NVDA是逢低买入的机会;尽管存在竞争和利润率担忧,但其0.7 PEG的估值显得便宜。
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现在的目标就是系好安全带,享受从现在到Nvidia财报发布以及杰克逊霍尔会议之间的这段旅程。我之前说过,我认为在这些事件发生之前是一个逢低买入的机会。我不认为它们会成为特别大的催化剂。
我想我们会度过这一周,然后大家就会开始想:“好吧,万圣节我们要穿什么?”因为反正我们也不打算去Target购物了。
And the goal now is, hey, we just got to buckle up and enjoy the ride between now and Nvidia and Jackson Hole. I've said it before, I think it's a buy the dip opportunity before these things. I don't think they're going to be that big of a catalyst. I think we'll get through this week and then we'll kind of be like, "All right, what are we wearing for Halloween?" Because apparently we're not going shopping at Target anyway.
我个人并不完全相信未来几天我们不会感到紧张,因为人们会对即将到来的Nvidia财报感到不安,但我不认为任何情况会变得过于极端。
Uh, I don't think it's going to I personally am not the biggest uh believer that uh we still won't have some nervousness over the next couple days because people get nervous about Nvidia earnings coming up, but I don't think uh any of this will be uh too terribly extreme.
所以,我们会挺过去的。今天早上我们在制定策略时讨论过这一点,涉及Broadcom、Marvell、AMD、Nvidia和Apple。
So, um we'll get through it. Uh we were talking about that a little bit in game planning this morning with Broadcom and uh Marll, AMD, Nvidia, and Apple as well.
好的,很好。所以现在所有人的目光都集中在Nvidia身上。如果我们看一下Nvidia明天的财报预期,它目前的交易价格对应约0.7的PEG比率。Nvidia的估值非常低,低得离谱。
我认为市场有很多担忧,担心竞争对手正在进入Nvidia领域,担心Jensen的“恐怖统治”已经结束。我不知道。市场往往倾向于过度热情或过度悲观。但我们拭目以待这些情况是否属实。
Okay, good. So, uh all all eyes really on Nvidia right now. Nvidia, if we take a peek at it for earnings tomorrow, this is trading for about a.7 peg right now. The valuation for Nvidia is so low uh very very ridiculously low. I think there's a lot of fear that uh competition is coming to Nvidia and uh their reign of terror, Jensen's terror is over. I don't know. The markets tend to get overly enthusiastic or overly pessimistic pretty regularly. But we'll see if this stuff holds.
Marvell出现了一个不错的小幅上涨。而在财报发布前,Nvidia出现了一些下跌。如果Nvidia跌得太厉害,这最终可能会变成对线索的等待。当然,这只是第一分钟的K线,谁在乎呢?
We've got a nice little pop on Marll. Uh they we've got a little bit of a drop on Nvidia coming in pre earnings. This can be a wait can eventually end up being a wait on the cues if Nvidia tanks too much. Of course, it's just the first minute candle, so who cares?
费城半导体指数在这里出现了不错的反弹,因为Nvidia目前处于上涨状态。
Nice recovery here on the uh Philly Semi index as Nvidia is green for now.
然而,我们明天仍有Nvidia的财报发布。而且,人们仍然对Kevin Warsh周五是否会“拉地毯”(rug pull,指突然撤资或背叛信任)感到紧张。实际上我不认为他会那样做,我觉得他太像特朗普的傀儡了,什么都不会做,但我们走着瞧。
However, we still have Nvidia earnings coming tomorrow. And then we still have people getting nervous about Kevin Wars rug pulling us on Friday. I don't actually think he will, you know, I think he's gonna be too much of a Trump puppet and he's gonna do nothing, but we'll see.
Nvidia目前上涨28。
Uh, Nvidia up 28 right now.
例如,这里是当前的GPU小时数。其中一些,比如GB300和GB200,并没有报价。这些只是较新的Blackwell架构产品。所以他们报的是旧款产品的价格。看,就像这个。Nvidia RTX Pro 6000。
好吧,为什么不我自己买一个呢?哦,等等。我们确实买了。但我为什么要付给你每GPU小时1.80美元?你知道,我可以在Amazon上买到这个东西。我觉得大概要1.5万美元左右。让我看看。
我们当时买的大概是7千美元。Nvidia 6000 RTX。所以,现在交易价格是……哦,这太搞笑了。这真的很好笑。你可以看到我最后的订单。我们买了好几个。你可以看到顶部显示的最后一次购买日期是2025年8月27日。
真有趣。不管怎样,我的意思是,你现在可以以我们当时购买的价格——不管是7,000美元还是多少——买到它,而现在144美元就能买到。那么,一个月有多少小时?嗯,我不知道。让我们假设一下,为了好玩,我每天运行24小时。
那是720小时。我的回本周期是多少?在这种情况下是720小时。你需要支付……我还是需要一年半的时间才能回本,你知道,按那个价格算,而且你还得把它安装到机器里,所以运行一台这样的设备成本可能还是要1.7万美元左右,或者你把它放进服务器机架,所以还得加一点费用。
所以,如果你全天候运行,17,000美元除以720。是的,那仍然是两年的回本周期,但之后你就拥有它了,数据也是你的。所以我认为这正成为越来越多的竞争来源。这是按需服务。公平地说,如果你一直使用,他们确实会提供价格折扣。
所以,你可以签订合同。但这说得通。但在这个价格下,他们的盈亏平衡点是四年,除非他们获得了批量定价,也许他们确实有。他们可能从Nvidia那里得到了一些折扣,因为那是Amazon上的零售价格。
所以你可以看到商业模式。假设他们全押在这些RTX上。也许他们像我们一样一年前买的,价格是7千美元左右。他们拿到了Nvidia的价格,以7千美元购入。那么,7,000美元加上其他杂项硬件,大概需要9,000小时才能收回成本。
9,000小时除以365天。需要一年。那就是一年。我是说,这对Nebius来说不错。是的,他们可以成功,但话说回来,如果回本周期这么短,为什么不自己买呢?显然不是每个人都会自己买,但这将成为更多的竞争。
肯定不是这些大型机架,更不用说Frontier机架了,但看到这个定价很有趣。然后你就拥有了自己的硬件。我是说,对于去年我们买的那些,因为我们买得更便宜,我们现在可能已经达到了盈亏平衡点。
现在是两年的回本周期。之前是一年的回本周期,因为价格上涨了。总之,这很酷。Oracle在这里也稍微涨了一点。我觉得你对这个家伙的原始Nebius信用违约互换(CDS)反应很强烈。
但这里的债务也很疯狂,这是我发现的这些公司面临的挑战之一。
So here for example these are the GPU hours right now. Some of these they don't actually quote like the GB300 they're not quoting and the GB200 they're not quoting. These are just the newer black wells. So they're quoting the older stuff. See, like, look at this. The Nvidia RTX Pro 6000. Okay, why don't I just buy that myself? Oh, wait. We did. But why am I going to pay you a buck 80 per GPU hour? You know, I could I could buy this thing on Amazon. I think it's like 15 grand or whatever. Uh, let me see. We bought ours for like seven grand. Nvidia 6000 RTX. So, right now traded for Oh, that's hilarious. That's actually hilarious. You can see my last order. We bought multiple of these. Uh you can see my last order at the top there. It says uh you know, last purchase August 27th of 2025. That's funny. Uh but anyway, so I mean you could buy this now when we bought it for whatever it was uh7,000 or whatever and uh 144 is what you could buy it for. So you know how many hours in in a month? Well, I don't know. Let's let's just assume for a giggle that I'm running it 24 hours a day. That's 720. What's my payback period? 720 in this case. you need to pay I need I'd still need a year and a half you know at that price you know cuz once you know and then you got to install it into a machine too you know so it's probably still going to cost you like 17 grand to run one of those or you put it into a server rack so you got to add a little bit for for it. So, you're still probably at if you're running it 24/7, 17,000 divided by 720. Yeah, that's still a 2-year payback period, but then you own it and it's your data. So, I think that's that's becoming more and more of the competition. Uh, and that's the ondemand. I guess I I guess in fairness, if you're using it all the time, they do give you pricing discounts here. So, you know, you contract it up. But that makes sense. But at this price, at this price, it's a four-year break even for them, unless they're getting, you know, bulk pricing, which maybe they are. They probably are getting some kind of discount from Nvidia because that's retail pricing on Amazon. So, you could see the business model. You know, let's say they're all in on these RTXs. Maybe they got them a year ago like we did and they were, you know, seven grand or whatever. They got Nvidia prices and they're getting them for seven grand. Well, $7,000 still takes me uh well, basically 7,000 hours plus the miscellaneous other hardware takes me call it 9,000 hours to pay for itself. 9,000 hours divided by 365. It takes a year. That's still a year. I mean, it's good for Nebius. Yeah, they they could pull off, but then then again, like if the payback periods are so low, why don't you buy it yourself? Not everybody's obviously going to buy themselves, but that's going to become more competition. Certainly not these these larger racks, the more Frontier racks, but that's that's interesting seeing the pricing for this. Then you own your own hardware. I mean, for those that we bought last year, we're we're probably already at the break even price because we got them so much cheaper. Now, it's like a two-year payback period. It was a one-year payback period because the prices have gone up. But anyway, uh so this is cool. Oracles got getting gotten a little bit of a pump in here. This is I feel like your OG Nebius uh credit default swaps are wild on this puppy. But the debt is also insane over here and that's one of the the challenges that I find of the uh these guys.
OpenAI Nvidia Yappen。这是一篇彭博社的文章。OpenAI表示,其新的Jalapeno芯片在测试中表现优于Nvidia目前的产品线。所以我们并不确切知道他们指的是什么,因为有新芯片即将推出。
半导体的。哦,它是与GB300进行比较的。不可能吧。哇。哇。这令人印象深刻。该处理器在两个类别中领先:单位处理工作量和响应速度,对吧?但问题不在于你能否拥有一款更好的芯片。而在于你能否规模化生产这款芯片。
问题是这能否真正扩大规模?他们能否从台积电或其他制造处理器的地方获得产能分配?所以制造商……嗯,OpenAI计划在今年晚些时候使用新芯片来支持AI模型。这是其构建自有AI的一部分,加入了一群试图竞争的公司的行列。
这是与Broadcom的合作。Broadcom AS6。哦,我们刚才在会员直播课程中谈到了Broadcom。Broadcom对此消息反应平淡。哇。
OpenAI Nvidia Yappen. So, this is a Bloomberg piece that came in. Open AAI says its new Jalapeno chips performed better than Nvidia's current lineup during testing. So, we don't really know exactly what they're referring to because you've got these new chips coming out. semi. Oh, it was measured against the GB300. No way. Wow. Wow. That's impressive. The processor led in two categories. The amount of work it could handle per unit and its speed at returning responses, right? But it's not so much the issue of can you have a chip that's better. It's can you scale the chip? That's the question is can this actually get scaled up? Can they get the allocation from TSM or whomever or where they're creating them with the you know where they're creating their processors. So the maker uh well so OpenAI plans to use the new chips to support AI models later this year. Part of a push to build its own AI joining a stampede of companies trying to compete. This is a partnership with Broadcom. The Broadcom AS6. Oh, we were just talking about Broadco Broadcom in the um in the course member live stream. Broadcom's flat on the news. Wow.
所以我们并不确切知道他们指的是什么,因为有新芯片即将推出。半导体的。哦,它是与GB300进行比较的。不可能吧。哇。哇。这令人印象深刻。该处理器在两个类别中领先:单位处理工作量和响应速度,对吧?
So, we don't really know exactly what they're referring to because you've got these new chips coming out. semi. Oh, it was measured against the GB300. No way. Wow. Wow. That's impressive. The processor led in two categories. The amount of work it could handle per unit and its speed at returning responses, right?
但问题不在于你能否拥有更好的芯片,而在于你能否实现芯片的规模化。关键在于这是否真的能扩大规模?他们能否从台积电或其他制造处理器的地方获得产能分配?
But it's not so much the issue of can you have a chip that's better. It's can you scale the chip? That's the question is can this actually get scaled up? Can they get the allocation from TSM or whomever or where they're creating them with the you know where they're creating their processors.
好吧,这是三项内容之一。我的看法是,最优配置是 45% 人类、45% 开源权重、10% 前沿模型,因为像通义千问(Quen)这样的模型——路透社现在正在使用来自阿里巴巴的版本——确实很好,被认为可能落后于大型前沿模型约 3 到 4 个月,但成本只是其中的一小部分,而且它们能保留自己的数据。
就像,为什么要把你所有的东西都交给前沿实验室呢?
Okay, so that's this of the three items. My take my take this uh optimal is 45% human 45% open weight 10% frontier because the models like Quen uh which uh Reuters is now using from Alibaba are really good uh seen as you know maybe 3 to four months behind big L uh you know Frontier at fraction of cost and they keep their data right like why why would you give all your stuff to the Frontier Labs
俄罗斯也拥有大量无人机设备,据报道英伟达(Nvidia)的芯片被用于这些俄罗斯无人机中。
Now Russia also has a lot of drone equipment which Nvidia chips have been implicated implicated in being inside of those Russian drones.
我们研究了博通(Broadcom)。还有这个 OpenAI 的消息,这是关于 OpenAI TPU 的新闻。Halleluena 未针对刚开始出货的新世代 Vera Rubin 进行测试。
它也不是为训练设计的。没错,这正是关键所在。英伟达(Nvidia)最高的利润率来自那些训练芯片。
And we looked at Broadcom. We've got this OpenAI. This was the OpenAI TPU news. Halleluena wasn't tested against the new generation Vera Rubin which just began shipping. It's also not designed for training. Right. Well, it's it's that's the thing. It's Nvidia Nvidia's highest margins are on those training chips.
英伟达(Nvidia)最高的利润率来自那些训练芯片。旨在用于推理阶段。A6 非常适合这类任务。在速度优势方面,OpenAI 能够取得仅使用采用不同内存设计的芯片才能实现的成果。
It's Nvidia Nvidia's highest margins are on those training chips. Is intended for the inference phase. Those are what the A6 are great for. Speed benefits such as OpenAI can achieve results only previously possible with chips that use a different kind of memory uh design.
例如,OpenAI 目前依赖 Cerebras Systems 运行部分模型,但这种类型的芯片最适合较小的模型,比如语音推理等。
For example, OpenAI currently relies on cerebra systems for some of its models, but that kind of chip is best suited for smaller models, right? Like voice inference and that.
英伟达刚刚发布了 Jetson Orin Nano2 模块和套件,预计将于 2027 年上半年推出。Jalapeño 可以处理更大的模型。但它不会很快取代 Cerebras 等供应商。
Nvidia just announced the Jetson Orin Nano2 module and kit expected first half of 2027. Jalapeno can handle larger ones. But it won't replace providers like Cerebrus anytime soon.
是的,因为关键在于实际技术的规模化。对算力的需求巨大。这就是我们签约众多不同供应商的原因。这种情况将持续一段时间。我认为这是一个表现良好的投资组合。
Well, yeah, because it's all about scaling the actual tech. So much need for compute. This is why we signed up with so many different providers. Going to continue for a while. I think it's just a basket that does well.
推理芯片篮子。显然有 Nvidia,可能处于 5090 级别、6000 级别或 Grok 级别等。还有用于 A6 的 Broadcom,以及同样与 Broadcom 合作的 Google TPU。
Marvell 也涉及 A6,AMD 正在竞争,上游制造商是台积电(TSM)。ASML 则是为制造商提供设备的更上游厂商。我是否遗漏了什么?当然还有很多其他的芯片组件制造商,比如 LSCC 等等,还有 Vertiv 等。
但这更像是传统的芯片股集合,且仅针对推理领域,所以我不把像 Vera Rubin 这样的大玩家算在内。
the inference chip basket. Okay, so you've got obviously Nvidia, which would could be at the 5090 level, it could be at the 6000 level, uh it could be at the Groke level, etc. Right? You've got Broadcom for A6. You've got and and the Google TPU, which is also in partnership with um Broadcom. You've got Marll A6 and uh you obviously you've got AMD competing TSM as uh the upstream sort of manufacturer manufacturer. You've got uh ASML as the upstream manufacturer for the manufacturer, right? But um who am I missing on on like I mean there are obviously a ton of other individual you know chip component manufacturers chip components uh like LSCC's in there uh you know plus many others uh Vertive etc right but I mean this is more of like your your traditional like let's this is I'll just call this more the traditional um you know all chip stocks we think and this this would be more inference only so I'm going to say not not the big boys like Vera Rubin.
显然有英伟达(Nvidia),它可能处于 5090 级别,也可能处于 6000 级别,或者 Grok 级别等。
you've got obviously Nvidia, which would could be at the 5090 level, it could be at the 6000 level, uh it could be at the Groke level, etc.
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没什么大不了的,我们很乐意帮助你。我们帮助所有人。好的。那么,这里的推理芯片组合是……
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英伟达(Nvidia)的小型芯片,这些的利润率应该较低,对吧?所以在英伟达这边,用于推理的这些芯片潜在利润率较低。
Nvidia, the smaller chips, these are going to be lower margin though, right? So, these are lower margin side potentially uh for inference at uh Nvidia.
哦,我应该把 Grok 相关的放进去。Grok 适用于高推理,Grok 适用于超高速 token 生成。
Uh, oh, I should put the G gro Gro ones. Well, Grock for high inference, Grock for high ultra ultra fast tokens.
英伟达(Nvidia)可能是所有这些中最便宜的。定价也是最低的。英伟达的问题在于,人们可能担心所谓的……前沿利润率会向推理倾斜而衰减。所以这里存在一些担忧。
This Nvidia is probably the cheapest out of all of these. Uh, pricing the cheapest out of all. The problem with Nvidia is you have uh uh probably some fear the what's it called? Um uh frontier margins will decay right in favor of inference. So that's some fear here.
英伟达(Nvidia)可能是所有这些中最便宜的。英伟达(Nvidia)的问题在于,人们可能担心所谓的……前沿利润率会向推理倾斜而衰减。
Nvidia is probably the cheapest out of all of these. The problem with Nvidia is you have uh uh probably some fear the what's it called? Um uh frontier margins will decay right in favor of inference.
Q's 目前仅上涨 40 个基点。所以你正在看到这种衰减。这主要是因为英伟达即将发布财报。你知道,这会引发紧张情绪。
Q's are only up 40 bips right now. So, you're kind of seeing that decay. Uh, mostly probably because you've got Nvidia earnings coming up. You know, it's like that creates nervousness.
这很可能是因为 Nvidia 即将发布财报。你知道,这会引发紧张情绪。好的。让我看看还能找到什么其他新闻,特别是关于英伟达的。让我去看看有没有关于英伟达的猛料。英伟达。我有……
是的,机器人计算机、OpenAI 的新闻,然后还有马斯克关于太空数据中心的消息,我们已经听说了有一段时间了。
mostly probably because you've got Nvidia earnings coming up. You know, it's like that creates nervousness. Okay. Let's see what other news I can find here. especially on these on Nvidia. Let me go see if there's any juice on Nvidia. Nvidia. So, I've got yeah, the robotics computer, the open AI news, and then we had the Musk news about the space data centers, which we've heard for a while.
尤其是在这些方面,在 Nvidia 上。让我去看看 Nvidia 是否有什么利好消息。Nvidia。所以,我有,是的,机器人计算机、Open AI 新闻,然后还有关于太空数据中心的 Musk 新闻,我们之前已经听说过一段时间了。
especially on these on Nvidia. Let me go see if there's any juice on Nvidia. Nvidia. So, I've got yeah, the robotics computer, the open AI news, and then we had the Musk news about the space data centers, which we've heard for a while.
如果我只搜索 Nvidia,Nvidia Q3。好的。那么,盈利预期。让我们稍微过一遍 Nvidia 的预期。
If I search just Nvidia, Nvidia Q3. All right. So, earnings expectations. Let's go through a little bit of Nvidia expectations.
好的。那么,让我们记下一些内容。好的。Nvidia 的预期以及 Open AI 的新闻,因为那显然是明天的重头戏。好的。明天开盘前发布财报。
Nvidia Q3. All right. So, earnings expectations. Let's go through a little bit of Nvidia expectations. Okay. So, let's write some of this down. Okay. Nvidia expectations and uh the open AI news because that's obviously the big thing for tomorrow. Okay. earnings tomorrow before the bell.
Nvidia 的预期以及 Open AI 的新闻,因为那显然是明天的重头戏。明天开盘前发布财报。
Nvidia expectations and uh the open AI news because that's obviously the big thing for tomorrow. earnings tomorrow before the bell.
让我们现在专注于 Nvidia。所以,Nvidia 的盈利预期,他们预计……我这里有调整后的每股收益预期为 2.8 美元。
let's focus on Nvidia right now. So, Nvidia earnings expectations, they're expected to be I've got EPS adjusted expected to be at $2 uh 8.
我们看的是……那是八次中有七次超出预期。历史上,我的每股收益差距是 2.15 美元。我就把它四舍五入为八次中全部超出预期。
We're looking at uh that's a beat seven out of eight times. Uh, historically, I've got EPS gap at $2.15. I'll just round this beats 8 out of eight.
我预计营收为 922.9 亿美元,这往往也是八次中全部超出预期。但这总是取决于超出多少,对吧?这才是大问题。
I've got revenue expected to be 92.29 billion and that tends to beat eight out of eight times. But it's it's always a matter of like how much does it beat by, right? That's that's the big question.
让我们在这里专注于 Nvidia。所以净利润预计为 509.8 亿美元。这在八次中有七次超出预期。Nvidia Q3。好的。那么,盈利预期。让我们稍微过一遍 Nvidia 的预期。
let's focus on Nvidia here. So net is expected to be 50.98 billion. That beats seven out of eight times. And then let's see here notes we've got here. Likely to beat again networking and early Reuben strength. Oh yeah, that's we're going to see some uh Bloomberg suggests early Reuben strength is coming. Uh margin durability will be focused due to memory. That's fair as well as let's see uh top commentary on China. Not really. Nvidia needs a bigger upside to move the stock. Beaten raise remains intact.
这里的笔记。很可能再次超出预期,网络业务和早期 Rubin 的强劲表现。哦对,我们会看到一些……彭博社暗示早期 Rubin 的强劲表现即将到来。
notes we've got here. Likely to beat again networking and early Reuben strength. Oh yeah, that's we're going to see some uh Bloomberg suggests early Reuben strength is coming.
利润率持久性将因内存而受到关注。这也很合理,另外让我们看看关于中国的顶级评论。并没有太多。Nvidia 需要更大的上行空间才能推动股价上涨。被超越的涨幅依然完好无损。
Uh margin durability will be focused due to memory. That's fair as well as let's see uh top commentary on China. Not really. Nvidia needs a bigger upside to move the stock. Beaten raise remains intact.
Open AI 表示他们的 TPU 与 Broadcom 合作,或者我应该说是 ASIC。我不知道那是不是 TPU。与 Broadcom 合作的 ASIC 击败了 Nvidia 的 GB300,但尚未针对 Vera Rubin 进行推理测试。
Open AAI says their TPU with Broadcom or I should say ASIC. I don't know if that's a TPU. ASIC with Broadcom Beats uh Nvidia's GB300 not yet tested against Vera Rubin for inference.
所以这就是我的观点所在。我认为大多数推理应用不需要最大的芯片,这就是为什么我们认为其他那些推理类标的在企业级推理方面具有真正的上行空间。
So that's you know sort of where my opinion remains. I uh think most inference applications don't need the biggestations don't need the largest uh chips and that's where you know these other inference plays that we were looking at I think have real upside in enterprise inference.
你知道,我们一直在做这件事,我们在Reinvest AI上一直这么做。也就是我们的Homes AI和Stock AI。我们在5090显卡、6000 Blackwell显卡、CPU以及较小的模型上运行这些系统。
So, you know, we've done this we've um been doing this with reinvest AI. So, that's our, you know, um the homes AI and stock AI. it. And we, you know, we run these on on, uh, 5090s, 6000 Blackwells, uh, CPUs, smaller, uh, models.
而且我们开始看到其他公司也在这样做。实际上很多公司都在这么做。企业正在以这种方式内部化算力。投资回收期为一到两年。
And we're starting to see other companies do this as well. A lot of companies are doing this actually. Uh, companies are in-housing uh, the compute this way. You know, payback period are one to two years.
除此之外,还有你的数据。这是你的数据,不会发送到任何地方。Mona就是这么做的。路透社刚刚宣布,他们也在运行自己的模型,而不将专有数据发送给前沿实验室(Frontier Labs)。
And then in addition to that, you've got, you know, it's your data. It's your data, not sending it anywhere. This is what uh Mona is doing. uh Reuters uh just announced uh they're doing uh they're running their own uh you know models without sending uh their proprietary uh data to the uh Frontier Labs.
Nvidia 的问题在于利润率差异,尽管他们未单独披露,但我们预计其前沿芯片的利润率要高得多。
The the issue with that for Nvidia is what are the margin differences which they don't break out but we expect their margins are much higher on the frontier chips.
因此我们预计——我说我们预计——前沿芯片的利润率要高得多,因此重点关注前沿支出。关于Anthropic声称OpenAI被击败的说法,这并不令人意外。
So we expect I'll say that we expect margins on frontier chips are much higher hence focus on frontier spending and enthropic this talk about the open AI as beating this is not a surprise
好吧,还有什么?数据中心资本支出有增加空间,诸如此类,资本支出融资。Nvidia 正越来越多地利用其资产负债表来扩大基础设施池。这就是为什么会有大规模融资继续涌入的原因。
Okay, what else do we have? Data center capital spending room to increase blah blah blah capex financing. Nvidia is increasingly using its balance sheet to expand the pool of infrastructure, right? And so this is this is where you've got big financing still coming.
这是 Nvidia 的看涨部分。什么对 Nvidia 有利?数据中心有 5000 亿美元的融资。
So this is the bullish portion for Nvidia. What's bullish for Nvidia? $500 billion of financing 500 billion of financing for data centers.
SEC 放宽了资产支持证券(ABS)规则,取消了 5% 的风险自留要求,并明确了 ABS 中的细节。这真的让人有点想起2008年,对吧?就像说“哦,是啊,让我们取消一些监管”。等一下,把空调再开大一点。
You've got the SEC uh assetbacked security uh rule loosening no 5% skin in game and um details on what's in ABS's. So it's it's really, you know, that that a little bit feels like it's reminiscent of like 2008, right? It's like, oh yeah, let's let's remove some of the regulation. Hold on a sec. Turn that AC on a little bit more.
但在短期内……长期来看,那是泡沫化的。长期看是泡沫,短期看涨,对吧?还有什么利好的?嗯,SpaceX 的支出,对吧?那是,你知道,筹集了 800 亿美元。你有 Nebius 拥有 80 亿美元的现金。
但只是为了展示差异,你知道,如果 SpaceX 筹集了 800 亿美元,谷歌筹集了 860 亿美元的资金,然后 Anthropic 即将 IPO,对吧?所以,这些都是仍然利好 Nvidia 的催化剂。SpaceX 的支出,筹集了 800 亿美元。
But, you know, in the short term, like long term, that's bubbly. Longterm, uh, that's bubbly. short term bullish, right? Uh what what else is bullish? Well, uh SpaceX spending, right? That's, you know, 80 billion raised. You've got uh Nebius has 8 billion of cash. But just to show you the difference, you know, if SpaceX has $80 billion raised, Google has uh $86 billion of uh money raised, and then you've got anthropic uh IPO coming, right? So, those are those are all sort of bullish Nvidia catalysts still. Well, uh SpaceX spending, right? That's, you know, 80 billion raised.
Nebius 拥有 80 亿美元的现金。但为了展示这种差异,如果 SpaceX 筹集了 800 亿美元,Google 筹集了 860 亿美元,而且 Anthropic 即将 IPO,那么这些都是 Nvidia 剩余的看涨催化剂。
You've got uh Nebius has 8 billion of cash. But just to show you the difference, you know, if SpaceX has $80 billion raised, Google has uh $86 billion of uh money raised, and then you've got anthropic uh IPO coming, right? So, those are those are all sort of bullish Nvidia catalysts still.
好吧,让我们把这个发出去,然后继续聊这个。我认为这真的被低估了。企业内部自建 AI 真的被低估了。我认为这真的被低估了。企业内部自建 AI 真的被低估了。我们可以说,Gavin 模型——这是我的论点——大概是 45/45/10。
让我提一下。好了,开始吧。这是三项内容之一。我的看法是,最优配置是 45% 人类、45% 开源权重、10% 前沿模型,因为像通义千问(Quen)这样的模型——路透社现在正在使用来自阿里巴巴的版本——确实很好,被认为可能落后于大型前沿模型约 3 到 4 个月,但成本只是其中的一小部分,而且它们能保留自己的数据。
就像,为什么要把你所有的东西都交给前沿实验室呢?这很有趣。
Okay, let's uh let's send that through here and then keep keep yapping about this. I I think this is really understated. The enterprise in-house enterprise AI in-house enterprise AI is really understated. I think this is really understated. The enterprise in-house enterprise AI in-house enterprise AI is really understated. Um that's where we could say that the Gavin model that was my thesis is that we're probably 454510. Let's mention that. Okay, here we go. So that's this of the three items. My take my take this uh optimal is 45% human 45% open weight 10% frontier because the models like Quen uh which uh Reuters is now using from Alibaba are really good uh seen as you know maybe 3 to four months behind big L uh you know Frontier at fraction of cost and they keep their data right like why why would you give all your stuff to the Frontier Labs so that's interesting
好吧,真无聊。我以为既然我们在聊 Nvidia,可能会有点更多与 Nvidia 相关的内容。好吧,让我们回到 Nvidia 的话题。
All right, boring. I thought there'd be something a little bit maybe more Nvidia related since we're yapping about Nvidia right now. Okay, let's go back to this Nvidia talk.
好,让我们回到英伟达的话题。这是 OpenAI 的芯片。看看还有什么。这么多不同的供应商。看看其他初创公司也在研究类似的想法。Etched 的低电压芯片在这里。每个人都试图进入芯片领域。
OpenAI 公开测试了新芯片,使用较小的开源模型。
Okay, let's go back to this Nvidia talk. So this was the open AI chip. See what else there is. Uh so many different providers. Let's see other startups are working on similar ideas. Uh low voltage chip over here from etched. Everybody's trying to get into the chip is OpenAI publicly tested it new chips using smaller open source models.
什么?OpenAI 用 Moonshot 测试了?不可能吧。在内部测试中,它在运行一些尚未发布的 OpenAI 大型先进模型时表现良好。哦,他们在两者上都进行了测试。这非常有趣。
What? OpenAI tested it with Moonshot? No way. During internal test, it performed well running some of OpenAI's large advanced models that have been yet to be released. So, they Oh, they tested on on both of them. That's very interesting.
这非常有趣。好的。OpenAI 表示,它使用自己的 AI 模型来更快地开发该芯片。第二版已经在流程中进展顺利。公司预计在几个月内完成芯片流片(tape out),即设计的最后一步。
正在设计第三代概念,以降低层级、功耗和基础设施成本。是的,我的意思是,这场竞赛是为了从 Nvidia 手中窃取利润率。
That's very interesting. Okay. Open said it used its own AI models to more rapidly develop the chip. Second version is already far along in the process. Company expects to tape out the chip. Final step in design in the coming months. designing the concepts for third generation where cost level power level infrastructure costs down. Yeah, I mean this is the race is to try to steal margins from Nvidia.
正在设计第三代概念,旨在降低基础设施的成本和功耗水平。是的,我的意思是,这场竞赛旨在试图从英伟达手中窃取利润率。
designing the concepts for third generation where cost level power level infrastructure costs down. Yeah, I mean this is the race is to try to steal margins from Nvidia.
每个人都在竞相夺取 Nvidia 的部分利润率。这对 Nvidia 不利。每个人都想分一杯羹,从芯片利润率这个大罐子里取走一部分。
Everybody is racing to take some of those Nvidia margins. Uh bearish for Nvidia. Everyone wants a slice or a piece piece of the cookie jar of margins from chips.
好的,让我看看。我还有上次关于 Nvidia 财报的那篇分析吗?Nvidia 财报。英伟达财报。这很奇怪,那基本上已经是三个月前的事了。
Okay, so let me see. Do I have my last Nvidia earnings piece? Nvidia earnings. Nvidia earnings. It's weird. That was basically three months ago.
真奇怪。那基本上是三个月前的事了。英伟达财报。拜托,用一下苹果搜索功能。拜托,Apple 搜索功能。好了,开始吧。所以,三个月前大概像是五月、五月、六月,因为那是英伟达的10-Q季报。哇,来了。
It's weird. That was basically three months ago. Nvidia earnings. Come on, Apple search function. Come on, Apple search function. Okay, here we go. So, that would be three months ago would be like May, May, June maybe because Nvidia earnings 10Q. Oh, wow. Here we go.
好,打开这个。这是英伟达上一份盈利报表。毛利率75%,净利率71.4%。数据太好了,对吧?这就是损益表。
Okay, pop this open. So, this is Nvidia's last earning sheet. 75% gross profit, 71.4% net. It's just so good, right? So, that's the income statement.
这是英伟达上一份盈利报表。毛利率75%,净利率71.4%。数据太好了,对吧?这就是损益表。然后让我们看看当前的……看看这些增长预测是否有变化,因为很多预测到 2030 年和 2031 年都转为负值了。
让我看看更新后的数据。所以我记下更新后的增长预测:825。
So, this is Nvidia's last earning sheet. 75% gross profit, 71.4% net. It's just so good, right? So, that's the income statement. And then let's see what the current uh let's see if these growth forecasts have been changed because a lot of them are turning negative by 2030 20 31. Let me see what these are updated. So I'll write down updated growth forecast 825.
让我看看。这里我预测每股收益为9.3美元。之前是8.99美元,所以并没有太大变化。然后是增长率1309,627 3059。你在最后确实得到了一点提振。这在每股收益方面很有趣。
Let me see. So here I have $9.3 of EPS projected. Before we had $8.99, so it hasn't really changed. And then the growth of 1309,627 3059. You actually get a little bit of boost here at the end. It's interesting on EPS.
所以这大约是21%左右。那么它的交易价格是多少?210除以9.003等于23倍市盈率,除以大约21的增长率,PEG比率约为1.1。交易价格并不便宜。
So that's just over that's like 21%ish. So what's it trading for? 210 divided by 9003 equals it's trading for 23 times divided by you know call it 21 equals it's trading for you know one 1.1 peg right around there. Trading ain't cheap.
我觉得这是一个比我们要看到的更低的预期,因为我认为之前的预期增长率更高。英伟达。是的。我把增长率设为32%,这是之前的预期。为什么增长率……哦,哦,哦,哦,哦。我搞砸了。我知道我做错了什么。
我犯了个小错误。好吧,好吧。我在英伟达估值这里出了点小差错。就在这里,我写下的是实际的每股收益数字,而不是增长率。我的错。有趣的是结果竟然这么接近。所以,这些是每股收益增长率。
我不明白,他们怎么预期这里是87%,然后又是负22.61%?真是乱成一团。好了,这就对了。134 68。哇。那些真的飙升了33%。所以现在2325除以33.67等于……不,它的交易价格是0.7 PEG。哇。是的,它非常便宜。
That is a I feel like that's a reduced estimate from what we've seen though because I think the the last estimates had higher growth. Nvidia. Yeah. So, I've got the growth at 32 was the prior estimate. So, why did the growth Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I screwed it up. I know what I did wrong. I made a little oopsies. All right. All right. So, I got a little oopsies on this Nvidia valuation here. So, right here, this I wrote down the actual EPS numbers, not the growth rate. My bad. That's funny that it actually comes out so close. So, these are the EPS growth rates. I don't How do they expect 87 over here and then negative 22.61? I mean, what a mess. Okay, there we go. 134 68. Oh, wow. Those have really shot up 33%. So now 2325 divided by 33.67 equals No, it's trading for.7 peg. Wow. Yeah, it's it's very cheap.
所以我觉得很多痛苦已经反映在价格中了。但在过去四次财报发布后,股价都下跌了。这可能只是竞争担忧情绪的延续。或者是因为它是一家如此庞大的公司,对吧?现在市值是多少?5.7万亿,或者略低于此。
五万五千亿左右。英伟达目前的市值为5.1万亿美元。
So a lot I feel like of the pain already feels discounted in. Uh but it's gone down each of the last four earnings that have come out. It could just be, you know, a continuation of competition fears. Uh, or it's just such a big company, right? What is it now? 5.7 trillion or a little less than that. Five five something. Uh, Nvidia Nvidia sits at 5.1 trillion as a cap.
看看还有什么。9.033。更新一下这个数据。好的,完美。这就是我们针对 Nvidia 加入的 Gavin Baker 条目。
See what else we have. 9.033. Let's update that. Okay, perfect. Okay, so that was the Gavin Baker item that we threw in for Nvidia.
让我们看看。让我们看看。让我们看看。让我们看看。已经讨论过那个了。已经讨论过那个了。
Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Talked about that. Talked about that.
Morgan Stanley 关于 Google TPU 的销售情况。Broadcom 的 CDS 正在飙升。
Morgan Stanley TPU sales for Google. CDS's uh for Broadcom or rocketing.
我们可以把这些放到屏幕上。这很有趣。Nvidia 不在这里。我们随时可以加上 Nvidia,但我认为这些 CDS 真的只是对冲基金在对冲风险。
We could throw these up on screen. That's interesting. Nvidia is not on here. We could always add Nvidia, but this just I think I think the CDS's are really just hedging by uh hedge funds.
让我拿一下这个,因为想想看,实际上如果你做多这些股票,然后你获得一个信用违约互换(CDS),而它们的价值在上升,你的对冲实际上在升值,同时你的潜在敞口也在增加。这是一种讽刺性的 CDS 影响。
所以,随着你的 AI 股票上涨,你的对冲工具也在上涨。这样你就两头都赢了。
Let me grab this because think about like practically if you're long these stocks and then you get a credit default swap and they're rising in value, your hedge is actually going up while your potential exposure is going up. Uh ironic CDS um impact. So, as uh your AI stocks go up, your hedges have also been going up. So, you're winning both ways.
针对违约的保险政策价格在上涨,而底层公司的价值也在上涨。你知道,显然,过去几个月有点……有点奇怪,但这确实很有趣。
Insurance policies for default are going up and the underlying uh uh company values going up. you know, obviously, you know, the last couple months being a little uh a little funky, but but that is that is interesting.
所以,让我们考虑一下这一点。好的,很好。那已经发送了。好的。所以我们这里有这个……让我们想想还有什么。我们有 Nvidia 的现金流。人们将会关注的另一件事是那份现金流量表。我认为大家会非常关注他们在投资上投入了多少资金。
So, let's consider that for a moment. Uh so, okay, good. So, that's sent. Good. Okay. So, we have this uh let's think of what else. So, we've got cash flow at Nvidia. Another thing people are going to be looking for is that cash flow statement. I think there's going to be a lot of focus on how much they're throwing out at investments.
我们有 Nvidia 的现金流数据。人们关注的另一个重点是现金流量表。我认为大家会非常关注他们在投资上投入了多少资金。
So, we have this uh let's think of what else. So, we've got cash flow at Nvidia. Another thing people are going to be looking for is that cash flow statement. I think there's going to be a lot of focus on how much they're throwing out at investments.
你会在这里看到非上市证券的购买,以及上市债务和权益证券。我想这是接下来大量此类支出显现的地方。好的,让我们回到这里。Ultraast tokens。这种双重对冲。我的意思是,你在对冲你的上行风险和下行风险。
So, where you're going to see that is going to be right purchases of non-marketable securities right here and marketable debt and equity securities. That's gonna be the next place you see a lot of this, I think, spawn in, if you will. Okay, so let's go back here. Ultraast tokens. this double hedging. I mean, you're hedging your upside and your downside.
让我看看这里。好的。好吧。让我们删除这个。让我们回到……好的,所以你在这里两头都赢。这没问题。我只是在想这对 Nvidia 有什么影响。我的意思是,你真的可以做多……通过这种方式,你可以做多 AI 并受到违约保护,而现在两者都在上涨,你知道这看起来并不真正可持续,但某种程度上也说得通,因为债务支出越多,CDS 就越高,但债务支出越多,底层 AI 股票的营收就越多。
所以现在有一个疯狂的循环,你既可以被对冲,又可以在你的对冲工具和上行收益上都获胜。这太疯狂了。
Let's see here. Okay. All right. So, let's go delete this. Let's go back to Okay, so you're buying you win both ways here. That's fine. Just trying to think of the implications for this for Nvidia. I mean, so really you could be long Uh this way you can be long AI and be protected by default and right now both are going up which you know doesn't really seem sustainable but it kind of also makes sense because you know and and the more debt the more debt spending uh the more CDS's rise but the more debt spending, the the more the underlying AI names get more revenue. So, you got this like crazy cycle right now where you could literally be hedged and be winning on your hedges and your upsides right now. That's wild.
所以你真的可以做多 AI 并默认受到保护,目前两者都在上涨,这看起来似乎不可持续,但也有一定道理,因为债务支出越多,CDS(信用违约互换)就会上升,但债务支出越多,底层 AI 公司的收入也会增加。
所以现在有一个疯狂的循环,你既可以处于对冲状态,又能在对冲头寸和上行收益上同时获利。这太疯狂了。
I mean, so really you could be long Uh this way you can be long AI and be protected by default and right now both are going up which you know doesn't really seem sustainable but it kind of also makes sense because you know and and the more debt the more debt spending uh the more CDS's rise but the more debt spending, the the more the underlying AI names get more revenue. So, you got this like crazy cycle right now where you could literally be hedged and be winning on your hedges and your upsides right now. That's wild.
这相当疯狂。好的,我觉得这很酷。好了。阿曼和伊朗外长讨论了一个阶段框架,为恢复通过海峡的安全航行提供实际且可执行的依据。哦,这很酷。嗯,我想知道这会不会再次惹恼 Trump。我不知道。
我们必须支付……我们必须支付 Truth Social 的 API 访问费用,以便我们能快几毫秒获取信息。
That's pretty wild. Okay, I think that's cool. All right. Omani and Iranian foreign ministers discuss phase framework that provide practical and implemental basis implementable basis to resume safe navigation through the straight. Oh, that's cool. Well, that's going to I wonder if that's going to piss off Trump again. I don't know. We got We got to pay for the We got to pay for the uh what's it called? Um uh the API access for Truth Social so we could get it milliseconds faster.
嗯,好的。好吧。非常好。现在呢?真是个大惊喜。Nvidia 还有什么其他新闻?视频里提到了预期。我们知道利润率博弈一直是个难题。这一点我们很清楚。
Um, okay. All right. Very well. Now what? Okay, what a boot. What was the other news for Invidia? Video, we got the expectations. We know margin gaming has been a struggle. We know that.
所以,这将是……哦,还有另一个部分真的很不错。让我看看那是否在我的照片里。我拍了截图的照片。
So, this would be Oh, there's another piece that is really good. I Let me see if that's in my photos. I took pictures of the screenshots.
这在观察 Nvidia 时可能真的很有用。是的,就在这里。好吧。是的,这确实不少。好吧。就是这个。好吧,让我把这个传过去。这是我关于服务器现状的批注笔记。
This could be really useful though in looking at Nvidia as well. Yeah, here it is. Okay. Yeah, this is a lot. Okay. This this this this this. Okay, let me airdrop this over. These are my annotated notes on what's going on with servers.
好了,它们到了,现在把它们插上。所以就是插好线,把这些图片弄进去。好了,开始吧。下载中。哦,为什么是 HEIC 格式?当然,我没法上传 HEIC 文件。哦,真烦人。你在 iPad 上截个图,它们全都变成了苹果那种高效能照片格式。太蠢了。
All right, they've arrived and now plug them in. So that is plug in get these images in. All right, here we go. downloads. Oh, why are they HIC format? Of course, I can't upload HICC's. Oh, that's so annoying. You take a screenshot with an iPad and they all turn into those high efficiency photos that Apple does. It's so dumb.
哦,而且我没法一次性把它们全转成 JPEG。天哪。科技真是让人无语。没事。没问题。没问题。我们会搞定的。我们一张一张来。哦,这就对了。好吧。我可以分两批处理,因为我真的很想给你们看这些图片。
哦,得三批。真笨。我怪苹果。我怪苹果把这事搞得这么复杂。这是他们的错。不是我们的错。他们在拖延我们。我想把 Edgewater 的研究发出来。那真的很好。里面有一些很酷的见解。
Oh, and I can't turn them all into a JPEG at once. Oh my lord. Technology is something else. It's all right. No problem. No problem. We'll do it. We'll do it one at a time. Oh, there we go. Okay. I can do it in two batches cuz I really want to show you these pictures. Oh, three batches. Stupid. I blame I blame Apple. I blame Apple for making it complicated. It's their fault. It's not our fault. They're delaying us. I want to get the Edgewater research up. It's really good. It's got some really cool insights.
我们要。我们全都要。什么时候要?我们现在就要。收到了。好了。顺序可能有点乱,但我觉得没关系。酷。那么,开始了。这就是 Edgewater 的那篇文章。
We want it. We want it all. When do we want it? We want it now. Got it. All right. It might be a little out of order, but I think that's okay. Cool. So, here we go. This was the Edgewater piece.
来自 Edgewater 的实际要点。我们预计 GB 200 到 300 的价格在第三季度将上涨 20% 到 30%。本周末我们听到的是 15% 的涨幅,比 Edgewater 的预期略低。
So uh practical takeaways uh from Edgewater. So we expect GB 200 to 300 price increases up 20 to 30% in Q3. We did hear a 15% increase this weekend. uh a bit lower than Edgewater expected.
服务器 CPU 预计在 2027 年同比增长 50%。这有点看涨。涉及 Nvidia 的 Vera 和 AMD。Intel 的 CPU 在 2027 年已售罄。
This is server CPUs expected to jump 50% year-over-year in 2027. That's kind of bullish. Vera and AMD at Nvidia and uh AMD. You've got Intel CPU sold out in 2027.
有关于封装缩减导致内存成本下降的讨论。我不认为那是大问题。我觉得这会降低价格。封装缩减可能只是为了降低价格。而且我们真的需要那么多内存吗?对吧?这是另一个需要考虑的方面,因为内存公司占据了那部分价格的很大比例。
You've got this package shrinkage talk about memory coming down. I don't think that's that big of a deal. I think that lowers the price. Package shrinkage probably just to lower price. And do we really need all that memory? Right? That's the other aspect to think of because the memory companies are taking so much of that price.
RTX 6000 价格上涨。看到 RTX 6000 提价重申了我对 Nvidia 企业级 AI 的观点。游戏需求持续疲软。嗯,让我看看这里。渠道需求服务器。
RTX 6000 up. See RTX uh 6000 getting price increase uh reiterates my enterprise AI thesis at Nvidia. Gaming demand continues to weaken. Uh let's see here. Channel demand servers.
服务器的渠道需求开始下降。那么,服务器的渠道需求下降是否是一个早期预警信号?也许吧,我不知道。服务器的渠道需求正在下降。嗯,我们就把那个“嗯”放在后面吧。好了。
Channel demand for servers is starting to decline. So, you know, is is channel demand for servers declining an early warning or anything? Pro maybe I don't know. Channel demand for servers declining. H we'll just put the we'll put the hmm behind that. There we go. Okay.
我提到过需求正集中在最富裕的客户身上。是的,我同意这一点。好的,让我们看看。是的,我认为 Nvidia 的最高收入来自像 OpenAI、Anthropic 这样的实验室,而成本增加主要在于内存。我们知道内存价格已经上涨。
We've got demand concentrating to the richest is what I mentioned. Yes, I agree with that. Um, okay, let's see. Yeah, I think you know the highest income for Nvidia is coming from like the labs like OpenAI, Enthropic and and that cost increases mostly memory. We know that memory prices are up.
Nvidia。哦。他们提到 Nvidia 规格下调可能是由于 ASIC 的竞争。Edgewater 认为,Nvidia GPU 的内存规格下调可能是由于 ASIC 竞争所致。
Nvidia. Oh. Oh, they mentioned that uh the the stepping down of specs from Nvidia could be due to ASIC competition. Uh Edgewater believes spec down on memory uh for Nvidia GPUs could be due to ASIC competition.
竞争。这就对了。那么,随着开源中国模型可能退一步,HBM 供应削减的潜在风险可能会淡出视野。PC 需求正在下滑。他们不在乎 PC 是否停产,因为前沿产品卖得很好。对于游戏市场,他们也不关心。
Competition. Get that right. Okay, then potential for cutting HBM talking come out of view as potentially taking a step back with steps open weight Chinese models. Uh PC demand declining. They don't care if PCs go off because the frontiers are selling. Gaming, they don't care about the market.
PC 订单增速放缓。DRAM 价格预测至少持续到上半年。你看,这里显示内存 DRAM 价格的涨幅正在降温。这种降温在 2027 年确实很明显,但我其实已经预料到了这一点。
Orders for PCs are slowing. Price forecasts for DRAM continue through at least the first half. See, here's the the cooling in memory DRAM prices uh for growth. you really see that cooling in 2027, but we kind of I've already expected that.
根据 Edgewater 的数据,预计 2027 年 DRAM 价格上涨势头将进一步减弱。我觉得这真的很有见地。里面有很多内容,我只是读一下我的重点笔记。这些文档里的信息量非常大,相当令人印象深刻。
Okay. Cooling of cooling of price increases for DRAM expected in 2027 per edgewater. So, I thought this was this was actually really insightful. There was a lot of this and and you know, I just read off my highlights here. There is so much in these documents. Uh it's pretty remarkable.
好了,让我们去看看有什么……哦,现在太冷了。让我去看看 Info 那边在说什么。
All right, let's go see what we have for Oh, it is too cold now. Let me go see what the info is saying.
好吧。嗯,那个。让我把它调低一点。走。好了。嗯,ClickHouse,OpenAI 智能体使用,AI 机器人,Meta 计划推出 Hatch AI 智能体平台。苹果 CEO 告别。
Fintex 介入 AI 支出。让我看看这是什么。
Okay. Uh that one. Let me lower this a little bit. Go. All right. Uh, Click House, OpenAI agent use, AI bots, Meta plans to launch Hatch AI agent platform. Apple CEO farewell. Fintex muscle in on AI spending. Let me see what this is.
这与支付有关。许多 AI 工具的销售商已从订阅定价转向按用量或代币收费,对吧?公司也可以通过应用程序接口购买 AI。我的意思是,当有代币需要消耗时就是这样。AMI 模型本身的价格变动很大。
你看,你的仪表盘需要与账单显示的一致。不同的变量,API 用量,诸如此类。那很无聊。那没那么有用。
This has to do with payments. Many sellers of AI tools have moved away from subscription pricing to charging by usage or tokens, right? Companies can also buy AI through application programming interface. I mean, this is when when there are tokens to burn. Price of AMI models themselves change a lot. See your dashboard needs to match what your bill says. different variables, API usage, whatever. That's boring. That's not that useful.
好吧,看看 The Stick 现在的表现如何。还有 Nvidia。
Okay, how the stick's doing right now. There's Nvidia.
Marll 表现很棒。自 Leo fold 以来,它已经回落了一些。我的意思是,今天大部分时间它正在反弹,你在这里看到的也是同样的情况,AMD 自17日以来也是如此。让我们退回去看。是的,这是 AMD 的股票。这是 Marll。
Marll's doing great. Um, you know, and it's it's come down a little bit since the Leo fold. last I mean mostly today it's it's popping back what you've seen here same thing with AMD even since the 17th. Let's go back out. Yeah, here's AMD stock. Here's Marll.
它在 suckening 期间正好见顶。哦,Netflix 今天上涨了 2%。这很棒。他们理应如此。我认为他们赚了很多钱。他们在市场上受到的惩罚程度令人难以置信。他们赚了一大笔钱。
This was peaked out right around the suckening. Oh, Netflix is up 2% today. That's cool. They kind of they they deserve it. I think they they make so much money. It's incredible how much how punished they've gotten in the market. They make a crapload of money. Tesla 352.
是的,比特币仍然低于 80。Corave 89 美元。Applovin 重新回到 300 以上。天哪,这只股票在守住 300 关口方面经历了一些挣扎。
Yeah, Bitcoin still under 80. Corave 89 bucks. Applovin back over 300. Boy, that one's had some struggles to hold on to 300.
还有什么?还有什么?迪士尼在过去一周左右上涨了约 15%。无论如何,我的邮轮行程,就在我看那个的时候。我的邮轮就在底部这里。嗯,那说得通。我在24号到1号期间在度假,就在这里。
当我在迪士尼邮轮上时,迪士尼正在交易。你在 93 美元到 95 美元之间交易。你现在是 111 美元,除以 93 美元。你有 19% 的涨幅来自这次邮轮之旅。真有趣。
What else? What else? Disney Disney's gone up like 15% in the last week or so. Anyways, my cruise, it was right when I Look at that. My cruise was right here at the bottom. Well, that makes sense. I was on vacation the 24th to the 1st right here. Disney was trading while I was on the Disney cruise. You were trading for $93 to $95. You're now at 111 divided by 93. You have 19% the cruise. That's funny.
是的。是的。这挺酷的。我喜欢。好的。DRAM ETF 正在试图……这是存储器的 2 倍杠杆 ETF。然后如果我转到 DRAM,我想那只是 1 倍杠杆的。是的。所以,这里有一点回撤。让我们实际映射一下。
Yep. Yep. That's pretty cool. I like it. Okay. DRAM ETF is trying to This is the 2x ETF for memory. And then if I go to DRAM, I think that's just the onex. Yeah. So, you've got a little bit of a retracement here. Let's actually map it.
让我们往另一个方向走。获取延伸线。好了。让我们用灰色并确保我们的数字正确。34。是的,很好。屏蔽那个。是的,在这里被第二次回撤拒绝。事情一直有点停滞不前。等待 Nvidia。
Uh, let's go the other way. Get the extension. Here we go. Let's go gray and make sure we got our numbers right. 34. Yeah, cool. Block that. Yeah, getting rejected by the second retracement here. Things have been a little stuck in the mud. Waiting on Nvidia.
事情一直有点停滞不前。等待 Nvidia。等待 Nvidia。
Things have been a little stuck in the mud. Waiting on Nvidia. Waiting on Nvidia.
看看我们今天和明天进入收盘时会如何结束会很有趣。所以Axios 报道中没有提供关于 Radcliffe 之行目的地的额外信息。好吧。那么 Axios 到底在报道什么?
be interesting to see if uh you know how we end up closing today and tomorrow going into uh into the close. So this Axios no additional information on the purpose of the Radcliffe trip was provided in the Axios report. Okay. So then what is Axio reporting?
让我看看。Oxious。呃,Radcliffe 访问莫斯科与俄罗斯人会谈。最高级别的访问。我们看到了这一点。我们讨论过这一点。CIA 没有回应。这方面没有新闻。所以,什么都没有。
好吧。难怪他们给了你一个私人参观。我要说,参观舰桥太棒了。和船长合影并参观舰桥。这挺酷的。我的意思是,而且你也知道,我也和他们聊了航空,他们真的对操控机械很着迷。所以他们聊天起来很有趣。
Let me see. Oxious. Uh, Radcliffe visiting Moscow for talks with the Russians. Highest level visit. We saw this. We talked about this. A C7 CIA didn't respond. There's no no news on that. So, nothing. Okay. No wonder they gave you a private tour. I will say touring the bridge was awesome. Get a picture with the captain and tour the bridge. It was kind of cool. I mean, and and you know, they like I was talking to them about aviation, too, and they they were really into commanding machinery. So, they they were fun to chat with.
好吧,还有什么?让我们开始吧。让我们听听那些悲观主义者的声音。我们还必须对 Nvidia 的情况做一些分析。呃,我们稍后会将所有笔记分解成一些协调的概念。阿曼和伊朗提议通过霍尔木兹海峡建立临时航运通道。是的。嗯,这正是特朗普一直在抱怨的事情。
Okay, what else? Let's go. Let's listen to the doomers. And we got to do a little breakdown on what's going on with Nvidia, too. Uh, we'll break down all of our notes in just a moment into some coordinated concept. Oman and Iran proposed temporary shipping lane through Straight of Horse. Yeah. Well, that's what Trump has been fussing about for a while already.
我们还得分析一下 Nvidia 的情况。稍后我们会把所有笔记整理成一些协调一致的概念。
And we got to do a little breakdown on what's going on with Nvidia, too. Uh, we'll break down all of our notes in just a moment into some coordinated concept.
然后我得去趟洗手间。之后我们会讨论一些 Invidior 相关的内容。老伙计 Nvidia。据信载有 Radcliffe 的飞机离开莫斯科。好吧,所以现在它已经离开莫斯科了。
And then I got to hit the restroom, too. And then we will do some Invidior stuff. Good old Nvidia. Plane believed to be carrying Radcliffe departs Moscow. Okay, so now it's already leaving Moscow.
好吧。很好。我们来听听那些悲观者的观点,然后在财报发布前深入分析 Nvidia。然后我们在财报发布前拆解一下英伟达。
All right. Very well. All right. Let's listen into the doomers and then we break down Nvidia before earnings and then we break down Nvidia before earnings
>> 针对它的解决方案。因此,在不深入细节且不过度简化的情况下, >> 我们正在帮助他们训练模型,以便它们更安全。我们正在弄清楚可能发生什么,然后提供解决方案以确保它永远不会发生。
我们与前沿实验室以及使用其产品或开放权重模型的企业合作,以确保它们与行业中最好的模型一样安全,因为实际上我们看到市场要求 AI 使用的民主化,而现在也存在危害的民主化,当我们想要确保也有保护、安全和安保的民主化时,这就是我们所做的一切。
>> the solutions for it. So without getting too much into the details and being all bit over simplification, >> we're helping them train the models in order for them to be safer. We're figuring out what could happen and then we're providing the solutions to make sure that it will never happen. And we're working with the Frontier Labs and also with enterprises that are either using their products or open weights models in order for them to be as safe as the best models in the in the industry because effectively we're seeing the market demands democratization of uh usage of AI and right now there's democratization of of harm as well when we want to make sure there's also democratization of protection and safety and security and that's all what we're about.
Nome Schwarz,Alice 的创始人兼首席执行官。很高兴您来到 Bloomberg Tech。 >> 非常感谢。 >> 确实非常感谢。
Nome Schwarz, founder CEO of Alice. It's great to have you on Bloomberg Tech. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much indeed.
我们来做个英伟达的简要分析。我们做过英伟达的价格预测吗?我想还没有。好的。这是英伟达的股票 AI 标签页。我看到的数值是 886。
let's go do a little Nvidia breakdown. Did we do a price forecast on Nvidia? I don't think so yet. Okay. So this is the stock AI tab for Nvidia. I've got them at 886.
让我看看这里的一些额外笔记。GB300 部署正在加速。速度方面,是有史以来最快的产品爬坡期,最快的产品。
Uh let me see some extra notes we have here. GB 300 deployments are accelerating. Uh velocity, fastest product ramp in history, fastest product.
所以,定价一直相当稳定。这里是你的“Claw Pop”时刻。就在这一带。让我们从这里开始画。如果我先来,我们画一个矩形。这就是你的“Claw Pop”,这基本上是代理式编码的一个巨大时刻。
为代理式编码热潮鼓掌。然后从这里我们可以实际上做一个……你知道你之前能看到这条趋势线。像这样画。所以这是之前的增长趋势线,对吧?然后如果我画出第二条线来表示之后的增长,我们可以看到这些租金价格的斜率实际上向上倾斜了不少。
对吧?就在那里,这相当不错。你知道,那是看涨的。所以这是一个……代理式编码(Codex、Claude 等)之后出现的看涨拐点。到目前为止它一直在持续,并且延续到了八月。所以这还不错。得为此给他点赞。
So, the pricing has been pretty stable. Here's your claw pop. Uh, right here. So, let's draw from there on. If I go first, let's do a rectangle. That's your claw pop, which was huge moment in agentic coding basically. applaud a gente coding pop. And then from here we can actually do kind of a you know you could see this trend line before. Let's do it like this. So this is your trend line of growth beforehand, right? And then if I draw in a second line to get growth afterwards, we could see the slope of these rental prices is actually sort of inlected up quite a bit. Right? That right there, that's pretty nice. You know, that's that's bullish. So this is a um bullish inflection up post um agentic coding uh codeex claude etc. And so far it's sustaining and that's going into August here. So that's decent. Got to give him credit for that.
哦,让我看看。他们这里也在谈论英伟达。让我们听听。“几周前我们得到的结果真正强调了这些公司仍然致力于在 AI 上进行相当激进的支出。然而,该公司关于其前景的任何说法,它看到的采用情况如何,其定价如何——尤其是在周末报道的大幅涨价之后——所有这些都将非常受关注,并将真正有助于确定至少近期对 AI 的情绪。”
Oh, let's see. They're talking about Nvidia here, too. Let's listen. >> Results that we got a couple of weeks ago. They really underlined how these companies remain pretty committed to pretty aggressive spending on AI. However, anything the company says about its outlook, what kind of adoption it's seeing, its pricing, uh, following the big price hike that was reported over the weekend, that's all going to be very much in focus and going to really help determine, uh, at least near-term sentiment for AI.
我更担心的是,这会让英伟达依赖集中的超大规模云服务商客户群来实现增长。由于从超大规模训练向企业级应用的转变,这是一个风险。
I'm more worried about this leaving Nvidia relying on concentrated hyperscaler customer base for growth. That is a risk because of this transition from hypers scale uh training to enterprise.
英伟达主导推理市场,但基于 SRAM 的加速器——比如 Cerebras——用于超低延迟场景,那就是 Groq 进入的地方,嗯,你知道,Groq,或者你想叫它什么都行。
Nvidia dominates inference but SRAMM based accelerators this would be like your cerebrus rather for ultraast that's where gro uh you know gro is coming in gro whatever you want to call it
Vera Rubin 架构集成了七个……抱歉,五个加速机架中的专用芯片,许多先进的……我不太担心他们的封装或生产延误。我真的不担心……嗯
vera rubin architecture integrates seven excuse me uh purpose-built chips across five accelerated racks many flawless advanced I'm I'm not so worried about their packaging or production delays I'm not really worried about Um
估值与超大规模云服务商高度相关。是的,这是一个非常合理的风险。非常合理的风险。美国对华出口管制。这对我来说不是什么大事。我会把它标记为绿色。我不关心中国。我们已经基本上把中国视为……
uh valuation heavily heavily correlated into hyperscalers. Yes, that is a very fair risk. Very fair risk. US export controls on China. That's not a big deal to me. I will mark that as green. I don't care about China. We've already kind of written off China as
这实际上有点像英伟达故事的一个疯狂的小引言,因为如果那是真的,那么英伟达看起来就非常便宜。
It's actually kind of like a crazy little intro to the Nvidia story because if that's true, then then Nvidia looks really cheap.
看,你听到他们又在谈论英伟达了。“我认为那就在我们面前。我认为那是显而易见的。嗯,我只是想补充一点,我真的认为周三的这次电话会议,这次财报电话会议将至关重要,以便黄仁勋成为那个反驳我们在全国范围内看到的数据中心抵制声音的人。
我认为随着进入秋季,这种抵制将会加剧。今天早上有人在我的桌上提出了一个有趣的统计数据:数据中心建设现在占 2.5%。这比整个国家的基础设施建设还要大。想想看。我们现在建设数据中心的规模超过了建设基础设施的规模。
所以我认为这必须是那场对话的开始,他需要介入,因为正如 Josh 所指出的,如果他是 AI 建设的核心人物,他就需要解决这个问题。他需要回应这一要素。”
See, there you hear they're talking about Nvidia again. >> I think that's in front of us. I think that's obvious. Um, I I just want to add I really think that this call, this earnings call on Wednesday is going to be critical >> for Jensen Wong to be the voice that pushes against the data center push back that we are seeing around the country. I think it is going to intensify as you move into the fall. It's an interesting statistic that was brought to my desk this morning. data center construction is now 2.5%. That is bigger than infrastructure construction in the entire country. Think about that. We are now building out data centers more than we're building out infrastructure. So I think this has to be the beginning of that conversation where he engages because to Josh's point, if he's the central figure in the AI construction, he needs to address that. He needs to address that element.
如果英伟达的增长放缓,如果这是我们从公司那里得到的迹象,那就是他们增加股东回报的原因。第一,我认为基本面会很好。我认为他们会看到更多的计算积压订单上升,因为我们缺乏算力,缺乏内存,而且超大规模云服务商目前正将所有资本支出资金花在内存上。
所以我认为你会看到良好的积压订单和自由现金流。回到你的观点,今年 2000 亿,明年 3000 亿。他们已经承诺将 50% 的自由现金流返还给股东。
if the growth is slowing at Nvidia, if that's the indication that we get from the company, that's the reason why that they're doing more in terms of shareholder returns. Number one, I think the fundamentals are going to be great. I think they're going to see more compute backlog higher uh because we're short compute, we're short memory and hyperscalers are spending all their money capex right now on memory. So I think you're going to see good backlogs, free cash flow. Getting back to your point, 200 billion this year, 300 billion next year. They already committed to returning 50% of their free cash flow to shareholders.
我最大的顾虑,我最大的问题是,如果他们这样做,是因为增长放缓吗?而我不认为是这种情况。股息的税务处理方式相对于股票回购的税务处理来说简直是荒谬的。股票回购的公司只需支付 1% 的税。
而股息面临双重征税。这意味着 Nvidia 先就赚取利润缴税,然后分配给我们,我们又要再缴一次税。没人想要这样。
My biggest con my biggest question is if they do it is it is it because the growth is slowing and I don't think that is the case. no no no no speaking on behalf of long-term Nvidia shareholders We do not want increased dividends. There the the tax treatment of dividends is absurd relative to um the the tax treatment on buybacks. The tax treatment on buybacks is 1% the company pays. Dividends are double taxation. Meaning Nvidia is paying the tax on earning the profit and then distributing it to us and we pay another tax. Nobody wants that. Nvidia is not going to yield 4% to the point where the dividend is going to attract a new shareholder base. So I of all of the things that they can do to me for me and I think I'm speaking on behalf of many Nvidia shareholders institutions and individuals please reinvest into robots automation get involved in space anything but paying me a.5% dividend. There the the tax treatment of dividends is absurd relative to um the the tax treatment on buybacks. The tax treatment on buybacks is 1% the company pays. Dividends are double taxation. Meaning Nvidia is paying the tax on earning the profit and then distributing it to us and we pay another tax. Nobody wants that.
Nvidia 的收益率不会达到 4%,以至于股息能吸引新的股东群体。他们实际上正在做所有这些事情。这正是人们抱怨的地方,说他们的资产负债表基本上被用来再投资于所有这些领域。
Nvidia is not going to yield 4% to the point where the dividend is going to attract a new shareholder base. So I of all of the things that they can do to me for me and I think I'm speaking on behalf of many Nvidia shareholders institutions and individuals please reinvest into robots automation get involved in space anything but paying me a.5% dividend. They literally are doing all of that. That's exactly what people complain about that their balance sheet is uh is is basically getting utilized to reinvest in all of those things.
我认为以视觉为主的机器人 AI 对英伟达极具增值作用,在我看来是这样。今天英伟达宣布了什么?他们宣布了……在这里。嗯,他们宣布了 Jetson Orin、Jetson Orin Nano 2 机器人计算机,今天发布的。
I think robotic AI which is heavily vision based is super accretive to Nvidia uh in my opinion. What did we have Nvidia announce today? They announced here it is. Uh they announced Jetson Orin Jetson Orin Nano2 robotics computer announced today.
我们有为太空优化的 Vera Rubin。Musk 停止为太空优化 Vera Ruben。NVLink 72 计划于 2027 年第四季度发布,2028 年实现规模化。我认为这在目前看来有点更不合逻辑了。
我觉得现在谈论这个还为时过早。我并不是说未来不会发生。我只是觉得……我觉得这太早了。实在太早了。
We have Musk space optimized Vera Rubin. Musk cease space optimized Vera Ruben NVLink 72 for launch in Q4 2027 uh scale in 2028. I think that's a little bit more of um a little more nonsensical at this point. I think it's way too early for that. I'm not saying it's not going to happen in the future. I just think it's I think that's too early. Way too early.
我认为这在目前看来有点更不合逻辑了。我觉得现在谈论这个还为时过早。我并不是说未来不会发生。我只是觉得……我觉得这太早了。
I think that's a little bit more of um a little more nonsensical at this point. I think it's way too early for that. I'm not saying it's not going to happen in the future. I just think it's I think that's too early.
据《华尔街日报》报道,Nvidia 将授权 Poolside 的技术,并将超过 100 名员工纳入其 Neotron 项目。目标是挑战中国的开源模型。
according to Wall Street Journal, Nvidia will license pools technology and bring more than 100 employees into their Neotron project. The goal is to challenge Chinese open models,
向 Poolside 投资 60 亿美元用于开放权重。
6 billion into poolside for open weight
Nvidia 正在向 Poolside 投资 60 亿美元以参与开放权重的竞争。我的意思是,这就是发展方向。这是企业级的发展方向。
Nvidia Nvidia is investing six billion into poolside to compete in open weight. I mean that's the direction it goes. That's the enterprise direction.
Jensen 宣布了入门级边缘 AI 机器人计算机。Groot 基础模型,我们知道这一点。
Jensen announced the entrylevel edge AI robotics computer. Groot Foundation model, we know that.
哦,他们现在在谈论 Marll。那挺酷的。
Oh, they're talking about Marll now. That's cool.
嗯,看起来 Nvidia 现在被预期……哦,等等。不是 Nvidia。重来。重来。你搞错了,Kevin。你说的是 Nvidia。你想说的应该是 Anthropic。
Well, it looks like Nvidia is now expected. Oh, wait. It's not Nvidia. Take two. Take two. You screwed it up, Kevin. You said Nvidia. You meant to say anthropic.
这就像是对总可寻址市场的彻底重新定义,因为这基本上相当于 2025 年美国整个 GDP 的 100%,这对 Nvidia 来说听起来可能是利好的。
That is like a total redefinition of total addressable market since that's basically 100% of the entire GDP of the United States in 2025 which sounds bullish maybe for Nvidia.
这就是我们要在这个环节讨论的内容。Nvidia 的盈利预期,OpenAI 的新 Jalapeno 芯片。我们要讨论 Nvidia 的机器人业务、Nvidia 的开放权重、企业级 AI 以及 GPU 租赁率。
And that's what we got to talk about in this segment. Nvidia expectations for earnings, the new Jalapeno chip from Open AI. We got to talk Nvidia robotics, Nvidia openweight, enterprise AI, GPU rental rates.
所以,我们需要做的第一件事是认识到 Nvidia 的财报明天发布。像往常一样,是在盘后发布。我们确实预计 Nvidia 会超预期。历史上他们总是最终超出预期。
So, first thing that we need to do is uh recognize that Nvidia earnings are tomorrow. Uh they are as usual after the bell. We do expect Nvidia to beat. Historically they always end up beating.
调整后每股收益预期为 $29。Nvidia 在过去八次中有七次超出预期。基于 GAAP 的每股收益预期为 $2.15。Nvidia 在这项指标上八次全部超出预期。收入预期为 922.9 亿美元,过去八次中有八次超出预期。
Adjusted EPS expectations $29. Nvidia beats seven out of eight of the last times. Uh EPS is expected on the GAP basis at $2.15. Nvidia beats eight out of eight times on this. Revenue is expected at 92.29 billion with a beat eight out of eight of the last times.
美国银行实际上认为他们会更接近 940 亿美元。这对 Nvidia 来说真的是一件大事,因为尽管 Nvidia 能在收入上八次全部超出预期,但在最近四次财报发布后股价都下跌了,这对于一家赚这么多钱且现在如此便宜的企业来说是一种侮辱。这太疯狂了。
Bank of America actually thinks they'll be closer to 94 billion. And that ends up being a really big deal for Nvidia because even though Nvidia can beat on revenue eight out of eight times, Nvidia in the last four earnings releases has gone down afterwards, which is an insult to this business that makes so much money and is so freaking cheap right now. It's crazy.
940 亿美元是美国银行的预期。你真的必须超越那些处于高位的预期。目前的平均共识预期是 922.9 亿。通常为了让股价上涨,你必须超越较高的那个预期。这是一种很奇怪的心理游戏。
$94 billion is the Bank of America expectation. you really have to beat the expectations uh that are on the higher end. So current expectation on average consensus is 92.29. Usually for the stock to go up, you have to beat the higher of the expectations. It's such a weird like psychology game.
无论如何,净利润预期为 509.8 亿美元,如果你算一下这笔账,用净利润除以预期收入,意味着他们保留了约 55.2% 的底线利润。他们每赚一美元,就有 55.2% 是税后利润。这太好了。
Anyway, net $50.98 billion expected, which if you do the math on that, the net divided by the expected revenue means they're taking about 55.2% of the bottom line. every dollar that they make, 55.2% is after tax profit. It's so good.
无论如何,这次财报的重点都将与利润率有关,尤其是因为我们刚刚看到价格上涨了 15%,这实际上低于 Edgewater Research 对第三季度预测的 20% 到 30% 的涨幅。
我们有 15% 的价格上涨来抵消部分内存价格的影响。
Anyway, um the big focus on this earnings report is all going to have to do with margin, especially since we just saw a 15% price increase, which was actually lower than the 20 to 30% price increase that Edgewater Research was projecting for the third quarter. We had a 15% price increase to offset some of those memory prices.
我们看到一些前沿的 Nvidia 芯片在规格上有所调整,其显存(VRAM)余量降低了。这基本上意味着它们受内存问题的影响较小,但这让人不禁要问:为什么我们要在芯片中制造“缩水式通胀”?为什么要减少那里的内存配置?
And we've seen some respecting and some rejiggering of some of these leading edge uh Nvidia chips where we're seeing them come in with lower headroom for uh VRAMm. So basically lower uh exposure to that memory issue which then makes you wonder like why why are we making like creating shrinkflation in chips? Why are we reducing memory there?
但也可能只是这些芯片并不需要那么多内存。
But it could also be that maybe we just don't need that much memory in these chips.
彭博社发布了一篇文章,称 OpenAI 声称其新芯片在测试中可以超越 Nvidia 处理器。这款芯片被称为 Jalapeno 芯片,在其基准测试中击败了 GB300。显然这是有偏见的,我提出这一点是因为人们将其视为一个风险因素。
Bloomberg released this article that says OpenAI claims its new chips can outperform Nvidia processors in tests. This chip is called the Jalapeno chip uh and it beats the GB300 in their benchmarking. Obviously this is biased and I'm bringing this up because it is something that people see as a risk factor.
如果我们能从基于 SRAM 的芯片中获得这种性能,比如刚刚发布的用于超快令牌生成、超低延迟、语音 AI 客户服务几乎无感知延迟的 Nvidia Groq 产品。那是 Nvidia 的产品。
Groq——他们基本上收购了来自 Grock 或 Groq (G R O Q) 的所有知识产权。
If we can get them from SRAMM based chips like the Nvidia Gro that was just announced for ultraast token generation, super low latency, imperceptible latency for like voice AI customer service. That's an Nvidia product. the Gro they they acquired essentially all the IP from from Grock or Gro G R O Q
你可以看到,现在前沿实验室表示:“嘿,我们不再只关注 Nvidia 最顶尖的前沿芯片,比如 Vera Rubin 芯片。我们也真正专注于如何完善我们的推理技术栈。”Nvidia 意识到了这一点,这将成为 Nvidia 的一个风险因素。这可能也是 Nvidia 估值如此低廉的原因。
you can see there's a lot of benefit from the now Frontier Lab saying, "Hey, you know, we're we're not just focused on the greatest leading edge frontier chips from Nvidia anymore, like the Vera Rubin chip. We're also really focused on how can we fill out our inference stack and Nvidia is realizing this and that's going to be one of the risk factors for Nvidia. And it's probably why Nvidia is selling for such a dirt cheap valuation.
Nvidia 目前的 PEG 比率约为 69,这对 Nvidia 来说是一种侮辱,因为它太便宜了。这就是为什么我们的股票 AI 指标显示它有大约 4 倍的上涨空间,我们的目标价是 Nvidia 886 美元,处于公允价值,仅仅因为他们的利润率非常高。
那么,为什么他们的售价却低得多呢?到底发生了什么?
Nvidia's PEG ratio right now sits at about 69, which is an insult to Nvidia how cheap this is. This is why our stock AI indicates this has like a 4x upside at our price target is $886 for Nvidia uh at at a fair value just because their margins are so high. Why then are they selling for so much lower? Like what's going on?
首先,你有 Nvidia。不幸的是,它存在大公司市值过高的问题。你知道,它是 5.7 万亿美元。对于一只 5.7 万亿美元的股票来说,推动其上涨需要很大的力量。这使得情况变得困难。这是对它不利的一点。
Okay, so first of all, uh you've got Nvidia. It unfortunately has this large company deficit. You know, it's $5.7 trillion. It takes a lot for a $5.7 trillion stock to move. So, that makes it hard. That's one thing it has going against it.
另一点是,它在超快令牌生成领域并非唯一的竞争对手,因为你有 Cerebras,实际上它领先于 Nvidia。Cerebras 刚刚进入生产阶段,与 Nvidia 合作,现在是 Nvidia 的产品,所以应该表现不错,但 Cerebras 仍然领先于他们。
The other thing is it is not the sole competitor in uh or competitor in ultra fast token generation because you have Cerebrris who's actually ahead of them. This just entered production with Nvidia which it's an Nvidia product now so it should do well but Cerebrris is ahead of them.
但这里的问题在于,你拥有几乎势均力敌的对手,我甚至可以说 Cerebras 处于领先地位,而 Nvidia 在最前沿领域拥有巨大的护城河。想想看,比如 Vera Rubin 太空计算,公平地说,Elon Musk 谈到 Vera Rubin 太空优化芯片将在 2027 年第四季度发射到太空,并在 2028 年扩大规模。
这很好,但这有点遥不可及。这算是你的太空版 Vera Rubin。我现在称之为希望。这还为时过早。因此,这部分价值正在被折现。
But the issue here is you have almost two equal I would almost say Cerebrus is ahead competitors whereas Nvidia has this big moat in the bleeding edge right you think about like the Vera Rubin uh space compute which in fairness you've got Elon Musk talking about how Vera Rubin space optimized chips are going to get launched into space in Q427 and then scale in 2028. That's great, but that's a bit of a long shot. That's sort of your uh Vera Rubin for space. I would call it uh hope right now. It's it's a little early for that. And so that's getting discounted.
Groq 的价值正在被折现。它的规模也在被折现。它能真的从这里翻倍吗?对吧?这就是问题所在。你知道,Forex 将要求这成为一家 20 万亿美元的公司。根据他们赚取的利润,你可以证明其合理性,但你能否真正达到那个水平是另一个问题,对吧?
Groke is getting discounted. Uh its size is getting discounted. Like can this really 2x from here? Right? That's the problem. You know, Forex is going to require this being like a 20 trillion dollar company. Based on how much money they make, you could justify it, but can you actually get to it is the other question, right?
然后,机器人技术仍然非常早期。Nvidia 刚刚宣布了又一个机器人发布,如果这么说的话。它是 Jetson Orin Nano2 机器人计算机,用于低功耗边缘计算。那是未来。但机器人技术再次强调,这是一种未来的希望,可能需要十年时间我们才能真正实现大规模 GPU 密集型基于视觉的机器人训练。
Then robotics are still very early. Nvidia is uh just announced uh yet another uh sort of robotics release, if you will. It's the Jetson Orin Nano2 robotics computer for sort of lower power edge computing. That is the future. But robotics again, it's a future hope that could be a decade out before we really scale GPU heavy vision-based training for robotics.
你现在更多是在实验室基础上的边缘端应用。我应该小心使用“实验室”这个词,因为前沿实验室使用了大量的 GPU,对吧?像 Anthropic 和 OpenAI。不要将其与实验室基础的机器人技术混淆,后者非常非常早期,主要是因为执行器和保持这些设备运行超过 30 分钟演示的实际机械方面仍然存在挑战。
You're more lab-based edge edgebased right now. I should be careful with the word lab since the frontier labs use a crapload of GPUs, right? Like anthropic and open AAI. That should not be confused with lab-based robotics, which is more, you know, very very early stage mostly because you still have issues with actuators and the actual mechanics of keeping these things running for more than, you know, a 30-minute demo.
无论如何,你面临着这些问题,规模庞大。也许 Cerebras 在这里胜过他们。我是说,他们已经上市了。Cerebras 面临客户集中风险,主要依赖 OpenAI。他们的一些 IPO 风险已经降低,尤其是随着股价大幅下跌之后。所以我现在比当时更喜欢它。
So anyway, so you've got some of these issues, large size. This is maybe Cerebrus might be beating them here. here. I mean, they already are to market. They've got Cerebrus has customer concentration risk with OpenAI. Some of their uh IPO issues have d-risked, especially now that the stock has come down as much as it has. So, I like it better now than I did then.
所以我现在比当时更喜欢它。Vera Rubin 太空项目更多是一种未来的选择性选项。机器人也是未来的选择性选项。所以现在很多事情都归结为利润率。这将是大家关注的重点:如果你提价 15%,但内存价格上涨幅度远大于此,那么在财报季前你的利润率会有多稳定?
因此,人们有些紧张,担心可能会看到盈利疲软,特别是当企业公司的部分关注点从最前沿的尖端芯片转向推理芯片时。
So, I like it better now than I did then. Vera Rubin uh space is more of a future optionality. Robots are future optionality. So, a lot right now comes down to margins. And this is going to be the focus from folks is if you're raising prices 15% but memory prices have gone up substantially more than that, how stable are your margins going to be going into earnings? And so there's some nervousness that maybe we'll see some softening of earnings, especially as some of the focus from uh enterprise companies goes towards inference chips rather than these bleeding edge frontier chips.
这将是大家关注的重点:如果你提价 15%,但内存价格上涨幅度远大于此,那么在财报季前你的利润率会有多稳定?因此,人们有些紧张,担心可能会看到盈利疲软,特别是当企业公司的部分关注点从最前沿的尖端芯片转向推理芯片时。
And this is going to be the focus from folks is if you're raising prices 15% but memory prices have gone up substantially more than that, how stable are your margins going to be going into earnings? And so there's some nervousness that maybe we'll see some softening of earnings, especially as some of the focus from uh enterprise companies goes towards inference chips rather than these bleeding edge frontier chips.
想想推理芯片。这听起来很疯狂,但任何配备 5090 GPU 的游戏 PC 基本上足以运行许多企业级人工智能。你甚至不需要购买我们买的那种 Blackwell 6000。我们买了一些 Blackwell 6000 芯片。
我们在它们售价为 7,000 美元时买的。我们在该芯片上翻了两倍的钱。我甚至不知道。我认为在那段时间里,股票都没有像芯片那样翻倍,对吧?
Think about inference chips for a moment. This sounds crazy, but the gaming PC uh that operates or any gaming PC that operates on a 5090 GPU is pretty much good enough to run a lot of enterprise artificial intelligence. You don't even have to buy what we did, which is a Blackwell 6000. We've bought, you know, a few of these Blackwell 6000 chips. We bought these back when they were $7,000. We 2xed our money on the damn chip. Like I don't even know. I don't even think the stock 2xed in the time that the chip 2xed, right?
你甚至不需要买我们买的那种 Blackwell 6000。我们确实买了一些这种 Blackwell 6000 芯片。我们在它们售价为 7,000 美元时买入的。这该死的芯片让我们资金翻了一倍。
我甚至不知道怎么说。我不认为股价在芯片翻倍的那段时间里也翻了一倍,对吧?所以这有点疯狂,但许多企业级 AI 并不需要这种内存水平。
You don't even have to buy what we did, which is a Blackwell 6000. We've bought, you know, a few of these Blackwell 6000 chips. We bought these back when they were $7,000. We 2xed our money on the damn chip. Like I don't even know. I don't even think the stock 2xed in the time that the chip 2xed, right? Uh so it's kind of crazy, but a lot of enterprise AI does not need this memory level.
所以这有点疯狂,但很多企业级 AI 并不需要这个级别的内存。你不需要 96 GB 的 DDR7 余量。你可以用 5090 处理大量企业级推理,其大小仅为前者的一半,配备 32 GB 的 VRAM。
Uh so it's kind of crazy, but a lot of enterprise AI does not need this memory level. You don't need 96 GB of DDR7 headroom. you can handle a lot of enterprise uh inference with a 5090 which operates at a third of the size of this on a 32 gigabyte uh uh you know VRAM set.
你不需要 96 GB 的 DDR7 余量。你可以用 5090 处理大量的企业推理任务,它的规模只有这个的三分之一,配备 32 GB 显存。
You don't need 96 GB of DDR7 headroom. you can handle a lot of enterprise uh inference with a 5090 which operates at a third of the size of this on a 32 gigabyte uh uh you know VRAM set.
那意味着什么?这意味着你可能会看到公司更倾向于选择 Broadcom 的 A6、预计明年扩产的 Google TPU、Marvell A6,或者 Nvidia 5090/6000 系列,而不是最前沿的 Vera Rubin 芯片。在我看来,这就是 Nvidia 开始……
So what does that mean? Well, what that means is you might end up seeing companies preferring A6 from Broadcom, Google TPUs, which are expecting to scale next year, uh, or Marll A6, uh, or Nvidia 5090s or 6000s over the bleeding edge Vera Rubin chips. That, in my opinion, is why Nvidia is starting to
在我看来,这就是为什么 Nvidia 开始表示“嘿,我们实际上要减少在这些大型前沿芯片上放置的内存量,因为企业应用程序实际上不需要那些大芯片堆栈上有那么多内存。”
That, in my opinion, is why Nvidia is starting to say, "Hey, we're actually going to downsize how much memory we're putting on these massive frontier uh uh chips because the enterprise applications don't actually need that much memory on those big chip stacks."
所以,社交媒体上有很多传闻,说他们正在减少芯片中的内存配置。这是缩水式通胀(shrinkflation),你知道的,他们在偷工减料。我认为这样做是为了控制成本,并使其对企业真正有用,因为芯片变得太大了。
So, there's been a lot of rumoring in social media over, oh, they're reducing how much memory they're putting in the chips. This is shrinkflation, you know, they're they're cutting corners. I think it's so they could keep the cost down and actually make it useful for enterprises because the chips are getting too big.
我们不需要这些巨大的堆栈,因为你用这些小芯片就能完成很多工作。你可以直接拿一个我认为零售价是 4,900 美元的芯片。那甚至不是你批量采购能拿到的价格,对吧?你现在可以拿一个 Nvidia 5090 RTX 芯片。
哦,它们又涨了 200 美元。你在开玩笑吗?这些上周还是 4,900 美元。至少在这家店里只剩一个库存了。呃,不管怎样,你知道,这上周还是 4,900 美元。什么?而且交货期,你甚至要到九月才能拿到货。太愚蠢了。
We don't need these massive stacks because you could do so much work with these little chips. You could literally take a $4,900 I think is the retail price. That's not even what you could get them at bulk pricing, right? You could take an Nvidia 5090 RTX chip right now. Oh, they've gone up another $200. Are you kidding me? These were literally $4,900. one left in stock at least on this store. Uh but anyway, you know, this was $4,900 like last week. What? And the delivery, you can't even get it until September. That's stupid.
呃,总之,是的,我的意思是,这些都在售罄。其中一个原因是,你可以像 Moderna 这样的公司,他们在使用人工智能最大化其为客户提供的疗法速度方面做得非常出色。在我看来,你可以在 5090 GPU 上完成他们用人智能做的工作,而不需要那些疯狂的 Vera Rubin CPU。我是说 GPU,不是 CPU。
Uh so anyway, yeah, I mean, these are selling out. One of the reasons these are selling out is because you can take a company like Moderna who's doing fantastic work with using artificial intelligence to maximize their speed to therapies for their clients. You could, in my opinion, do what they're doing with artificial intelligence on a 5090 GPU and you don't need these crazy uh Vera Rubin CPUs. I'm not GPUs GPUs.
我的意思是,我想让你想象一下这个场景,因为我觉得这真的很有用。回到过去,比如在 2022 年,嗯,2022 年,我们就这么说吧,对癌症患者的肿瘤进行测序并选择他们希望疗法针对哪些突变大约需要 60 天。
然后在 60 天内,他们可能会针对这些癌细胞中的一到五个突变。这并不是最理想的。你想针对更多的突变,从而获得更持久的解决方案。
What I mean by that is, and I want you to visualize this because I think it's really useful. Back in the day, it used to take Mona, like back in 2022, uh 2022, let's call it, it would take about 60 days to sequence a cancer patient's tumor and then select which mutations they wanted their therapy to target. And so then in 60 days, they would target maybe one to five mutations in these cancer cancer cells. That was not really ideal. You want to target a lot more mutations so you have a more durable solution.
现在在 2026 年的人工智能时代,或者借助 AI,你实际上可以在几小时内完成这项工作,并且可以针对为癌症患者定制的疗法中多达 32 m 个突变。你甚至可以就在一个 5090 游戏 GPU 上运行它。
问题是,对于 Nvidia 来说,这些游戏 GPU 的利润率低于那些价值 400 万美元的机架。
Now in AI in 2026 or with AI, you could actually do this in hours and you could get to 32 m mutations that you can target in these therapies custom made for a cancer patient. and you could literally run it on a 5090 gaming GPU. The problem is these gaming GPUs are lower margin for Nvidia than the big $4 million racks.
现在,这个 Moderna 的例子之所以让我如此感同身受——我不想听起来像个坏掉的唱片一样重复,但这正是我们在 Reinvest AI 中所做的。那是我们的家庭 AI,当你进入一个县,你说我想要这个地区最好的交易,它会按你能赚多少钱来排序交易。
那是专有 AI。呃,或者是股票 AI,专有 AI。我们不是在制造聊天机器人。我们不关心在那个领域竞争。我们试图在一个实用的 AI 领域竞争。就像 Moderna 一样,他们也不是想给你做一个聊天机器人。
他们想给你提供实用的人工智能。实用的人工智能可以在 5090 上工作,你甚至不需要把它们堆叠在一起。你知道,有一种观点认为,哦,你可以把四个 5090 堆叠在一起协同操作。你甚至不需要那样做,因为你可以用四个 5090 GPU 分别解决四个患者的问题,而不是堆叠四个来解决一个问题。
你可以解决四个问题。重点是,企业 AI 正朝着更小的芯片发展,而不是更大的芯片。
Now, one of the reasons this is so relatable to me, this this Mona example, and I I don't like to sort of sound like a broken record, but that's what we do with our Reinvest AI. It's our, you know, our homes AI where you go into a a county and you're like, I want the best deal in this area and it sorts deals by here's how much money you can make. That's proprietary AI. Uh, or stock AI, proprietary AI. Uh, we're not making chat bots. We don't care to compete in that space. We're trying to compete in a in a practical AI place. Just like Mona, they're not trying to make you a chatbot. They're trying to give you practical artificial intelligence. and they're practically AI could work on 5090s and you don't even need to stack them together. You know, there's this idea that, oh, you could stack four 5090s together and operate them together. You don't even need to do that because you could just do four patients with four 5090 GPUs rather than stacking four together to solve one problem. You can solve four problems. The point of that is enterprise AI is going towards smaller chips, not bigger chips.
我的看法是。我们会看到的。我们看到很多公司都在这么做,而且说实话,很多这类芯片的投资回收期只有一到两年。我们在课程会员直播中计算过其中一些数据。记住,你随时可以在那里获取我们的交易警报。
查看长期投资组合,看看我们如何为下一个十年投资,如何分配资产。但是,呃,周五之前加入 meet.com 上的那个群组。我们在那里有一个大的到期日。但是,呃,你知道,我们在计算一些盈亏平衡期时,发现我们的芯片基本上已经收回成本了。
所以,短投资回收期的想法是有一定合理性的。问题是,这些投资回收期能维持多久?尚未确定,对吧?这是我们正在监控的现货价格。现货价格如何转化为长期合同?我们最终会看到。
My take. We'll see. We're seeing a lot of companies do that and the payback periods are honestly like one to two years on a lot of those chips. We were calculating some of this in uh in our course member live stream. Remember, you can always get our trade alerts over there. See the long-term portfolio, what how we're investing for the next decade, how we're allocating. But, um, join that over at meet.com before Friday. We got a big expiration there. But, uh, you know, we were calculating some of the break even periods and we're like, yeah, you know, our chips have basically already paid for themselves. So, there is some reasonleness to the idea of short payback periods. The question is, how long are those pay payback periods going to last like that? To be determined, right? Those are the spot prices we're monitoring. How do the spot prices turn into long-term contracts? We'll end up seeing.
Moderna 得以将数据内部化。Reinvest 得以将其数据内部化。我们不必把所有数据都发送给实验室。问题是,如果 Nvidia 现在销售更少的前沿芯片和更多的企业芯片,这在潜在的未来对其利润率不利。你会在那里看到压缩。
Mona gets to in-house their own data. Reinvest gets to in-house its own data. We don't have to send it all to the labs. The problem is that's bad for margins for Nvidia potentially in the future if they're now selling fewer of those Frontier chips and more of the enterprise chips. You get compression there.
现在,这些都是人们对 Nvidia 担心的一些问题。我并不真正担心这一点,至少对于下一次财报发布是这样,因为我认为 Nvidia 非常便宜,而且我认为股价已经消化了很多这些因素。
Now, those are some of the issues that people are worried about with Nvidia. I'm not really worried about that just for this next earning set because I think Nvidia is just so cheap and I think the stock has already discounted a lot of that.
再说一次,如果你以 69 的 PEG 进行交易,那是极其便宜的。让我们实际去看看财务数据,这样你就能看到了。所以,这些就是这里的 Nvidia 财务数据。这些是我们拥有的关于 Nvidia 的数字。
截至 8 月 25 日的当前增长预测是,年底他们将产生每股 9 美元的收益,预计增长率分别为 44%、24%、87%,然后是负 22%。所以你确实会在本十年末看到增长曲线的放缓。
这相当于约 33% 的平均增长率,这意味着他们目前的交易 PEG 约为 69,这是非常便宜的。
Again, if you're trading for a 69 peg, it's dirt cheap. Let's actually go look at the financials so you could see it. So, these are the Nvidia financials right here. And these are the numbers we have for Nvidia. The current growth forecast for August 25th are that uh at the end of the year they will generate $9 of earnings per share and their growth rate is expected to be 44 24 87 and then negative 22%. So you do have sort of a a curving out on growth at the end of the decade. That works out to about an average growth rate of about 33%. which uh means they're trading for about a 69 peg right now which is very cheap.
部分原因可能是因为在大约四年后有负增长预测。这可能是因为我们看到前沿芯片变得不那么关键,而推理芯片——就像 OpenAI 与 Broadcom 合作创建的 Jalapeno——接管了市场。这对像 Broadcom 这样的公司是利好的。
Part of that could be because there is negative growth forecast in about four years. That could be as we see Frontier trip uh chips become less critical and the inference chips much like the jalapeno from OpenAI created in partnership with Rodcom taking over. That's bullish for a company like Broadcom.
现在,目前有哪些因素对 Nvidia 真正利好呢?嗯,5000 亿美元的数据中心融资以及 SEC 改变资产支持证券规则。这太疯狂了。好吧,这有点像 2008 年的情况,SEC 说,“嘿,如果你要出售用于数据中心的资产支持证券,你不再需要 5% 的风险自留,因为我们认为这次不同。”
哦,我们还要放宽规则,说你实际上不需要披露这些资产支持证券的组成部分是什么,或者数据中心内部的利用率是多少。对我来说,这听起来像是 2008 年的重演。我不喜欢这样。我个人仍然坚持认为,你知道,除非你看到 Anthropic 出现大幅回调,否则你看不到 2008 年式的顶部。
你知道,我们以这个观点开始了这一部分:Anthropic 预测有 30 万亿美元的潜在收入。我的意思是,这可能是你能想到的最伟大的 TAM(总可寻址市场)推销话术。呃,但不管怎么说。
这些规则短期利好,意味着更多债务,但也意味着更多支出。
Now, what's like what are some things that are really bullish for Nvidia right now? Well, $500 billion of financing for data centers and the SEC changing the assetbacked uh securization rules. That's freaking crazy. Okay, that's like 2008 kind of stuff where the SEC says, "Hey, you no longer need 5% skin in the game if you're going to sell asset back securities for data centers because we think this time is different." Oh, we're also going to loosen the rules and say you don't actually have to disclose what the components of these assetbacked securities are or what the utilization rates are inside these data centers. To me, that sounds like 2008 all over again. I don't like that. I personally still maintain that, you know, you don't really see 2008 style tops until you get uh like Anthropic rollover. You know, we led this segment with this idea that Enthropic is projecting $30 trillion of potential revenue. I mean, that's like the greatest TAM sales pitch you could potentially ever come up with. Uh but whatever. Those rules are short-term bullish, more debt, but also more spending.
这就是其中一个奇怪的讽刺之处。很多人都在讨论:“但是凯文,这些标的的信用违约互换价格正在飙升。这难道不是风险吗?”当然有风险。但这里的讽刺在于,那些因Nvidia信用违约互换价格也在上涨而暴露于Meta、Oracle、Google和Nvidia的对冲基金——即买入Nvidia或Meta和Google并用信用违约互换进行对冲的对冲基金——实际上目前两头都赢了。
And that's where one of the weird ironies comes in. A lot of people are talking about, "But Kevin, credit default swaps are skyrocketing on these plays. Like, isn't that isn't that a risk?" Sure it is. But there's an irony here. Hedge funds who were exposed to Meta, Oracle, Google, Nvidia, because Nvidia credit default swaps are also rising. hedge funds who are buying Nvidia or Meta and Google and then they're hedging with credit default swaps are actually winning on both sides right now.
想想这有多奇怪。通常,如果Nvidia股价上涨,看跌期权合约作为对冲工具会下跌。但这里的情况并非如此。在这种情况下,随着Nvidia上涨,信用违约互换对冲实际上也在上涨。所以,如果你持有Nvidia并持有信用违约互换,Nvidia因为系统中有更多债务进入从而创造更多支出而上涨,Nvidia股价随之上涨,而这些额外的债务又让人们感到紧张。
于是信用违约互换价格上涨,你的对冲也随之上涨,这本来应该是以防Nvidia违约的保险计划,对吧?
Think about how weird that is. Usually, usually a hedge would mean if Nvidia stock goes up, a put contract would go down. But that's not what's happening here as a hedge. In this case, as Nvidia goes up, credit default swap hedges are actually going up. So, if you own Nvidia and you own credit default swaps, Nvidia goes up because there's more debt going into the system creating more spending. Nvidia stock goes up and that extra debt then makes people nervous. So, credit default swaps go up and then your hedge actually goes up, which would be your insurance plan in case Nvidia defaulted, right?
所以,奇怪的是,我们目前处于这样一个阶段:对冲基金可以真正地进行对冲,并且看到他们的对冲头寸和股票同时双双转正。如果Nvidia或Oracle或其他什么下跌,讽刺的是,那些CDS可能仍然会上涨。
所以这有点像最好的对冲。股票下跌,你的对冲上涨。股票因为更多的债务融资而上涨,你的对冲也上涨。这几乎让人只想买入信用违约互换。我是说,也许那并不是个坏主意。显然,那是基于衍生品、基于交易的。这有点不同。
So, weirdly, we're at a place right now where hedge funds can literally hedge and see their hedges and their stocks both go positive together at the same time. Uh, if Nvidia or Oracle or whatever go down, those CDS's, ironically, might still go up. So, it's sort of like the best hedge. The stock goes down, your hedge goes up. The uh stock goes up because of more debt financing, your hedge goes up. It almost makes you just want to buy credit default swaps. I mean, maybe that's not a bad idea. Obviously, that's derivative based, trading based. It's a little different.
但想想其他对Nvidia利好的因素。SpaceX的支出,800亿美元的支出或IPO募集的800亿美元。他们可能会再筹集三到4000亿美元。Nebius手头有80亿美元现金。Google刚刚为资本支出筹集了860亿美元。
Anthropic的IPO即将到来。是的,每个人都想把手伸进饼干罐里分一杯羹,获得这些芯片的一部分。是的,在我看来,我们将看到更多向推理芯片和企业级芯片而非前沿芯片的转变。但到目前为止,考虑到所有这些因素,Nvidia看起来相当便宜得令人难以置信。
But think about the other things that are bullish for Nvidia. SpaceX spending, $80 billion of spending or $80 billion raised on IPO. They're probably going to raise another three to $400 billion. Uh, Nebius has $8 billion of cash on hand. Google had just raised $86 billion for uh for Capex. You've got the Anthropic IPO coming. Yes, everybody wants their hand in the cookie jar to get a piece of these chips. Yes, we're going to see more movement towards inference chips and enterprise chips versus these Frontier chips in my opinion. But so far, Nvidia looks pretty freaking discounted for all of that uh you know in mind.
那么,让我们看看这里的一些更多要点。让我们看看Edgewater的一些研究。这是一系列关于Nvidia和CPU的服务器相关研究。GB200到300原本预计第三季度增长20%到30%。实际增幅约为15%。因此略低于预期。
So, let's look at some more more of these takeaways here. Uh and let's look at a little bit research from a little bit of research from Edgewater. So this is a uh a bunch of server based research uh for Nvidia and uh CPUs. Uh GB200s to 300s had were expected to increase by 20 to 30% in Q3. Those actually ended up getting increased by about 15%. So a bit lower than expected.
服务器CPU交付量预计在2027年增长50%,这真的非常棒。就在这里。Nvidia或Intel的CPU产能已售罄至2027年或延续至2027年。
Server CPU deliveries are expected to rise 50% in uh 2027 which is really fantastic. Uh that's right here. uh Nvidia or Intel CPU capacity is sold out through 2027 or into 2027.
Nvidia或Intel的CPU产能已售罄至2027年或延续至2027年。报告称Blackwell产品仍预计会有价格上涨,但尚未发生。它们刚刚发生了。这份报告是在涨价前几天发布的。
成本增加主要来自内存,因为GPU价格保持不变且Nvidia已确保足够的供应。这确实表明我们预计所有的注意力都会集中在利润率上。你们是否提高了足够多的价格以抵消内存成本的增加?这就是Nvidia财报将受到大量关注的地方。我们将在明天收盘后报道这些内容。
uh Nvidia or Intel CPU capacity is sold out through 2027 or into 2027. It says price increases are still expected on Blackwell products, but they haven't happened yet. They just happened. This was published like days before the price increases. The cost increases are mostly memory as GPU prices are unchanged and Nvidia has secured enough supply. So that does indicate we expect all that attention on margin. Did you guys raise prices enough to offset the memory cost increases? That's where there's going to be a lot of focus on Nvidia earnings. We'll cover those tomorrow after the market close.
成本增加主要来自内存,因为GPU价格保持不变且Nvidia已确保足够的供应。
The cost increases are mostly memory as GPU prices are unchanged and Nvidia has secured enough supply.
这确实表明我们预计所有的注意力都会集中在利润率上。你们是否提高了足够多的价格以抵消内存成本的增加?这就是Nvidia财报将受到大量关注的地方。
So that does indicate we expect all that attention on margin. Did you guys raise prices enough to offset the memory cost increases? That's where there's going to be a lot of focus on Nvidia earnings.
我们将在明天收盘后报道这些内容。关于包装缩小的这个想法。很多人说这只是来自内存的通胀。我个人也认为这是为了在企业AI领域保持价格竞争力。我们提到了这一点。这里有RTX 6000,我刚才在Amazon上展示过,其建议零售价从8,000美元提高到了11,000美元。
所以你在企业级芯片上提高了37%的价格,因为需求正流向那里,这相当令人印象深刻。我同意这一点。
We'll cover those tomorrow after the market close. This uh this idea about package shrinkage. A lot of people talking about how this is just inflation from memory. I personally also think it's just staying competitive with prices for that enterprise AI. We touched on that. We've got um the RTX 6000 right here, which we I just showed on Amazon, has gotten an increase on its MSRP from $8,000 to $11,000. So, you are increasing the prices 37% on enterprise chips because that is where the demand is going, which is pretty impressive. I agree with that.
这里有RTX 6000,我刚才在Amazon上展示过,其建议零售价从8,000美元提高到了11,000美元。所以你在企业级芯片上提高了37%的价格,因为需求正流向那里,这相当令人印象深刻。
We've got um the RTX 6000 right here, which we I just showed on Amazon, has gotten an increase on its MSRP from $8,000 to $11,000. So, you are increasing the prices 37% on enterprise chips because that is where the demand is going, which is pretty impressive.
服务器的渠道需求正在下降,游戏需求也在减弱。游戏和PC交付量。我们看到那里的疲软并不令人惊讶。我觉得有趣的是,Edgewater直白地说,我们不知道客户如何继续获得更多AI服务器的预算,但标准计算服务器正在衰退。
所以我认为当他们说这里服务器的渠道需求开始下降时,他们指的是传统服务器,因为到目前为止AI服务器仍在蓬勃发展。正如他们所说,我们的标准计算客户只有在不得不升级时才升级。那就是典型的云计算,而不是AI计算。
Channel demand for servers is declining and gaming demand is weakening. gaming and PC deliveries. Not a surprise that we're seeing weakness there. I do think it's interesting that Edgewater literally says we don't know how customers continue to get more of a budget for AI servers, but standard compute servers are in decline. So I think when they say here channel demand for servers is starting to decline, I think they're talking about traditional servers because AI servers so far are still booming. uh as they say here standard compute our customers are only upgrading if they have to. So that's your classic cloud compute rather than AI compute.
我觉得有趣的是,Edgewater直白地说,我们不知道客户如何继续获得更多AI服务器的预算,但标准计算服务器正在衰退。
I do think it's interesting that Edgewater literally says we don't know how customers continue to get more of a budget for AI servers, but standard compute servers are in decline.
所以我认为当他们说这里服务器的渠道需求开始下降时,他们指的是传统服务器,因为到目前为止AI服务器仍在蓬勃发展。
So I think when they say here channel demand for servers is starting to decline, I think they're talking about traditional servers because AI servers so far are still booming.
他们提到的另一个观点是,预计DRAM价格在2027年将降温。这也不令人惊讶。我们可能会看到价格上涨。所以二阶导数,增长率在2027年将急剧转为负值,DRAM价格预计仅增长0%到5%,具体取决于你所在的DRAM堆栈。
而在2026年上半年初,你知道,这些都上涨了60%到120%。预计其中大部分将会降温。
Uh the other notes that they make is that they expect DRAM prices to cool in 27. This is also not surprising. We could see price increases. So that second derivative, the growth rate gets sharply negative into 2027 with DRAM prices only expected to grow 0 to 5% in 2027 depending on which stack of DRAM you're in. Whereas at the beginning of the first half of 2026, you know, these were all up 60 to 120%. A lot of that is expected to cool.
Edgewater还认为,Nvidia可能开始在开源权重模型方面感受到一些压力,这就是为什么他们正在介入。你知道,他们花费60亿美元与Poolside合作推出自己的开源权重模型。但他们也可能试图竞争
Edgewater also argues that Nvidia might be starting to feel some pressure on uh openweight models, which is why they're getting in. You know, they're spending $6 billion to get in with poolside to launch their own openweight models. But they're also possibly trying to compete
你知道,他们花费60亿美元与Poolside合作推出自己的开源权重模型。但他们也可能正试图与 DeepSeek 和 Moonshot 等开源权重中国大语言模型竞争,正如他们在此处所提到的。
You know, they're spending $6 billion to get in with poolside to launch their own openweight models. But they're also possibly trying to compete against the Deep Seeks and the Moonshots as they mentioned here, openweight Chinese LLMs.
我提到过,我认为正在发生的是支出节约。所以,如果人们不需要那么多内存,我们为什么要给这些芯片堆满所有内存呢?让我们削减内存,降低这些芯片的入门成本,把这些 GPU 交到用户手中,减少内存占总支出的比例,然后让他们去应用自己的企业级 AI。
And I mention that I think what's happening is there's an economizing of spend going on. So, hey, why are we going to overload these chips with all this memory if people don't need it? Let's cut the memory, cut the entry cost for these chips, get these GPUs into the hands of people, uh, spend less on memory as a proportion of that, and then let them go apply their enterprise uh, AI.
不过,最终的问题是,Vera Rubin 相对于 RTX 6000 的利润率是多少?这可能就是为什么我们看到 RTX 6000 的建议零售价(MSRP)上涨了 37.5%,因为企业正在转向这一方向。
Again, though, the question is ultimately, what is the margin for a Vera Rubin versus an RTX 6000? And that's probably why we just saw the RTX 6000 go up 37 and a half% in MSRP because that's where enterprises are moving to.
这就是关于 Nvidia 的核心信息集。同样,预计他们将像历史上那样全面超预期,但这并不是推动股价的因素。真正推动股价的是我们将听到的关于利润率、前沿芯片部署、以及与低利润率开源权重企业竞争的情况。这些是我们需要关注的危险信号。
that's that's kind of the core set of info for for Nvidia. Uh again, they're expected to beat across the board as they historically have, but that's not what's going to move the stock. What's going to move the stock is what we hear about margins, frontier chip deployment, competition against open weight, lower margin enterprise. Those are the red flags we're going to look for.
我们现在真的关心太空或用于机器人 AI 的 Groot 或机器人芯片吗?其实并不关心。我们认为 Gro 在 SRAM 推理芯片方面肯定会比 Cerebras 更好吗?我们不知道。拭目以待。这还有待观察。
We really going to care right now about space or Groot for the robotics AI or the robotics chips? Not really. Do we think Gro is really going to definitely be better than Cerebrris for an SRAMM inference chip? We don't know. We'll see. Remains to be seen.
所有这些实际上都是次要话题。游戏业务预计将继续下滑,这也是一个次要话题。
All those things are really a sideeshow. Gaming is expected to continue to decline. That's also a sideeshow.
我们还将关注 Nvidia 对其他公司的投资。你不会将其视为资本支出(capex)。它不会显示为资本支出,因为你知道资本支出会显示在这里的固定资产(PPE)中。你实际会在其上方看到它,即非上市证券以及可交易债务和权益证券的购买项下。
Another thing we'll be looking at is Nvidia's investments into other companies. You'll be able to see that not as capex. It doesn't show up as capex because you know capital expenditures will show up here in PPE. Where you'll actually see it is right above that in purchases of non-marketable securities and marketable debt and equity securities.
你可以看到这里约有 260 亿美元的投资支出,这样他们所投资的公司就可以购买更多的 Nvidia 产品。这就是某些循环交易指控的来源。因此,我们也将密切关注这一点。
And you can see this about $26 billion of spend right here in investments so that those companies they're investing in can go buy more Nvidia product. So that's where some of the circular allegations come from. So we'll be watching for that as well.
Broadcom 仍然持平。AMD 仍然徘徊在约 775 美元左右。那里一直相当稳定。Nvidia 这边也有几个百分点的波动,当天表现相当稳定。
Broadcom's still flat. AMD is still sitting at about 775. It's been pretty stable there. A couple percent over here on Nvidia been pretty stable on the day.
Nvidia Rubin Ultra 将配备单颗 92 GB 的 HBM4。相比此前预览的 1 TB HBM 是巨大的降级。甚至低于常规版 Rubin 的 288 GB。它是如何被削减至五分之一的?
Nvidia Ruben Ultra will ship with one uh 92 GB of HBM 4. Huge downgrade from the preview of one terabyte of HBM. Even lower than the regular Reuben, which has 288. How did it get cut to 1/5?
Nvidia 尚未确认这一点。我不认为这真的重要。但我不认为削减内存是大事。我实际上认为这是好事。
Nvidia has not confirmed this. I don't think it really matters. But I don't think it's a big deal that the cutting memory. I actually think it's good.
Elon Musk 和 Nvidia 的 Jensen 基本上讨论了他们认为将在 2027 年底前拥有一款针对太空优化的 Vera Rubin 芯片,准备在 2027 年底发布,并可能在 2028 年进行扩展。
Elon Musk and Nvidia Jensen uh just essentially talked about how they think they'll have a space optimized Veraro Ruben chip by the end of 2027 ready for launch by the end of 27 and probably scaling into 2028.
Nvidia。如果你很难理清这一切,我也一样。但别担心,Kate Rooney 接下来会把它讲清楚。接下来。我现在就想听。我们现在就把它讲清楚。我们已经做了。我们制作了我们的 Nvidia 视频。Nvidia 视频。
Nvidia. If you're having trouble keeping all this straight, so am I. But don't worry, Kate Rooney will make sense of it next. Next. I want to hear it now. We'll make sense of it right now. We already did. We made our We made our Nvidia video. Nvidia video.
交易员们等待明天盘后发布的 Nvidia 数据。
traders await Nvidia's numbers after the bell tomorrow.
最大的瓶颈在于高质量的训练数据,这正是 Nvidia 试图解决的问题。
Largest bottleneck the brain quality training data that's what Nvidia is trying to solve.
从历史上看,我们甚至不会进行这样的讨论,但我认为明天 Nvidia 的财报将取代本周发生的所有其他事情。但他关于报告、利润率、Rubin(注:原文 Reuben 疑为 Rubin 芯片系列误读)以及整个生态系统的言论,我认为对我来说更为重要,因为目前市场更多是在交易 AI 概念,而不是利率。
Historically, we wouldn't even have this debate, but I think that the earnings report tomorrow from Nvidia supersede everything else this everything else that happens this week. But what he says about the report, the margins, the Reuben, and really the whole ecosystem, I think to me that's more important because this market is trading on the AI trade, Scott, more so than it's trading on interest rates at the moment.
我们并非暗示他的言论不会对 Nvidia 产生直接影响,当然会有影响。但考虑到该股在财报发布后通常的交易方式,尤其是在即时反应期间,以及市场其他部分的走势,我觉得潜在受影响的是数百个其他因素,这可能比他的言论本身以及其他因素如何交易、人们如何看待市场从此处开始的轨迹更具分量。
We're not suggesting that, you know, what he says won't have a direct impact on Nvidia, of course it will. But the way that that stock tends to trade around its earnings, you know, in the immediate aftermath and the way that other parts of the market have traded, I just feel like it's the hundreds of other things that are potentially at stake, which carries maybe more weight in terms of what he might say and how those other things trade and then how people view the trajectory of the market from here.
所以我完全同意你的观点,而且我认为本季度比以往任何时候都更是如此。Nvidia 在财报发布后往往缺乏这种热情,原因之一是他们选择较晚发布财报,导致我们从其他公司那里获得了大量的上涨动能和预期,因此你实际上是在思考 Nvidia 将会做什么,因为我们之前已经看到了它太多的表现。
So I totally agree with you and I think this quarter more than ever but one of the reasons that Nvidia tends to not have this enthusiasm post report uh I think is in they're choosing to report so late that we get a lot of the runup a lot of the anticipation from the other companies so that you're you're sort of thinking about what Nvidia is going to do because we've seen so much from it before.
但 Nvidia 在财报发布后往往缺乏这种热情的原因之一,是他们选择较晚发布财报,导致我们从其他公司那里获得了大量的上涨动能和预期,因此你实际上是在思考 Nvidia 将会做什么,因为我们之前已经看到了它太多的表现。
but one of the reasons that Nvidia tends to not have this enthusiasm post report uh I think is in they're choosing to report so late that we get a lot of the runup a lot of the anticipation from the other companies so that you're you're sort of thinking about what Nvidia is going to do because we've seen so much from it before.
是的。在经历了一次非常强劲的反弹之后,该股票正在下跌直至财报公布。在进入今天之前,它已经连续七天下跌。好吧,现在它是绿色的(上涨),但最近看起来并不好。
Yeah. This thing's running down into the print right after this really nice rebound. This been down seven straight days heading into today. Okay, it's green now, but it hasn't looked good lately.
从价格角度来看,我认为你可以在财报公布前买入,但谁知道呢?我们知道明天的隐含波动幅度可能在一两个方向上达到 5% 或 6%。
Well, from a price perspective, I think you can buy it before the print, but who knows? We know the implied move tomorrow is going to probably be five or 6% one way or the other.
但这种集中度风险正是 Nvidia 以当前折扣价交易的原因所在,因为它过度依赖 Anthropic 和 OpenAI。我们真的需要这些吗?
But that's that concentration risk is exactly the concern as to why Nvidia is trading for the discount it's trading for because it's like oh it's so heavily reliant on anthropic and open AI. Do we really need those?
你认为对于 AI 交易而言,Nvidia 面临的风险是什么?正如我们整小时一直在讨论的,这可能不仅仅关乎 Nvidia。可能有数十甚至数百只股票处于平衡之中。
What's on the line do you think for for Nvidia in terms of the AI trade? It may not be just about Nvidia as we've been talking about all hour. It's tens hundreds of stocks that lie in the balance maybe.
我认为人们将 Nvidia 视为某种基准(B)。Nvidia 守住了 2% 的涨幅。这很好。
I think people look to Nvidia as sort of a B. I've got Nvidia's holding on to 2%. That's good.
我们大概可以为 Nvidia 做一个视频。
We could probably do a video on it for Nvidia.
这也可能是你从 Nvidia 那里得到的结果。
It's probably what you're going to get out of Nvidia, too.
他说在等什么
他自己说在等的东西,一段话一条记录。同一件事说过几次就出现几次,我们不合并,也不判断它有没有兑现。
这个频道对 $NVDA 的历次判断
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