SpaceX, I consider them a no-brainer.
我现在在干火药方面有点短缺,因为我一直在最近的回调中积极加仓特斯拉。
I'm a bit short in dry pattern now because I've been aggressively stacking Tesla in recent dips.
但问题是,据我所知,Elon Musk 已经获得了 Vera Rubin NBL72 供应的 30% 到 40%,因为他还需要它们用于太空和其他事情,而且他们正在共同设计它们。
But the problem is from what I've heard is Elon Musk has secured 30 to 40% of the entire Vera Rubin NBL72 supply because he also needs them for space and other things and they're co-designing them.
我在这里学到了很多,Nvidia 占我投资组合的 11%,特斯拉占 25%。你会使用备兑看涨期权作为减持你仍然相信的超配头寸的方式,还是直接卖出一些股票?
I've learned a ton here with Nvidia 11% and Tesla 25% of my portfolio. Would you use covered calls as the trim on an overweight name you still believe in or just sell some shares?
从我认为是 94、95 年开始,一直用备兑看涨期权。无论如何,它们非常适合减持,原因很简单,有三个。你卖出时得到报酬,而不是仅仅点击卖出按钮。你立即收取期权溢价,如果股票被叫走,你的有效销售价格是行权价加上你获得的溢价,这很棒。
Covered calls all day long from I think it was 94 95 onwards. Anyhow, they are great for trimming because very three very simple reasons. You get paid to sell instead of just hitting the sell button. you collect the option premium immediately and if the shares get called away, your effective sales price is the strike price plus the premium you pocketed, which is awesome.
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