AAPL 目前估值偏高,但凭借产品反响强劲、定价能力以及未来内存成本下降带来的利润率扩张,仍有约 50% 的上涨空间。
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苹果股票现在跌了大约 1%,发布会这边刚结束。你能看到那种典型的波动。发布会当天股票下跌并不罕见。几乎每次都这样。这也是我们今天早上在 alpha 报告里说的。我们说,兄弟,它每次都跌。没有保证,但之后它每次都跌。
We're down about 1% right now on Apple stock event finishing here. You could see the typical kind of volatility. Not unusual that on event day the stock goes down. It pretty much happens every time. And that's also what we said in the alpha report this morning. We're like, bro, it's it goes down every time. [laughter] No guarantees, but it goes down every time afterwards.
我要说的是,它看起来非常相似,而且价格点和三星 Galaxy Zfold 一样。所以,我们将会看到它是否在这个市场上正面交锋。
I will say it looks very similar and is at the same price point as the Samsung Galaxy Zfold. So, we're going to see whether or not uh this goes head-to-head in that market.
这次发布会最大的收获之一,就是苹果这次发布走得有多高端。这一代最新的 iPhone,你没法用低于 1,200 美元的价格买到。我们只拿到了 18 Pro 和 18 Pro Max。
这完全背离了过去的策略,过去你至少有一个基础款,可以以一个你可以进入的新价格点进入。
One of the biggest takeaways from this event is just how I high-end Apple has gone with this launch. You cannot buy an iPhone in terms of this latest generation for less than $1,200. We only got the 18 Pro and the 18 Pro Max. That is a total departure from past strategy where you've at least had this baseline model where you can enter in uh you know a new price point to enter.
所以很明显,是想通过把人们逼向这些更高档位,来弥补内存带来的部分利润率挤压。我们以前见过这家公司这么做,要么淘汰一个更低内存的选项,要么直接让你从更高的基础配置起步,而这正是我们现在看到的。
So clearly looking to make up for some of the margin squeeze with memory by kind of forcing people into these higher tiers. We've seen the company do this before kind of uh either phasing out a lower memory option or just starting you at a higher baseline and that's certainly what we are seeing here.
就股票而言,我要说的是,反应不太好。仍然下跌约 1%。部分原因可能也是 18 Pro 和 18 Pro Max 没有把价格提得更高。每款只涨了 100 美元。我们看到 Mac 和 iPad 涨价 20% 时,基本上都已经提前消化并得到了回报。
所以我不得不怀疑,股东是不是希望消费者多承担一些。
Uh and what I will say in terms of the stock not a great reaction. still down around 1%. Part of that might also be that the 18 Pro and the 18 Pro Max uh didn't hike the price more. It was only $100 per model. We saw all pretty much already priced in rewarded when we saw 20% hikes to the Mac and the iPad. So, I have to wonder if if uh if shareholders were looking for a little bit more of the consumer to take that on.
我唯一还想说的是,我们几周前谈到的苹果那个升级租赁计划,在你看到这款新折叠屏手机接近 2,000 美元的入门价格时,肯定会派上用场。
Only other thing I would say is that Apple upgrade that leasing program we were talking about a few uh weeks ago certainly going to be coming in handy as you look at a two nearly $2,000 uh entering price for this new foldable phone.
那就是你该不该买它,以及这最终会对苹果的股票产生什么影响?关于苹果股票,我们先把话说清楚。我不是想推销这只股票。我想我只在我的退休账户里有苹果的敞口。它甚至不在我的主要投资组合或主要敞口里。这里完全透明。
That's should you buy it and ultimately what is this going to do to Apple's stock? let's be very clear just upfront about Apple stock. I'm not trying to shill this stock. I think I only have exposure to Apple in my retirement account. It's not even in my main portfolio or my main exposures. This is like a just fully transparent here.
这只股票在这些发布会上总是下跌。不要根据当天的股价走势来评判发布会。那是新手的错误。所有已经进场的交易员早就靠传闻把利润最大化了,现在他们得套现。所以,旧闻了。所以,你通常会在这种发布会前几周看到一波上涨,苹果股票确实有过,你知道,股价走势。
如果你去看那些日子,你会看到股价的峰值实际上就是 Leopold 被平仓的那天,我们再也没有回到那个水平。那不过是五周前。
This stock always goes down on these events. That don't judge the event based on the stock movement during the day. That's a novice mistake. All the traders who got into it already got maximized out on rumors and now they got to cash out. So, old news. So, you usually get a pop a few weeks before an event like this, which you actually did have in the Apple stock uh you know, share price movement. If you go look at the days out, you could see the peak of the stock was actually the day Leopold got liquidated and we never made it back to that. That was just five weeks ago.
我不是想拉抬苹果股票。
I'm not trying to pump Apple stock.
苹果刚刚把他们彻底击溃了。我觉得他们是想用去年的销售额来 IPO,因为他们怀疑苹果即将把他们干掉。苹果现在推出的东西完全一样,心率感应的间隔也完全一样。
Apple just destroyed them. I think they're trying to IPO using their last year's sales because they suspected that Apple was about to kill them. Apple is now coming out with exactly the same thing at exactly the same interval of heart rate sensing.
所以,你现在基本上是在扼杀 Whoop 和 Aura 可穿戴设备的功能,比如更好的睡眠追踪、准备度追踪、压力追踪,以及心率变异性,这些正是新手表所纳入的变量。
So, you're kind of now killing the Whoop and the Aura wearable functionality of better sleep tracking, readiness tracking, stress tracking, uh, and heart rate variability, which is what goes into these variables with the new watch.
和往常一样,苹果可能会把这一切都做得更好。
as usual Apple will probably do it all better.
那么,这对股票有什么影响?股票本身并不便宜。它相对昂贵,而在我看来,它被推高到这种昂贵档位的原因之一,如果你愿意这么说的话。它的市盈率与增长比是 3.69,分析师预期未来四年平均增长约 9.5%。
你知道,它的市盈率与增长比超过 3。未来的市盈率超过 30,而增长低于 10。两者一除,就是超过 3 的市盈率与增长比。相对于你能买到的其他公司,这很贵。
Now, how does this affect the stock? So, the stock itself is not cheap. It's relatively pricey, and one of the reasons it's driven up, in my opinion, into sort of this pricey element tier, if you will. It's trading for a 3.69 peg with 9 and a halfish% analyst expected growth average over the next four years. You know, this is trading for over a three peg. Price to earnings ratio in the future is over 30 and growth is under 10. That's over a three peg when you divide the two. That's pricey relative to other companies you can buy.
但这可能是因为市场预期苹果的增长会高得多。我自己也这么认为。我觉得苹果很可能会因此增长。是的。Duo 会蚕食一些 iPad 的销量吗?会。但它足够新,以至于你那些增量 iPad 买家手边已经有两三台 iPad 了。
他们对买新 iPad 不兴奋。他们对买 Duo 兴奋,因为它是新东西。而手机互换这个功能确实为那些想用两部手机的人打开了可能性。一部放在家里,你知道,基本上去掉所有烦人的应用、通知和其他乱七八糟的东西,而且更小更轻。
然后另一部有你工作所需的一切,触控笔、完整的应用功能,你知道,我们谈过的其他一切。我觉得会有一些人选择这个。而且我认为那个 iPhone 交接功能和 Duo 确实打开了一个尚未被计入股价的增长垂直领域。
But this could be because markets are anticipating Apple's growth is going to be a lot higher. Myself included. I think Apple will probably grow because of this. Yes. Is the Duo going to cannibalize some iPad sales? Yes. but it's new enough to where your incremental iPad buyer already has like two or three iPads sitting around. They're not excited about buying a new iPad. They're excited about buying the Duo because it's something new. And the phone swap thing does open the potential for people who want to use two phones. One for home, you know, basic stripped of all the annoying apps and notifications and all the other crap and it's smaller and lightweight. Uh, and then one that has everything that you need for work, the stylus, the full app functionality, you know, whatever else we talked about. I think there are going to be some people who go for that. And I think that iPhone handoff feature and the Duo do open up a growth vertical that is not priced into the stock.
尽管传闻已经消化了,但太多人会说,"哎,随便吧,兄弟。谁在乎?比如 Siri AI,那才是下一个增长点。"不。今天每个用 Siri 的人都知道它很烂,人们买 iPhone 或别的什么并不是为了那个,你知道,语音助手。
我尽量不触发那个名字。人们买它是因为硬件。所以 Siri 变好是理所当然的。我们都这样,"好吧,我们知道总有一天它会变好。它现在还不够好。总有一天它会变好。"所以我认为这实际上打开了一个新的增长类别。
Even though the rumors priced in, too many people are like, "Ah man, whatever, dude. Who cares? Like Siri AI, that's that's where the next level of growth is." No. Like everybody who uses Siri today knows it sucks and people aren't buying the iPhone or whatever for for that, you know, voice assistant. I'm trying not to trigger the name. People are buying it for the hardware. And so Siri getting better is like by default. We're all like, "Okay, we know one day it'll be better. It's not good yet. One day it'll be better." H So I think this actually opens up a new growth uh category.
它无疑会蚕食可穿戴设备市场的很大一块,这对 Apple 来说是一场胜利,通过 Ultra 3 实现,尽管整套 Apple Health 和 AI 顾问相关的东西要到今年年底才会推出。
Uh, it definitely eats a lot of the wearables market, which is a win for Apple, uh, via the Ultra 3, although that whole Apple Health and AI advisor stuff isn't coming out until the end of the year.
总体而言,我印象深刻。这场发布会正是我想要的,甚至超出预期。比如那个接力功能并不在传闻之中。对我来说,能把它架成三脚架,或者在我和孩子们拍照时逗他们玩,这些都是额外的加分项。手表上的健康功能更新,正是我所期待的。
Uh overall, I'm impressed. This is This event is exactly what I wanted and more. like the handoff feature wasn't in the rumors. The reality to me that I could set this up as a tripod or to entertain my children while I take photos with them, those are all bonuses. The health updates on the watch, exactly what I was expecting.
他们会流失一些 iPhone Pro Max 用户。我不会买 18 Pro Max,因为我已经不再需要它了。也许我会买那款新的超薄机型,但我会买一部 Duo。我认为很多人都会这么做。
这样一来,你一下子就把我从一个花 1200 美元买手机的人,变成了一个花 2000 美元买手机的人。所以你在最低存储容量上就把从我身上赚的收入提高了 66%。
Uh they are going to lose some iPhone Pro Max users. You know, I'm not going to buy the 18 Pro Max because I don't need it anymore. Maybe I'll get the new thin one, but uh I'll get a Duo. And I think that's kind of what a lot of people will do. And now all of a sudden you just moved me up from a $1,200 phone buyer to a $2,000 phone buyer. So you you just increased your revenues on me at the lowest storage level by 66%.
这些东西会出现缺货。我认为它们的售罄速度会远超人们的想象。这实际上非常令人印象深刻。而 Apple 的增长很可能会被大书特书。
These things are going to have shortages. I think they're going to sell out way faster than people think. And and it's actually very impressive. And Apple's growth is probably going to get written up.
我们预测的每股收益是 883 美元,分析师对接下来四年的增长预期是:明年 873,之后每股收益 1128,再之后 1079,再之后 841,除以 4 得出 9.8%、8% 的增长,对吧?
那么,假设股价是 317 美元,除以 8.83,得出 35.9 倍。这偏贵,但如果我把它除以……如果我按增长比例除以 9,就更接近 4 倍的 PEG。我这里稍微四舍五入了。如果我按 20% 的每股收益增长来除,因为他们可以把利润率拉高,那么一下子,这只股票只按 1.79 倍交易。
在我看来,这意味着这只股票实际上还有约 50% 的上涨空间。所以如果我在 317 美元上加 50%,我就到了接近 500 美元,476 美元。
Okay, so earnings per share that we have on the forecast are $883 and forecast growth for the next four years per analyst expectations 873 next year on EPS 1128 thereafter 1079 thereafter 841 thereafter divided by 4 gets me to 9.8% 8% growth, right? So, I'm at a $317 stock, let's say, divided by 8.83, that puts me at 35.9 times. It's pricey, but if I divide Well, if I divide it by nine on a growth scale, you know, I'm closer to a four peg. I rounded a little bit there. Uh, if I divide it by 20% earnings per share growth because they can jack those margins up, then all of a sudden, the stock is only trading for a 1.79 penn. That in my opinion means the stock actually has some upside in it of about 50%. So if I add 50% to 317 bucks, I'm sitting at almost $500, 476 bucks
在我看来,这就是那种你不必买了之后还担心他们会不会创新失败、会不会破产的股票。他们会落后吗?会。但他们会彻底创新失败、破产,被 AI 取代吗?不会,这是一家很棒的压裂公司。所以我个人对此非常兴奋。
我喜欢这次产品发布。我认为这对他们正在做的事情是一种创意。而且我相信,随着未来内存成本下降,Apple 实际上会维持这些更高的价格点。猜猜谁会在利润率上把这部分收入拿走?Apple。Apple 会拿走。这就是我的看法。
and and this is the kind of stock that in my opinion you don't have to buy and worry about are they going to like fail to innovate and go be bankrupt. Are they going to be late? Yes. But are they going to totally fail to innovate and go bankrupt uh and get replaced by AI? [snorts] No, this is a great fracking company. Uh, so I personally am very excited about it. I like the product release. I think it's a creative to what they're doing. And I believe that as memory costs come down in the future, Apple's actually going to keep these higher price points. And guess who picks that up in margin? Apple. Apple picks it up. So that's my take.
哦,现在有人公布了 Duo 的定价,两个 TB 是 3199 美元。我不认为大多数人会需要两个 TB。我觉得这有点过分。我认为一些拍 4K 的人会需要,但我觉得他们会用 Pro Max。
那才是他们的目标受众,配有可变光圈镜头。但如果我打开我手上这部手机的设置,我看看,大概是通用、关于本机,我这部是 512,我对 512 没问题,起步是 256,1999 美元,我会不会……
我的存储占用是多少,有多满,因为所有人都讨厌在这玩意儿上空间不够用。我有 143 可用。老实说,我可能会选 24.99、25.99 那种版本,一个 TB,不管实际价格是多少。我可能会被说服升到一个 TB,但我不认为两个 TB 完全有必要。
Oh, and somebody now is announcing that check the duo pricing at $3,199 for two terabytes. Yeah, I don't think um most people are going to need two terabytes. I think that's a little excessive. Uh I think that some 4K filmers will, but I think they're going to be using the Pro Max. That's that's sort of their, you know, target audience there with a variable uh aperture lens. But if I go to the settings on the phone that I have uh I have well let's see here about general a boot you know like Canadian I got 512 I'm okay with 512 it starts at 256 at 1999 you know would I and what's my my load on this how full am I because everybody hates running out of space on this crap I have 143 available I honestly would probably go for like a 24.99 25.99 version at one TB whatever that actual price is. I could be convinced to go up to one TB, but I don't think two is entirely necessary.
所以,这就是我的总体看法。乐观。我喜欢这里正在发生的事情。显然,这里会有很多分析师上调评级和预期,但对我来说,这是 Apple 的一次绝妙之举,坦率地说,干得好。
So, that's overall my take. Optimistic. I like what's going on here. Obviously, we got um uh you know, there'll be a lot of analyst rerating and expectations here, but for me, this is uh this is a fantastic move by Apple, and frankly, uh good job to them.
我认为这是 Apple 开始意识到自己是 AI 消费高速公路上的收费员的开端。真正的问题是,他们什么时候行动,什么时候揭开帷幕,什么时候才终于在 AI 战略上全力出击——我们在 Gemini 以及他们在 Apple Park 背后创造的一切中所看到的东西——你什么时候才真正开始看到这一点,首先,这会是一个激励因素,因为现实是今天有 3 亿部 iPhone 已经超过四年没有升级了,但……
And I think this is the start of Apple realizing that they are the toll collector on the AI consumer highway. It's really when do they go when do they take the curtains on when do they finally go full blast on the AI strategy everything we've seen in terms of you know the Gemini and everything that they've created behind uh Apple Park when do you actually now start to see that to one that's going to be an incentive because the reality is 300 million iPhones today haven't based on our have not upgraded in over four years but
对,他们每年都这么说,他们每年都这么说,各位。今年是升级周期之年。就是今年。而这从来都是胡说八道。比如,你发布了一些昂贵的手机。它们可能看起来很棒,但如果它们没有你说的那些必需功能,
>> yeah they say that every year they say that every freaking year, guys. This is the year of the upgrade cycle. This is it. And it's always bull crap Like, you've announced some expensive phones. They may look great, but if they don't have what you say they need,
第一步是,如果你看这次发布,以及他们实际上是如何推出 iPhone 18 的,他们会把实际的 AI 技术以及一些增强功能逐步放出。我认为这很重要,因为这不只是一个一年的周期,因为明年就是 iPhone 二十周年,那可能会更加重要,因为所有人都在等待的是,你什么时候才真正为消费者提供一款 AI 赋能的设备?
我们说过,我认为全球最终会有 20% 的人通过 Apple 设备接入 AI。
The first step is if you look at the launch and and really how they're launching iPhone 18, this is they're they're going to sort of, you know, drip this out in terms of the actual AI technology and I think some of the enhancements. I think that's important because this is not just a one-year cycle cuz you go to the 20th anniversary next year for iPhone that is going to be even probably more significant because what everyone's waiting for is when do you actually have an AI enabled device for consumers? And we've said, I mean, I think 20% of the world ultimately will access AI through an Apple device.
我认为考虑到内存价格,如果他们想的话本可以提价更多。我认为 McKenzie 谈到的一部分是,股价的反应可能是投资者担心涨价幅度会更大。如果你看用户流失率以及他们通常的做法,你会预期流失很小。
我称之为 100 美元,也就是大约 9% 的涨价,但他们必须管理自己的利润率。而当你看看内存价格,这不是短期内会缓解的事情。
I think given memory prices, they could have raised more if they wanted to. I think part of what McKenzie talked about, I think the stock maybe reaction is investors maybe fearing it was even going to be more expensive in terms of the price increases. If you look at churn and what they've typically done, you'd expect minimal churn. I call it a $100, you know, call it 9 percent type price increase, but they have to manage their own margins. And when you look at memory prices, that's not something that's going to curtail anytime soon.
对,内存价格可能要到 2020 年、2728 年底才真正见顶,然后你就得开始从那里往下走。所以,这需要时间。我认为 Apple 有一件事没有得到足够的认可,那就是他们明白哪里可以提价,哪里必须自己承担,哪里最终供应链中的合作伙伴必须承担,因为他们唯一不能承受的就是在某些涨价幅度下出现用户流失。
而考虑到我们现在看到的内存情况,这是一场拉锯战。他们在坚守底线。但现在舞台已经搭好,接下来是 Turners 篇章,它将由硬件创新来评判,但最终也将由 AI 战略来评判,而这就是此时指挥棒从 Cook 交到 Turnis 手中的地方。
Yeah, probably peak memory prices aren't really until 2020, end of 2728, you know, and then you got to start coming down from there. So, it takes time. The one thing that Apple I think hasn't gotten enough credit for is understanding that where they could raise prices, where they'd have to eat it, where ultimately partners within the supply chain were going to have to eat it because the one thing that they can have is churn at certain price increases. And I think given what we see with memory right now, it's a tugof-war. They're towing the line. But now the stage is set for the Turners chapter which will be judged on hardware innovation but also judged ultimately on the AI strategy and that's where the baton was handed from Cook to Turnis at this time.
我的看法。他们会卖得比我看到它之前想的更多。我原本以为它在 27 年会占收入的 5%。现在我认为很可能会达到 10%。现在的问题将是价格,现在我们知道价格了。但那次评测呢?在我们看到它之后,它会不会带来比我们最初想的更大的收入份额?你同意 Monster 吗?
My take. They're going to sell more than I thought before seeing it. I was thinking it would account for 5% of revenue in 27. Now I think likely they're going to be 10%. Issue is going to be price now we have the price. Uh but what about that review? Does it lead to a greater share of revenue than we first thought now that we've seen it? Do you agree with Monster?
同意 Monster,我甚至更进一步,它可能达到 15% 到 20%。如果你想想 Pro Max 或 Pro 用户,当你看看这次在创新上的表现,这是很多人一直在等待的,因为归根结底,从硬件角度你在大规模上还没有过真正的变化,你得追溯到 AirPods。
Oh agree with Monster and I'll even further I mean it could be 15 to 20%. that big of if you think about pro max or prousers when you look at the innovations on this this is something many have been waiting for because again it goes back to you haven't had a true change from a hardware perspective on a mass you'd have to go back to AirPods
因为 Vision Pro 是小众的,而且显然超级贵,所以现在没有人拥有像 Apple 那样的装机量——15 亿部 iPhone,25 亿台 iOS 设备——你称它为一个沉睡的巨人,但现在关键在于消费者在等待,好,接下来是什么,然后关键在于,随着他们在美国乃至全球推出 AI 能力,阿里巴巴的合作关系什么时候开始在中国发挥作用,这些都是步骤,Turnis 认识到这必须是 A 减,因为如果首次发布是 B 或 C 那种水平,那会让投资者把他放进惩罚区,而他做了他需要做的一切。
because vision pro is niche and obviously super expensive so now no one has an install base like Apple 1.5 billion iPhones 2.5 billion iOS devices and you call it a sleeping giant but now it comes down to consumers are waiting for okay what's next now then it comes down to as they roll out the AI capabilities not just in the US but obviously you know around the world when does the Alibaba relationship start to kick in China these are all steps internist recognizes this had to be an a minus because if it's a B or a C sort of coming out you know in terms of first sort of launch that's something investors and put them in the penalty box and he did exactly what he needed to do.
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