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若边缘映射加速推进、且车队运营方的单位经济性被证明可行,Cybercab 的开箱式制造将带来高量产的上行空间。

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我们来拆解一下,特斯拉如何有可能以五倍的速度制造汽车,靠的是他们那款无箱式(unboxed)Cyber Cap 产品,它在奥斯汀发布后让我印象非常深刻。

Let's break down how Tesla could potentially achieve five times the speed of manufacturing cars with their unboxed Cyber Cap product, which I've been really impressed by with its launch in Austin.

所以,我们所做的就是通过 Cyber Cap 的发布,为特斯拉股票做了一份利弊对照表。但大约三年前、两年半前,我们做过一次采访,对象是方舟投资的 Brett,我们当时谈到了特斯拉无人驾驶出租车服务的未来,以及它可能是什么样子。

And so, what we've done is we've made a pros and cons sheet for Tesla stock via the Cyber Cap launch. but there's an interview that we did about 3 years two and a half years ago with Arc Invest's Brett and we talked about the future of the Tesla robo taxi service and what it would likely look like.

我认为回过头去深入看看当时的一些预期其实非常重要,因为那里面藏着一点对我们的警示。不过,这并没有让我对 CyberCap 的推出减少热情。

I think going back to dive into some of the expectations then is actually really important because there's a little warning inside of there for us. Now, that doesn't make me less excited about the CyberCap roll out.

它让我想起我在 2022 年的感受,当时我主张特斯拉应当竭尽全力复制粘贴他们的制造模式,只管卖出更多的特斯拉。

it reminds me of what I felt in 2022 when I argued that Tesla should do everything in their power to copy and paste their manufacturing and just sell more Teslas.

马斯克后来主张,他其实并不喜欢复制粘贴的模式。而我们注意到,这可能是因为 S 和 X 的销量下滑,Model 3 和 Y 在增长,但 Cybertruck 的发布也相当令人沮丧。

Elon later argued that he actually wasn't the fan of a copy and paste model. And what we noticed is that may have been because of declining sales in the S and the X, the Model 3 and Y were growing, but also a very kind of depressing launch of the Cybert truck.

车卖得不多。但话虽如此,它向其他人销售的情况,也许我是个怪人,愿意开 Cybertruck,但它向其他车辆买家的销售情况,并没有证明复制粘贴策略是合理的,也就是你想要大规模量产车辆的那种策略。

Not selling a lot of vehicles. But that said, the launch of its sales to other people, you know, maybe I'm a weirdo and willing to drive in the Cybert truck, but the launch of it sales to other vehicles just hasn't justified a copy and paste strategy where you want to mass manufacture vehicles.

不过,真正让我对 cyber cab 如此热情的是,cyber cab 有可能回到我在 2022 年的那种感受,当时我说:“我们可以大规模量产这个。让我们做到 1000 万辆的销量。

每个人都应该拥有它。把成本降下来,大规模量产。”

Now, what makes me so enthusiastic though about the cyber cab is that it's possible that the cyber cab could go back to what I felt in 2022 when I said, "We can mass manufacture this. Let's get to 10 million vehicle sales. Everybody should have these. Get the cost down and mass manufacture."

cyber cab 可能正是真正实现那个梦想的工具,不仅通过无箱式制造工艺,也通过这款车实际的实用性。现在说无箱式制造工艺,当我说我 2022 年的愿景时,说清楚一点,2022 年的愿景其实是我在参观 Giga Texas 之后产生的,当时我想,哇,我们可以把这件事规模化,我们可以复制粘贴这套制造工艺。

The cyber cab could be the tool that actually achieves that dream not only through the unboxed manufacturing process but through the actual utility of the vehicle. Now the unbox unboxed manufacturing process and when I say my 2022 vision just to be clear the 2022 vision was actually a vision that I had after visiting Giga Texas about wow we could scale this we can copy and paste these this this you know manufacturing process.

无箱式制造工艺其实是第三篇章(master plan 3)下一阶段的一部分。它的基本运作方式是,不再像这样组装一辆车,让它沿着装配线走,整辆车沿着这条很长的厂房慢慢滚动,一点点把各个部件装上去。

与此不同,我们将采用他们所说的无箱式(unboxed)工厂,不再让整辆车沿着产线移动,而是只让各个不同的部件沿着产线移动,然后像乐高一样把它们拼装在一起。

The unbox manufacturing process is actually part of master plan 3. next phase. And the way it essentially works is rather than assembling a car uh like this where it goes down an assembly line and the whole thing rolls down this very long facility and slowly gets all of its pieces added to it. Rather than that, we're going to utilize this what they call unboxed facility where rather than moving the entire car down the line, we're just going to move the various different components down the line and then puzzle it all together like Legos.

马斯克今天提到,无箱式制造工艺可以将车辆生产速度提升最多五倍。那意味着把 Model Y 平均每 45 秒下线一辆车的速度,降到大约 9 秒。

Elon today quotes that the unbox manufacturing process could accelerate vehicle production by up to five times. That would mean taking an average Model Y production of one vehicle every 45 seconds off of the line uh down to somewhere around 9 seconds.

目前有些人估计,虽然很难找到官方统计数据,但有些人估计,通过这种无箱式策略,他们有可能把每辆 cyber cap 的生产时间降到 5 秒。

And some people are estimating currently, though it's hard to find official statistics on this, but some people are estimating they could potentially get down to 5 seconds per cyber cap through this unbox strategy.

他们称其空间和时间效率提高了 30%,主要是因为装配线尺寸缩小了约 50%。当然,我们还得验证这一点。我们马上会在风险部分谈到这个。

And they call it 30% more space time efficient, mostly because the assembly line is about 50% smaller in size. And of course, we still got to prove this out. We'll talk about that in risks in just a moment.

但核心思路是,如果你能以五倍的速度制造这些车辆,你就有可能以更高的运营效率生产出五倍数量的车辆。而这正是你可以在2023年看到的地方,他们当时不仅呼吁更小的占地面积,还可能实现50%的成本下降,这将转化为特斯拉利润率的提升,这非常令人兴奋。

But the idea is that if you could manufacture these vehicles five times as fast, you could potentially produce five times as many of them with more operating efficiencies. And that's where you could see here in 2023, they were calling for not only smaller footprints, uh, but also potentially a 50% reduction in cost, which would translate to an increase in margins for Tesla, which is very exciting.

当然,我们还有关于cyber cab不使用稀土的公告。这是2023年总体规划的一部分。这件事已经酝酿很久了。我们得到这类总体规划信息,已经是三年前、三年半前的事了。

Uh, of course, we also had the announcement about no rare earths in the cyber cab. This was something that was part of master plan 2023. Now, it's been a long time coming. This was 3 years ago now, 3 and a half years ago that we got this sort of master plan information.

那么,我们现在处于什么位置?我们现在所处的阶段是,人们开始预测围绕你能多快让一辆车下线——每10秒一辆——会产生巨大的热情。理论上长期是每5秒一辆。

So, where do we sit now? Well, now we sit in a place where people are starting to forecast massive enthusiasm around how quickly you could run one off the line, one off in every 10 seconds. theoretical long-term one in every 5 seconds.

因此,现在有人预测,Cyber Cab通过unboxed策略,每年可以生产大约200万到300万辆,在5秒的周期下甚至可能达到每年500万辆。

You've got people therefore now projecting that the Cyber Cap via an unboxed strategy could go and annually produce somewhere around 2 to 3 million units a year, maybe even up to 5 million units a year at a 5second cycle.

这显然改变了投资特斯拉股票的动态,因为对我来说,它一直关乎的是大规模制造汽车。它一直关乎的是让这些车尽可能多地进入人们手中。成为下一个丰田,让你每年能卖出2000万辆车,因为你拥有最便宜的车、最安全的车、最可靠的车。

This obviously changes the dynamics for investing in Tesla stock because to me it's always been about mass manufacturing the cars. It's always been about get these cars into as many hands as humanly possible. Be the next Toyota where you could sell 20 million vehicles a year because you have the cheapest vehicle, the safest vehicle, the most reliable vehicle.

一旦你把所有这些组合起来,你就能获得非常好的销量。我认为这就是丰田做得如此出色的原因。高质量、高安全性、合理的成本。

Once you combine all those packages, you you get really good sales. This is I think how Toyota has cheap done so well. High quality, high safety, reasonable cost.

要与丰田竞争,唯一的办法就是在这三个核心要素上竞争。而Cybercab或许能够做到这一点。与此相关存在一些风险。我们来谈谈这些风险,然后我们再谈谈一些定价预测,以及ARC提到的内容,还有关于cyber cab的警告是什么。

The only way you can compete with Toyota is by competing on those three core components. And the Cybercap might be able to pull that off. Some risks associated with it. Let's talk about those and then we'll talk about uh some pricing projections as well as what ARC mentioned and what the warning was about the cyber cap.

回到我们三年前做的那次采访,这真的非常令人兴奋。那么,我们来看看利弊。这是我做的利弊对照表。

Going back to the interview that we did three years ago, it's really exciting. So, let's look at the pros and cons. So, here's the pros and cons table that I made.

第一点是5到10秒的周期时间,生产速度快五倍。弊端是我们真的能扩展到那种速度吗?如果理论上的长期目标是快5倍,有可能达到每辆车5到9秒、5到10秒。我们真的能通过unbox流程实现这一点吗?这尚未经过验证。

Uh the first thing 5 to 10 second cycle time, five times faster production. The con is can we actually scale to that speed? If the theoretical long-term is 5x faster, potentially getting to, you know, 5 to 9, 5 to 10 seconds per vehicle. Uh can we actually get there through the unbox process? That's untested.

我实际上认为他们很有可能实现这一点,因为尽管这听起来非常快,但我不觉得有那么不合理。看看Model Y产线的数学计算。请记住特斯拉有这方面的经验,但看看Model Y产线的数学计算。

I actually think there's a good chance they can achieve this because even though that sounds really fast, I don't think it's that unreasonable. Look at a the math from a Model Y line. And keep in mind that Tesla has the experience, but look at the math for a Model Y line.

希望我没算错。365天乘以每天24小时,乘以每小时60分钟,乘以每小时60秒,再除以每辆车45秒的生产时间,得出每年约70万辆车。

Hopefully I did this right. 365 days times 24 hours in a day times uh 60 minutes per hour times 60 seconds in an hour divided by 45 seconds per production gets me about 700,000 vehicles per year.

但这听起来是合理的。如果我有两条产线,那就是 140 万辆车,对吧?所以这听起来其实是比较准确的。所以,如果我能把这个数字乘以 5 倍,那就意味着我每年大约能生产 350 万辆 cyber cab。

But that sounds reasonable. You know, if I've got two lines, that's 1.4 million vehicles, right? So that actually sounds relatively accurate. So, if I could 5x that, that would mean I could get to about three and a half million vehicles produced of cyber cabs per year.

我其实认为生产不会是问题。我认为他们能做到这一点,因为即使他们的节拍时间是 20 秒,也就是快一倍,或者坦白说即使节拍时间一样,那也无所谓。那就再加一条产线,只要你能从这辆车上赚到利润就行。

I actually think the production is not going to be the problem. I think they could pull this off because even if they had a cycle time that was 20 seconds, so you know, twice as fast or frankly even if the cycle times were the same, it doesn't matter. Then just have another line as long as you're getting the margin out of the vehicle.

我并不太担心我们能多快生产出来。是的。如果我们能更快地生产,那就是利润的额外上行空间。很好。成本更低。时间就是金钱,这一点我们都清楚。

I'm not really worried about how fast we could produce them. Yes. If we can produce them faster, that's more upside to margin. Great. Lower cost. Time is money. We all know that.

总之,规模化启动的那一刻,正是人们把对 Tesla 股票最狂热的热情计入价格的时刻,因为那时前景就不可限量了。

Anyway, uh the start of scaling is the moment where people price in their most rapid enthusiasm for Tesla stock because then the sky is the limit.

最终我们会到达 S 曲线的某种终点,到那时就是,好吧,我们会稳定在每 20 秒一辆或每 30 秒一辆,随便多少,我觉得那部分并不重要,因为我认为他们有经验,我也不怀疑 Tesla 有能力做到这一点。

eventually we'll hit some kind of end of the S curve where it's like all right we're going to settle around one every 20 seconds or one every 30 seconds whatever I don't think that part matters because I think they've got the experience and I don't doubt Tesla's ability to do that

让我不那么担心的是,当这些 cyber cab 真正开始上规模时,我们会看到利润率开始增长,不是立刻,它们在爬坡初期会先拖累利润率。

what makes me nor more concerned is we're going to see margins start growing when these cyber cabs really start getting to scale not immediately they'll hurt margins at first as they're scaling

你会看到利润率逐步攀升,cyber cab 的影响将有助于提升 Tesla 整个车队的利润率。那么问题就在于,我们能在提升这些利润率上走多远?这将取决于销量的增长,而我们只有在完成 edge mapping 之后才能增长销量。

you see the ramp of margins coming up the impact of cyber cabs will help lift margins across Tesla's fleet. And then the question will be how long can we go with lifting those margins? That's going to be dependent on volumes growing, which we can only grow volumes when we finish edge mapping.

所以我的论点是,edge mapping 很可能是 Tesla 最关键的因素之一。

So my thesis is edge mapping is probably one of the most critical factors for Tesla.

我们在另一个视频里谈过这个,但基本上核心问题是,完成 edge map 需要多长时间?所以这不像扫描整座城市并把它绘制成地图。它是把这座城市里所有的边缘案例场景都过一遍。所以可以说它有点像轻量版的地图绘制。

We've talked about this in another video, but basically the bottom line is how long is it going to take to edge map? So this is not like scanning the whole city and mapping it. It's going through all the edge case scenarios in that city. So it's sort of like mapping light if you will.

在 Austin 做 edge mapping 花了大约一年时间。我们能不能把它缩短到每座城市六个月、每座城市三个月、每座城市一个月?我不知道。我们必须解决的关键问题就是,我们能多快完成 edge。

Edge mapping took Austin or it took about one year to edge map in Austin. Can we get that down to six months per city, three months per city, one month per city? I don't know. That is the critical thing that we have to solve is how fast can we edge.

好,我们想走完 edging 阶段,我们想达到完成状态。一旦 FSD 达到完成状态,我们就能真正大规模销售这些车辆,那么长期能卖出多少销量的问题,就不再取决于制造或完全自动驾驶,而是取决于盈利能力。

Okay, we want to get through the edging phase and we want to get to completion. Once FSD gets to completion and we could really sell these vehicles at scale, then the question of how many volumes we can sell long term isn't going to come down to manufacturing or full self-driving. It's going to come down to profitability.

而这里有很多未知变量。那么让我们假设,从长期平均来看,如果你每年卖出 350 万辆这样的车,我们最终把每次行程的价值压缩到每英里 1 美元。

And this is where there are a lot of unknown variables. So let's assume that in the long-term average, if you're selling three and a half million of these vehicles a year, we end up compressing the value per ride to $1 per mile.

目前的 Uber 大约是每英里 1 到 2 美元。只有 3,700 辆 Whimo 在运营,而且主要集中在人口密集的城市。所以它们的每英里成本要高得多,但我认为那是因为它们的数量有限。

存在一种新奇效应。而且它们都在大城市里。在 Santa Monica 开一英里可能就要花你一个小时。这不像在 Texas 开一英里高速公路,对吧?

The current Uber, you know, runs about $1 to $2 per mile. There are only 3,700 Whimos that operate primarily in dense cities. So their cost per mile is much higher, but I think that's because there's a limited quantity of them. There's a novelty effect. And they're in big cities. You know, if you're driving a mile in Santa Monica could potentially take you an hour. It's not like driving a a highway mile as in Texas, right?

所以如果我们现在引入 350 万辆,比如说,robo cap,我们就会把这个压缩到 1 美元或更低。

So if we now introduce three and a half million, let's say, robo caps, we're going to compress this to a dollar or less.

这就是我们遇到一些潜在问题的地方,因为如果我们要在充电上每英里花大约30美分,清洁和磨损算它5美分,保险算它10美分,我认为保险将由特斯拉提供。我不认为其他保险公司有能力承保,而且说实话特斯拉应该赚取这部分利润,因为我认为这些车会非常安全。

That's where we run into some potential problems because if we're going to spend about 30 cents per mile on charging, call it 5 cents for cleaning and wear and tear, call it 10 cents for insurance, I think that insurance will be provided by Tesla. I don't think other insurance carriers will be able to underwrite it and Tesla should honestly take the profits on it because I I think the cars will be very safe.

这样你就剩下每英里55美分的潜在毛利润。所以,我想做的是算一算,用只付息贷款买10辆这样的车要花多少钱。10辆这样的车,每辆35,000美元,用只付息贷款,这就是我认为最终会出现的价格。

That leaves you with a potential gross profit of 55 cents per mile. So, what I wanted to do is figure out what would it cost on an interestonly loan to buy 10 of these. An intereston loan on 10 of these for $35,000 a piece, which is what I think the price will end up being.

我是通过给25,000美元的车加上大约35%的通胀得出这个数的。所以,你仍然有那辆25,000美元的车,但在所有新冠印钞之后加上20%或35%的通胀,你就到了大约33,750。

所以,算它34,900,这就是这些东西会卖的价格。这是我的猜测。而且说实话,说它是一辆经通胀调整后25,000美元的车是合理的。

I get there by adding about 35% inflation to the $25,000 car. So, you still have the $25,000 car, but with 20 or 35% inflation after all the COVID money printing, you're at about 33750. So, call it 349 is what these things will sell for. That would be my guess. And it' honestly be reasonable to say it's an inflationadjusted $25,000 car.

但不管怎样,这些车得给我赚钱。如果我以7%的利率去融资买这些车,希望利率能降下来,对吧?这就是为什么我们说特斯拉确实有一些对利率敏感的风险。

But anyway, these vehicles need to crank me money. If I go finance these at 7% interest, hopefully rates come down, right? This is why we argue Tesla does have some interest rate sensitive risks to it.

但现在我的单位经济是这样的:按年计算,那笔只付息贷款上的固定成本大约是20,000美元。每辆车大约是18,300美元用于贷款加上FSD,后者是一项订阅服务。你知道,算它一年两万。

But now my unit economics are such that on an annual basis, my fixed costs on that interestonly loan are going to be about $20,000. It's about $18,300 for the loan plus FSD for each of those vehicles, which is a subscription. You know, call it 20 grand a year.

所以,除以12。把它加到利息成本上。这是在不偿还本金的情况下,对吧?不偿还本金。哦,看。在不偿还本金的情况下,呃,20,000美元的成本。

So, divided by 12. Add that to the cost of interest. That's with no principal payown, right? No principal pay down. Oh, look. Pee. With no principal payown, uh $20,000 in cost.

在这些可变成本之后,我的潜在毛利润大约是55美分,假设每英里一美元,对吧?我现在得打平,我得覆盖我的固定成本。所以要用55的毛利润覆盖20,000美元的固定成本,我需要开36,000英里。

这是每月。这意味着每辆车我每月需要开3,600英里,也就是平均每天121英里,如果它们能24/7运营,这听起来真的很合理,但它们不能24/7运营,因为我们得给它们充电和清洁。

My potential gross profit after these sort of variable costs is about 55 cents assuming a dollar per mile, right? I got to break now I got to cover my fixed cost. So to cover $20,000 of fixed cost with gross profit of 55 I need to drive 36,000 miles. That's per month. That means per car I need to drive 3600 miles per month, which is an average of 121 miles per day, which sounds really reasonable if they can operate 24/7, but they can't operate 24/7 because we got to charge and clean them.

这就是我们得出每天平均Whimo行程数的地方,这是我们目前唯一的参照。也许特斯拉会高效得多,但我们目前平均Whimo的参照是,一辆平均Whimo每天大约做18.4次行程。

And this is where we get to an average Whimo ride per day as our only comp right now. Maybe Teslas will be a whole lot more efficient, but our average Whimo comp right now is that an average Whimo does about 18.4 rides per day.

现在,公平地说,也许那是因为它在城市里。我不知道。但这危险地接近我们这里的盈亏平衡点。20次行程,按Uber平均6英里的距离,Uber平均行程是6英里,呃,这意味着我们的盈亏平衡大约是20。

每天超过20次行程我们才开始赚钱。所以我们需要比Whimo更高效才能开始盈利。需要超过Whimo的效率。

Now, in fairness, maybe that's because it's in a city. I don't know. But that's dangerously close to the break even that we have here. 20 rides at an average Uber distance of 6 miles on average. Average Uber ride is 6 milesi on average. Uh which means our break even is about 20. We start making money after 20 rides per day. So we need to be more efficient than Whimo to start profiting. Need to beat Whimo efficiency.

但即使我们开始超过Whimo的效率,我认为我们会做到,如果这个压缩了,这个每英里一美元的参照压缩了,我是说,它可能更高。一开始会更高,但如果它压缩了,那会扼杀我们在Cybercab销量上产生规模的能力。

But even if we start beating Whimo efficiency, which I think we will do, if this compresses, this $1 per mile compresses, I mean, it could be more. It'll be more initially, but if that compresses, that's going to kill our ability to generate volumes on on uh cyber cap sales.

所以这表明,从长远来看,要让特斯拉的销量真正持续增长,你需要有一个对车主来说说得通的商业案例。特斯拉投资者要看的变量将是机器人出租车每英里能收多少钱。每英里一美元是你至少要达到的平均水平。

你超过一美元越多,就越好。你低于一美元越多,你最终面临特斯拉销量不及预期的风险就越大。

So that suggests that in the long run for volumes to really keep growing at Tesla, you need to have a business case that makes sense for a business owner. And the variables for a Tesla investor to look at are going to be what can be charged on a robo taxi per mile. A dollar per mile is what you want to average out at at bare minimum. The more you grow above a dollar, the better it is. the more you fall below a dollar, the more of a risk you end up with Tesla sales missing.

呃,然后当我们真正看呃贷款回收期时,你知道,这是在不偿还本金的情况下,我们需要超过今天机器人出租车正在做的平均水平。我认为我们可以,但即使我们现在把这个翻倍,我们也只是回到偿还本金的水平。

Uh and then when we actually look at uh the the loan payback periods, you know, this is without principal payown, we need to beat the averages that robo taxes are doing today. I think we can, but even if we double this now, we're only getting back to paying back principal.

现在,公平地说,你有一个税收优惠,这是我认为会增加特斯拉利润率的重要因素。我认为特斯拉有可能回到30%的毛利率,因为他们能够把这辆车卖给一个能够把整件事作为业务支出全额抵扣的人,这要归功于唐纳德·特朗普的资本支出100%税收抵扣。

Now, in fairness, you got a tax benefit, and that's the big element that I think adds to margins at Tesla. I think Tesla could potentially get back to 30% gross margins because they're able to sell this vehicle to somebody who's able to write the whole thing off as a business expense thanks to Donald Trump's capital expenditures being 100% tax write-offs.

这就是特斯拉真正的潜力所在。但它确实让我们对风险有了更清晰的认识。风险一,每英里的收益。风险二是,即使我们实现了这种拆箱策略,我们实际能卖多少辆?我们实际能卖给多少车队运营商?

还是我们直接向消费者开放,对吧?每个人都想要自己的。那可能是更好的策略。但那样你能以35,000美元卖它吗?大概不能,因为它是两门车,配两座呃你知道的布局,这对大多数人来说不实用。所以把它卖给消费者会更难。

That's where the real potential is for Tesla. But it does give us some more clarity on the risks. Risk number one, benefit per mile. Risk number two is even if we get to this unboxing strategy, how many of these can we actually sell? How many fleet operators can we actually sell to? Or we just open this up to consumers, right? Everybody wanting their own. That might be the better strategy. But then can you sell it for $35,000? Probably not because it's a twodoor vehicle with a two seat uh you know setup and that's not going to be functional for most people. So it's going to be harder to sell that to a consumer.

这就是我们遇到时机问题的地方,也就是被提出的那个问题。呃就在这里,在与呃Arcs Brett的采访中。>> 出租车基本上超过两个人坐一辆出租车,呃而且你真的很喜欢车。我是说,人们会喜欢两座机器人出租车吗?

座位数重要吗?记住,这是拥有一辆车与租一辆车的想法,这是我们谈过的。

And that's where we get to the timing issue which is what was brought up. uh right here in the interview with uh Arcs Brett. >> Taxis above basically two people in a taxi uh and you're really into cars. I mean, are people going to be into two seat robo taxi? Does it matter how many seats there are? And remember, this is the idea of owning a car is what we talked about versus renting a car.

这正如我们刚才说的。嘿,人们会想买一辆两座车吗?大概不会。你会坐进去吗?大概会。

And this is just as we just said. Hey, are people going to want to buy a 2C car? Probably not. Will you ride in one? Probably.

我认为,从总体思路来看,这也是我们的电池分析师Sam Cororus和我一直在大量讨论的问题,那就是特斯拉robotaxi的最优策略很可能是一款双门车型。可能是四个座位,但实际上更像是一款两座车型。

>> I mean, I think from a the the general idea, and this is uh something that Sam Cororus, who's our batteries analyst, and I have been discussing a lot, is that probably optimum strategy for Tesla uh for uh robo taxi is a two-door vehicle. Might be four seats, but it's really like a two seat vehicle.

说对了。因为如果你能为你的车辆提供robotaxi服务,你就想最小化制造成本并最大化单位销量,这样你基本上就能最大化出行流动性,也就是最大化你能服务的市场数量,并最大化你的数据获取速率。

Nailed it. Um because like >> Good job, Brett. If you're if you can deliver robo taxi service to your vehicles, you want to minimize your manufacturing cost and maximize your unit volume so you can basically maximize ride liquidity like maximize the number of places markets that you can service and maximize your data intake rate.

所以,我认为这还是在他们仍在考虑由特斯拉拥有整个车队的时候。我个人认为他们会把这一切都外包出去。所有低利润的东西都交给分包商。让他们享受税收优惠。特斯拉提前拿走利润。这就是我的论点。

>> So, and and I think this is back when they were still thinking about, you know, Tesla owning all of the fleet. >> I personally think they subcontract it all out. All the low margin stuff goes to the subcontractors. let them take the tax benefit. Tesla takes the profits up front. That's my thesis.

四门车的成本并不是双门车的两倍,这一点并不成立,但它的成本肯定高于双门车。

>> It's not, you know, it's not true that like a four-door vehicle costs twice as much as a two-door vehicle, but it definitely costs more than a twodoor vehicle.

好。所以,在我看来,他们为robotaxi开发的平台很可能是一款双门汽车。问题在于,如果有些人不相信robotaxi是可能的,而他们发现特斯拉下一款2.5万美元的汽车是双门车,传统分析师就会得出结论:双门车没有市场。就像没有

All right. So, um it seems likely to me that the platform they developed for robo taxi is a twodoor car. The the issue is if um somebody doesn't believe that robo taxi is possible and they find out Tesla's nextg $25,000 car is a twodoor car, uh traditional analysts will conclude, well, there's no market for twodoor cars. Like there's no

就像没有——对,这是一个重要的警告,因为它与我刚才所说的相符。你需要来自车队运营商的需​​求,他们将成为企业主,会去审视Robocap的单位经济效益。如果单位经济效益不合理,你的买家群体就会缩小。

而这时人们就会说:“好吧,谁会买cyber cap自己用呢?”嗯,有些人会为了好玩或运动之类的去买,这很酷,但大多数人不会。所以,这是一个重要的警告。到目前为止,Brett关于双门的说法是对的。

我认为他关于这个警告的说法也是对的。它必须对最终买家来说合理。

Like there's no >> right, this is an important warning because it aligns with what I just said. You need demand from fleet operators who are going to be business owners who are going to look at the unit economics of a Robocap. If the unit economics don't make sense, your buyer pool diminishes. And that's where then people say, "Okay, well, who's going to buy the cyber cap to use themselves?" Well, some people will for fun or sport or whatever, and it's cool, but most people won't. So, that's an important warning. So far, Brett was right about two doors. And I think he's right about this warning as well. It has to make sense for the end buyer.

本田思域并不是双门的。那是一辆四门车。他们会得出结论:哦,你不能——如果你不相信robotaxi,这实际上会扼杀这款车的销售需求。

>> Mass, you know, it's not like the Honda Civic is two doors. That's a four-door vehicle. And they'll conclude that oh, you can't like this will actually kill the sales demand for the vehicle if you don't believe in robo taxi.

现在,第一,我认为特斯拉进入的每一个市场,实际上都是此前并不真正存在的市场。比如当他们推出Model X时,那个价位的SUV甚至都不存在,对吧?而且实际上他们把人们向上推向更高端的市场。

有一些——并且有意义地扩大了品类,比如有一个社区电动车品类,它处于潜伏状态。还有像smart这样的车,你知道,很有趣,除非你在一堆SUV中间开,那你可能会在路上被压扁。嗯,我怀疑,即使是robotaxi之外,特斯拉推出一款2.5万美元的汽车,如果它是双门的,实际上会卖得相当好。

Now, one, I think that every market that Tesla's entered into has been a market that didn't actually really previously exist. as in when they launched the Model X even like SUVs at that price point were not a thing, right? And and actually they move people up market into it. There are kind of uh and in and expanded the category meaningfully like there is like a neighborhood electric vehicle category that's lying nent. There's like smart cars that you know are fun except if you're driving around with a bunch of SUVs, you might get like panc on the road. Um, and I suspect that kind of like even ex robo taxi Tesla launching a $25,000 vehicle if it has two doors will actually sell like quite well.

嗯,但你知道,我们的预期是robotaxi基本上会在今年或明年商业化。然后那——那是另一个警告,这段视频是在2024年初拍摄的。当时的论点是它会在2024年、2025年商业化。

我们现在已经是2026年底了,老兄。而我们还没有实现商业化。这是另一个警告。所以,不仅仅是最终买家的问题,还有时间的问题。

Um, but you know, our expectation is robo taxi will commercialize basically this year or next year. And then that that >> that was another warning that was this was filmed at the beginning of 2024. The argument was that it would commercialize 2024 2025. We're at the end of 2026, man. And and we're not at commercialization yet. That's another warning. So, it's not just the end buyer, it's time.

商业化事件将会改变特斯拉的经济状况,然后它将会——具体体现在利润率上。完全同意它会改变经济状况。我认为他们认为,因为特斯拉会继续维护和驾驶这些车。我认为因为他们会出售这些车,

>> Commercialization event will, you know, transform the economics of Tesla and then it will >> ex on margins specifically. Completely agree that it'll transform the economics. I think they think because Tesla's going to keep maintaining and driving the cars. I think because they're gonna sell them,

你知道,嗯,意味着那种大众市场类型的车辆可能甚至不会以实质性的方式卖给个人。它是由那些试图将其作为robotaxi网络一部分来运营的运营商购买的,然后即使是两座车,你也能满足robotaxi和网约车90%以上的需求。

>> you know, um mean that that kind of mass market type vehicle is probably not even being sold into individuals in a material way. It's being acquired by operators who are trying to operate it as part of a robo taxi network and then with a two two even a two seat vehicle you can make you can meet more than 90% of the demand for kind of robo taxi and ride hail.

嗯——完全同意,而这正是单位经济效益必须合理的地方。嗯,我认为随着利率下降,它们或许有望合理,但你无法逃脱这件事对利率的敏感性,因为我认为很多车队运营商最终会通过融资来购买这些车。

um >> what totally agree and that is exactly where the EU net economics have to make sense. Uh and I think they they might hopefully as rates come down but you don't escape the rate sensitivity of this because I think a lot of fleet operators are going to end up financing this.

所以这里有很多东西需要拆解,但我认为底线是,当我们对特斯拉做预测时,你知道,当我们说这只股票的牛市情形是每股775美元,你知道,在2030年底,那并不包括Optimus的收入。

我特意把它设为零,也特意把半挂卡车设为零。我不是说他们不会从这些东西上赚钱。我只是试图保持保守。

So there's a lot to unpackage here, but I think the bottom line is when we go to a forecast on Tesla, you know, when we say that the bull case uh for this this stock is $775 per share, you know, at the end of 2030, that does not include Optimus revenue. I purposely set that to zero and I purposefully set semi-truckss to zero. I'm not saying they're not going to make money from those things. I'm just trying to be conservative.

你知道,如果我投入十亿美元,或者我把15亿美元放回这里。等一下。让我——我们干脆——我不知道。我们在这里选一个数字吧。如果我回去,往这里扔15亿美元,再为特斯拉机器人扔15亿美元,我们快速说一下,你知道,现在突然之间我们就能到800美元,对吧?

You know, if I go put a billion bucks or I'll put 1.5 billion dollars back into here. Hold on a sec. Let me um let's just I don't know. Let's pick uh a number over here. If I go back in and I throw $1.5 billion in here and I throw $ 1.5 billion in for the Tesla bot, let's just say really quick, you know, now all of a sudden we could get to 800 bucks, right?

所以这实际上并不是那么大的推动因素,因为这条顶线30%的利润率才是大的推动因素。cyber cap才是未来十年赚钱的地方。利弊很清楚。经济效益必须合理。每英里成本必须合理。而这一切都从第一点开始,那就是边缘案例映射。永远从边缘案例开始。

So that's not actually that big of a mover because a 30% margin on this top line, that's the big mover. The cyber cap is where the Dalah halas are for the next decade. And the pros and cons are clear. The economics have to make sense. The cost per mile has to make sense. And it all starts with number one, which is edge case mapping. Always start by edging.

他说在等什么

新城市中边缘地图绘制完成的速度
从每座城市一年缩短至数月
未来几个季度Tesla 财报电话会议或官方公告
绘制速度加快支持其销量论点;延迟则削弱该论点
每辆 Cybercab 日均接单量
超过 Waymo 约 18.4 单/天的基准
商业化之后行业数据或 Tesla 披露
利用率更高支持其盈利性;利用率更低则削弱其商业逻辑

这个频道对 $TSLA 的历次判断

Meet Kevin 在这只股票上共 10 条判断,这里只列相邻的几条。

2026-09-09看涨本条
我们来拆解一下,特斯拉如何有可能以五倍的速度制造汽车,靠的是他们那款无箱式(unboxed)Cyber Cap 产品,它在奥斯汀发布后让我印象非常深刻。
2026-09-08
我认为特斯拉即将彻底摧毁优步。
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